Wondering if anyone else has noticed this

[Galway Eagle]

I know we're constantly told not to put stock in the lineups for the scrimmages but has anyone noticed that in both situations the experience was all on one team. (Juan derrick steve and carlino with a sophomore or two) just wondering if anyone else noticed this and is reading too much into it like myself

[Texas Western]

I know we're constantly told not to put stock in the lineups for the scrimmages but has anyone noticed that in both situations the experience was all on one team. (Juan derrick steve and carlino with a sophomore or two) just wondering if anyone else noticed this and is reading too much into it like myself

I noticed it but don't read much into it. Nominally those are going to be the starters, but I think everyone will play a lot.

[NersEllenson]

I noticed it but don't read much into it. Nominally those are going to be the starters, but I think everyone will play a lot.

Agree.  Think we can expect heavy minutes from Steve, Deonte and Carlino in most games with everyone else competing for minutes.  Can see 6 other guys playing roughly 20 minutes +  with the above 3 playing 25-30.

[Brewtown Andy]

I noticed it but don't read much into it. Nominally those are going to be the starters, but I think everyone will play a lot.

For sure until Fischer's eligible with only nine guys and no height.

[tower912]

I fully anticipate the starters will be Derrick, Carlino, Juan, Steve, and either Deonte or JJJ. 

[Nevada233]

I fully anticipate the starters will be Derrick, Carlino, Juan, Steve, and either Deonte or JJJ. 

I anticipate D. Wilson will play 25-30 mpg of forgettable basketball and we will lose 15-20 games....

[Wojo'sMojo]

I anticipate D. Wilson will play 25-30 mpg of forgettable basketball and we will lose 15-20 games....

If he plays that many minutes I agree 

[tower912]

I anticipate D. Wilson will play 25-30 mpg of forgettable basketball and we will lose 15-20 games....

We agree on the record.  Please specify which D Wilson you mean.   

[esotericmindguy]

I fully anticipate the starters will be Derrick, Carlino, Juan, Steve, and either Deonte or JJJ. 

That is a scary lineup. When you don't have to guard 40% of the court it makes it's pretty easy to defend. Good thing 6 of their first 10 games are against #250 or higher on KenPom's list...4 of those over 300!

[jsglow]

That is a scary lineup. When you don't have to guard 40% of the court it makes it's pretty easy to defend. Good thing 6 of their first 10 games are against #250 or higher on KenPom's list...4 of those over 300!

I'm betting that we'll get better production from Derrick this year.  The young man took 25,000 3s this summer.  He doesn't need to be a huge threat, just a threat.

[NersEllenson]

That is a scary lineup. When you don't have to guard 40% of the court it makes it's pretty easy to defend. Good thing 6 of their first 10 games are against #250 or higher on KenPom's list...4 of those over 300!

Yes, but it is a 40% improvement over last year's starting lineup.

I'm betting that we'll get better production from Derrick this year.  The young man took 25,000 3s this summer.  He doesn't need to be a huge threat, just a threat.

It won't take much AT ALL to get better production out of Derrick this year, as it was anemic last season and in all reality, pretty much impossible to produce less.  All of the shooting will help some, yet generally 25,000 shots in a summer by the time you are a 22 year old and have been playing basketball all of your life - and shot probably close to 250,000+ shots already in your life - likely won't make much* of a difference.  However, if Derrick can get to 30% from 3's and 65% from FT line, he will be a viable player so long as he is also taking and making some perimeter mid range jumpers as well.  He HAS to be good enough to need to be defended all over the court.  We simply cannot see another year of the 5 foot off sagging defense.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Im expecting Juan to have a surprise year this year. He has a chip on his shoulder, contrary to popular belief, things said on this site does get around to the players.

[NersEllenson]

Im expecting Juan to have a surprise year this year. He has a chip on his shoulder, contrary to popular belief, things said on this site does get around to the players.

If that's the case then I can feel proud that I've given Derrick proper motivation.   

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Yes, but it is a 40% improvement over last year's starting lineup.

It won't take much AT ALL to get better production out of Derrick this year, as it was anemic last season and in all reality, pretty much impossible to produce less.  All of the shooting will help some, yet generally 25,000 shots in a summer by the time you are a 22 year old and have been playing basketball all of your life - and shot probably close to 250,000+ shots already in your life - likely won't make much* of a difference.  However, if Derrick can get to 30% from 3's and 65% from FT line, he will be a viable player so long as he is also taking and making some perimeter mid range jumpers as well.  He HAS to be good enough to need to be defended all over the court.  We simply cannot see another year of the 5 foot off sagging defense.

I don't think Cadougan ever hit that mark and he was fine as a PG. Honestly, I think if he can get to the 15-20% range, it will stop the sagging we saw from defenders last season.

[NersEllenson]

I don't think Cadougan ever hit that mark and he was fine as a PG. Honestly, I think if he can get to the 15-20% range, it will stop the sagging we saw from defenders last season.

Believe Junior got to 29% from 3 - which isn't asking a whole lot out of a D-1 PG.  Junior also showed a very effective mid-range game as a senior, hitting a lot of elbow jumpers off of pick and roll action.  I said many times last year, I'd have rather Derrick launched 3's/mid-range even if he only hit 10-20% of them..as teams would at least be more likely to guard him.  Additionally, I didn't and don't believe Derrick as bad of shooter as his 7% 3 point percentage would indicate, yet by the last half of the season, he wouldn't even shoot any unless end of shot clock situations.  Furthermore, it f's with your head when you see a defender disrespecting you by not guarding you within 5 feet - and in many cases it is harder to actually shoot a wide open, uncontested 3, than one coming in rhythm/flow of a game

[MU82]

I'm betting that we'll get better production from Derrick this year.  The young man took 25,000 3s this summer. 

Yeah, but going 0-for-25,000 had to mess with his confidence a little!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Believe Junior got to 29% from 3 - which isn't asking a whole lot out of a D-1 PG.  Junior also showed a very effective mid-range game as a senior, hitting a lot of elbow jumpers off of pick and roll action.  I said many times last year, I'd have rather Derrick launched 3's/mid-range even if he only hit 10-20% of them..as teams would at least be more likely to guard him.  Additionally, I didn't and don't believe Derrick as bad of shooter as his 7% 3 point percentage would indicate, yet by the last half of the season, he wouldn't even shoot any unless end of shot clock situations.  Furthermore, it f's with your head when you see a defender disrespecting you by not guarding you within 5 feet - and in many cases it is harder to actually shoot a wide open, uncontested 3, than one coming in rhythm/flow of a game

Agree with all of this. I was hoping that Derrick would be able to return to his role as a high energy backup this season but it sounds like that won't be the case. Hopefully Wojo has drilled some confidence into the older D Wilson

[tower912]

Im expecting Juan to have a surprise year this year. He has a chip on his shoulder, contrary to popular belief, things said on this site does get around to the players.

He has a chip on his shoulder this year because Davante isn't around to eat it. 

[MU82]

He has a chip on his shoulder this year because Davante isn't around to eat it. 

Were that the case, last year's team shouldn't have lost from Feb. 1 on and Buzz should have done his best coaching job ever.

[Brewtown Andy]

I don't think Cadougan ever hit that mark and he was fine as a PG. Honestly, I think if he can get to the 15-20% range, it will stop the sagging we saw from defenders last season.

It's not about how many he hits, it's about his willingness to shoot it.

[willie warrior]

He has a chip on his shoulder this year because Davante isn't around to eat it. 

Now that, Sir..is funny. Was it chocolate chip, fish and chips, beef or potato ?

[willie warrior]

I don't think Cadougan ever hit that mark and he was fine as a PG. Honestly, I think if he can get to the 15-20% range, it will stop the sagging we saw from defenders last season.

Cadougan was fine as a PG because he could make an occasional outside shot, could push the ball, could drive to the hoop, make some FT's and make threading passes--none of which Derrick has shown he can do in game time.

[milwaukee ex-pat]

I don't think Cadougan ever hit that mark and he was fine as a PG. Honestly, I think if he can get to the 15-20% range, it will stop the sagging we saw from defenders last season.

Cadougan was excellent at penetrating and finishing on drives to the basket not to mention he had great court vision and was a great passer.  The problem with Derrick is/was not just that he was a poor shooter but that he also per my recollection was a terrible finisher and below average for high D1 point guard at penetrating/driving.  Though he is strong with the ball he never seemed to have much court vision and so is/was not a threat as an assist maker.  I love the guy's spirit and his defense is above average but for the life of me its hard to believe he should be on the court for 25-30 minutes which by all accounts is the plan.  Very bummed that reports seem to indicate Dawson is going to play the 2 and even the 3.  The coaches (and Buzz before them) see these guys obviously much more than anyone so they are almost certainly right if there judgment is thats the way to play our personnel but as a fan I am disappointed Dawson or Duane don't seem to be competitive at the 1 spot.  Dawson showed flashes of being a creative passer and Duane on paper is a multi tooled player.  How can they not put the team in a better spot to win than with Derrick at the 1?  I will be thrilled and so happy for him if he excels this year but I guess I hope he starts playing 20 - 25 minutes and then gradually cedes time to a player with more tools (passer, penetrator, shooter, finisher).  The point is so important.  Oh well gotta trust the new staff and see how the team improves.

[Lennys Tap]

It's not about how many he hits, it's about his willingness to shoot it.

What?

[Wojo'sMojo]

Cadougan was excellent at penetrating and finishing on drives to the basket not to mention he had great court vision and was a great passer.  The problem with Derrick is/was not just that he was a poor shooter but that he also per my recollection was a terrible finisher and below average for high D1 point guard at penetrating/driving.  Though he is strong with the ball he never seemed to have much court vision and so is/was not a threat as an assist maker.  I love the guy's spirit and his defense is above average but for the life of me its hard to believe he should be on the court for 25-30 minutes which by all accounts is the plan.  Very bummed that reports seem to indicate Dawson is going to play the 2 and even the 3.  The coaches (and Buzz before them) see these guys obviously much more than anyone so they are almost certainly right if there judgment is thats the way to play our personnel but as a fan I am disappointed Dawson or Duane don't seem to be competitive at the 1 spot.  Dawson showed flashes of being a creative passer and Duane on paper is a multi tooled player.  How can they not put the team in a better spot to win than with Derrick at the 1?  I will be thrilled and so happy for him if he excels this year but I guess I hope he starts playing 20 - 25 minutes and then gradually cedes time to a player with more tools (passer, penetrator, shooter, finisher).  The point is so important.  Oh well gotta trust the new staff and see how the team improves.

Why do people keep assuming that he will be playing 25-30 minutes a game? Even if he is named a starter, which I haven't heard confirmed, he still hopefully will not be playing that many minutes. Anything more than 10 minutes is too much for a player with his skill set.