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NotAnAlum

Granted its only one exhibition against a bad D-3 team but if things continue on their current course I think Duane will be the starter at PG.  Derrick is still Derrick.  He did drive once or twice but he still is unable to finish even against WL.  Duane puts so much more pressure on the Defense since he is a threat to go by his man and get to the hoop and he can also take and make the 3 if left wide open.  When opponents have to play him honestly it will open things up for everyone else.  Carlino is more of a shoot first guy and I could see him monopolizing the ball particularly if he is trying to shoot himself out of a slump.  Duane and Dawson are similar style players but I think Duane is simply better.
I was a little concerned when Duane airmailed his first shot but his form was good and later in the game he was hitting.
I'll like to see Duane and Carlino as the primary backcourt (Carlino more on his rep as a shooter not specifically on how he played today).  Then one of the big guards, JJ or Sandy, at the 3, the Juan and STJ up front.   Burton instant offense off the bench.  Thoughts?

Untucked

Absolutely!! If Derrick Wilson plays more than 10-12 minutes per game..this team will not improve.
Q: What's the difference between Bo Ryan and God?
A: God doesn't think he's Bo Ryan!!

Wojo'sMojo

Quote from: Untucked on November 08, 2014, 04:31:03 PM
Absolutely!! If Derrick Wilson plays more than 10-12 minutes per game..this team will not improve.

Agreed...I would prefer to have him avg 0-5 mpg, but am hoping Wojo keeps it under 10. It's time to move forward with a new starting PG!

MuMark

We have 9 eligible players and Dawson is #9....anybody who thinks Derrick isn't going to play significant minutes(15-20 at least) is kidding themselves.

Carlino had 12 assists today.....I think Wojo will give them all a chance...should be interesting to see how it plays out.

Duane was much better in the 2nd half today......He didn't have many assists but for the most part he made good decisions with the ball.

WL is so bad it is hard to really know what we have.

Cohen's 3 point shooting stood out to me....we need to make those to have a chance...




Lennys Tap

Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on November 08, 2014, 04:34:50 PM
Agreed...I would prefer to have him avg 0-5 mpg, but am hoping Wojo keeps it under 10. It's time to move forward with a new starting PG!

Wojo (like Buzz) will play Derrick more minutes than you prefer. Given our rosters the past 2 seasons so would Red Auerbach, Phil Jackson and John Wooden. Idiots all - why can't you be our coach?

TheBurrEffect

Derrick is going to start off the season but will quickly be replaced by Duane. Derrick will still see significant defensive minutes.

We should also see some pretty scary 4 guard lineups with Duane, Carlino, Cohen, JJJ, and Burton.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: TheBurrEffect on November 08, 2014, 05:34:53 PM
Derrick is going to start off the season but will quickly be replaced by Duane. Derrick will still see significant defensive minutes.

We should also see some pretty scary 4 guard lineups with Duane, Carlino, Cohen, JJJ, and Burton.

This wouldn't surprise me.

Wojo'sMojo

Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 08, 2014, 05:23:53 PM
Wojo (like Buzz) will play Derrick more minutes than you prefer. Given our rosters the past 2 seasons so would Red Auerbach, Phil Jackson and John Wooden. Idiots all - why can't you be our coach?

I don't think they would and I wouldn't be so sure of that. I still expect him to be the token starter, but as the year progresses, he will get less and less time. I'm actually kind of surprised with all your wisdom, that you aren't the coach of this team...they must have only had you on the search committee  ;)

TAMU, Knower of Ball

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Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on November 08, 2014, 04:34:50 PM
Agreed...I would prefer to have him avg 0-5 mpg, but am hoping Wojo keeps it under 10. It's time to move forward with a new starting PG!

Dude, come on. We have 9 players on our team. You really think Derrick is worthless as a college player? He averaged 13 mpg on an elite 8 team with a full bench.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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Wojo'sMojo

Quote from: The Adventures of HE-Man and the Kangaroo Kid on November 08, 2014, 06:20:16 PM
Dude, come on. We have 9 players on our team. You really think Derrick is worthless as a college player? He averaged 13 mpg on an elite 8 team with a full bench.

Maybe my 0-5mpg comment was out of line. I don't think he is worthless at all. I think he is a good leader and can play valuable defense. I think he can be these things and contribute playing 5-10mpg...but imo, if it's more than that, we are going to be playing really stagnant offense again.

jsglow

Mark it down.  Derrick is the starting Point Guard on this team.  Carlino starts at the #2.  Expect both to see very significant minutes.

dgies9156

Quote from: Untucked on November 08, 2014, 04:31:03 PM
Absolutely!! If Derrick Wilson plays more than 10-12 minutes per game..this team will not improve.

Would you PLEASE, PLEASE give the kid a chance to improve? Let him show his stuff. He he does what we hope he does, he'll be playing.

That's because he earned it and can help us win.


jsglow

Quote from: dgies9156 on November 08, 2014, 06:52:03 PM
Would you PLEASE, PLEASE give the kid a chance to improve? Let him show his stuff. He he does what we hope he does, he'll be playing.

That's because he earned it and can help us win.



+1

NersEllenson

Quote from: jsglow on November 08, 2014, 06:48:26 PM
Mark it down.  Derrick is the starting Point Guard on this team.  Carlino starts at the #2.  Expect both to see very significant minutes.
highly doubt if Derrick hasn't improved significantly over last year, he'll be playing typical starter minutes. He may get token starts being a senior if he's essentially the same player as last year, but...if he hasn't improved he won't be playing more than 15 by conference play. He's the furthest thing from a prototypical starting PG you will see at this level.  Today did nothing to change my opinion. I saw very little penetration on his part, forcing help, creative passing etc. Hell they even said during broadcast in first half Wojo was telling push it and Derrick was walking the ball up as we saw most all of last year.
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

MU82

Derrick's ideal role is as a defensive stopper/change of pace/leader. On a good team, he would get 10-15 mpg. On a great team, he might not play at all (although, as was pointed out, he averaged 13 mpg on our Elite Eight team). On a short-handed, mediocre team, which is exactly what we expected to be, he will get more.

I think it would be a good sign if he averages fewer than 20 mpg, but I will trust Wojo to do what is right as he transitions from this end-of-Buzz-era team to a very bright future beginning in 2015-16.
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bilsu

Wojo has said ther will not be a dsignated point gurd on this team. Any guard on the floor is the point guard when he has the ball.

Dawson Rental

Quote from: TheBurrEffect on November 08, 2014, 05:34:53 PM
Derrick is going to start off the season but will quickly be replaced by Duane. Derrick will still see significant defensive minutes.

We should also see some pretty scary 4 guard lineups with Duane, Carlino, Cohen, JJJ, and Burton.

Why would you call Burton a guard?  Height?  Was Charles Barkley a guard?
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

Quote from: muguru
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

jsglow

Quote from: bilsu on November 08, 2014, 07:10:08 PM
Wojo has said ther will not be a dsignated point gurd on this team. Any guard on the floor is the point guard when he has the ball.

I agree with that.  It seems that both Matt and Derrick will handle the ball when they are both on the court.  I thought Carlino played well despite the fact that his shot didn't drop as well as he'd like.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

I hope Derrick gets 15 minutes or less because that would mean that Duane, Dawson, and/or Matt are playing better than he is
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


forgetful

Quote from: jsglow on November 08, 2014, 07:39:42 PM
I agree with that.  It seems that both Matt and Derrick will handle the ball when they are both on the court.  I thought Carlino played well despite the fact that his shot didn't drop as well as he'd like.

I agree with this.  I thought (overall) that Derrick and Carlino were our two best guards today.  Duane Wilson scored a bunch, but overall didn't think his game looked strong enough for later competition.


Tums Festival

It's funny that some people on this board are making season-long predictions based on today's game. Players and teams evolve during the year, and at best it's a stretch to call the game a baseline because the opponent was so bad. Let's give these guys some time to see what they can be before we start demanding changes.
"Every day ends with a Tums festival!"

NersEllenson

Quote from: forgetful on November 08, 2014, 07:44:00 PM
I agree with this.  I thought (overall) that Derrick and Carlino were our two best guards today.  Duane Wilson scored a bunch, but overall didn't think his game looked strong enough for later competition.


I saw 19 conference games last year of Derricks play not being strong enough...and I've seen 1 game of Duane Wilson playing against the same guys as Derrick did today. I'd say Duane showed himself pretty well and Derrick was about what we'd expect.  They are two entirely different players one is built like a brick shithouse and other not so much. One is much quicker and a better shooter, yet not nearly as strong/physical presence..yet technically only a freshman and much more the future of the program.
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

Johnny B

Quote from: Untucked on November 08, 2014, 04:31:03 PM
Absolutely!! If Derrick Wilson plays more than 10-12 minutes per game..this team will not improve.
True we need Duane or matt out there. Duane looked amazing at times with some killer driving ability.

Johnny B

That spin move finish Duane made in the 2cd is somthing neither Derrick,John, or matt could even think of doing.

Dr. Blackheart

#24
I thought Duane looked like he had his step back in the 2nd with his injury.  He was tentative in the 1st half with this being his first game. Duane and Carlino had 11 steals between them.  Carlino's 8 assists after half time adjustments was impressive as he seemed to take charge with DEWilson sitting.  I thought Matt was chucking too often in the 1st half as the 2G, and was out of rhythm versus when he was the PG in the 2nd.

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