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New Scout Rankings

Started by JakeBarnes, August 14, 2014, 11:46:01 AM

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JakeBarnes

Stone at 4
Ellenson at 6
Pritzl-47
Heldt-56
Cheatham-80
Bryant crawford-82
NickN-89
Assume what I say should be in teal if it doesn't pass the smell test for you.


MuMark

Who was the poster that complained about Wojo taking Heldt? lol

humanlung

Just posted this on another thread.  You beat me by two minutes!

Sorry if I have missed this elsewhere but Scout now has Matt Heldt as a 4 star recruit.  He's the #15 center in the class and is ranked #56 overall.  

Looks like a nice little bump.

Tugg Speedman

So:

Two top 100 guys verbaled

On two top 10 guys

On three other top 100 guys

Question ... did our recruiting take a dip from Brent to Wojo?

River rat

LittleMurs

"Yes, Matt Heldt.  Don't get me wrong, I am very happy to have Matt, but he's got some rising to do to be a top 100 guy.  Another reason why rankings should be taken with a grain of salt."

Tugg Speedman

Quote from: River rat on August 14, 2014, 12:02:35 PM
LittleMurs

"Yes, Matt Heldt.  Don't get me wrong, I am very happy to have Matt, but he's got some rising to do to be a top 100 guy.  Another reason why rankings should be taken with a grain of salt."

If scout puts a number next to your name less than 100 (56 in this case), isn't that the definition of a "top 100 guy?"


WarriorInNYC

Quote from: River rat on August 14, 2014, 12:02:35 PM
LittleMurs

"Yes, Matt Heldt.  Don't get me wrong, I am very happy to have Matt, but he's got some rising to do to be a top 100 guy.  Another reason why rankings should be taken with a grain of salt."

That quote there sounds like someone knew Heldt was underrated.  Not sure I see what is wrong with it.

KenoshaWarrior

Quote from: MuMark on August 14, 2014, 11:47:17 AM
Who was the poster that complained about Wojo taking Heldt? lol
That was me.   

But a lot you said "rankings mean nothing"  but now it's "Look at his ranking"

g0lden3agle

Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on August 14, 2014, 12:09:22 PM
That was me.   

But a lot you said "rankings mean nothing"  but now it's "Look at his ranking"

We have our cake and eat it too!

Lennys Tap

#9
Excited about Matt's jump, disappointed in Nick's slip, pissed that Pritzl is top 50.

(Think I might be wrong on Nick - higher rankings on 247 and ESPN, but I think he had been 91st on Scout's previous ranking - can someone give context?)

humanlung

Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on August 14, 2014, 12:09:22 PM
That was me.   

But a lot you said "rankings mean nothing"  but now it's "Look at his ranking"

I think people were trying to point out that he was vastly underrated at the time he committed.  Rankings really don't mean anything other than we all get to feel warm and fuzzy about it.

MUfan12

Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 14, 2014, 12:17:02 PM
Excited about Matt's jump, disappointed in Nick's slip, pissed that Pritzl is top 50.

Pritzl is a touch overrated, IMO. There's not that much of a gap between he and Nick.

There's a really good chance that Wojo lands four top 100 players, including a top 10 guy, in his first class. Very impressive.

wadesworld

Wasn't Noskowiak the stand out player in a tournament while playing on the same team as both Heldt and Pritzl recently?

(I understand that rankings are based on more than a 3 game tournament, just pointing out that if Nick took a "dip" in the rankings, he can still hang with those "rising.")

Tums Festival

Quote from: JakeBarnes on August 14, 2014, 11:46:01 AM
Stone at 4
Ellenson at 6
Pritzl-47
Heldt-56
Cheatham-80
Bryant crawford-82
NickN-89


Also Jimmy Whitt at 52.

Here's the link to the list: http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2015
"Every day ends with a Tums festival!"

MuMark

Quote from: wadesworld on August 14, 2014, 12:31:16 PM
Wasn't Noskowiak the stand out player in a tournament while playing on the same team as both Heldt and Pritzl recently?

(I understand that rankings are based on more than a 3 game tournament, just pointing out that if Nick took a "dip" in the rankings, he can still hang with those "rising.")

Yes he was but that wasn't an AAU event so none of the gurus saw him it. It was a round robin all star team tournament from 4 states IIRC

Windyplayer

"Justin Patton, a Creighton commit, and Matt Heldt, a Marquette pledge, were also big movers in the new rankings. Heading into July not much was known about either, but Patton and Heldt both proved worthy of a lofty ranking...Heldt, who also stands 6-foot-10, impressed on offense with hooks shoots and catch and shoot jump shots. Both are promising big men and good early pick ups for their respective schools."

http://scouthoops.scout.com/story/1433954-updated-scout-top-100?

swoopem

Earlier today Mark Miller tweeted that he still thinks Ellenson will become a Warrior and his guess for Stone was UCLA or Wisco. This class is going to be insane.
Bring back FFP!!!

MUchamp22

Scouts rankings are always different than the other recruiting sources. Not that they are a bad indicator of talent, but they are way different than ESPN or 247 rankings. I wouldn't put all your eggs in one basket on this. Wait for ESPN's update, they pay big money to have the best scouts rate these players, so they are more trustwothy rankings IMO.

swoopem

Quote from: draino22 on August 14, 2014, 01:04:56 PM
Scouts rankings are always different than the other recruiting sources. Not that they are a bad indicator of talent, but they are way different than ESPN or 247 rankings. I wouldn't put all your eggs in one basket on this. Wait for ESPN's update, they pay big money to have the best scouts rate these players, so they are more trustwothy rankings IMO.

I actually think 247 has the best. They do their own rankings and then they also do a composite ranking which is the average of all the ranking sites.
Bring back FFP!!!

MUchamp22

Quote from: swoopem on August 14, 2014, 01:07:11 PM
I actually think 247 has the best. They do their own rankings and then they also do a composite ranking which is the average of all the ranking sites.

Agreed the composite is really nice, but I was saying if I had to trust a single source I would go with ESPN

MU Buff

Quote from: swoopem on August 14, 2014, 01:04:17 PM
Earlier today Mark Miller tweeted that he still thinks Ellenson will become a Warrior and his guess for Stone was UCLA or Wisco. This class is going to be insane.

Small correction. Mark Miller tweeted Wisconsin or UCONN for Stone, not UCLA

esotericmindguy

Quote from: CornMeehl on August 14, 2014, 01:24:23 PM
Small correction. Mark Miller tweeted Wisconsin or UCONN for Stone, not UCLA

How does UCONN still get top recruits? Legendary coach is gone, granted they won it after him, but I still don't get it. They're in a terrible conference, Hartford is the worst city I've ever visited and it's not a great academic university. Strange.

Frenns Liquor Depot

#22
Quote from: esotericmindguy on August 14, 2014, 01:41:18 PM
How does UCONN still get top recruits? Legendary coach is gone, granted they won it after him, but I still don't get it. They're in a terrible conference, Hartford is the worst city I've ever visited and it's not a great academic university. Strange.

Kevin Ollie is building a good reputation -- NBA made a run at him.  Lot's of alums in the NBA and they just won a NC.....some would say it is a better situation than we have.

JoeSmith1721

Quote from: esotericmindguy on August 14, 2014, 01:41:18 PM
How does UCONN still get top recruits? Legendary coach is gone, granted they won it after him, but I still don't get it. They're in a terrible conference, Hartford is the worst city I've ever visited and it's not a great academic university. Strange.

Not to be that guy, but isn't UCONN in Storrs?

Lennys Tap

Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on August 14, 2014, 01:46:52 PM
Kevin Ollie is building a good reputation -- NBA made a run at him.  Lot's of alums in the NBA and they just won a NC.....some would say it is a better situation than we have.

Some? I'd say pretty much everyone.