O'Bannon ruling

[muhoosier260]

Surprised this wasn't posted already. Let's see how this plays out. Interesting, considering the recent P5 ruling.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/11328442/judge-rules-ncaa-ed-obannon-antitrust-case

[Tugg Speedman]

The NCAA cannot stop schools or conferences from paying football and Division I men's basketball players money that is generated through the use of their names and images, U.S. District Court Judge Claudia Wilken ruled.

[brandx]

No surprises here. There wasn't much chance for any other outcome.

So, let's see. Is the MCAA ruling about the 5 power conferences going to destroy college sports or is it this ruling?

Or, maybe it is the Messersmith/McNally ruling from 1976 that is going to destroy MLB.

[We R Final Four]

Let's see how this plays out.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/11328442/judge-rules-ncaa-ed-obannon-antitrust-case

This is the mantra of Scoop, no?

[GGGG]

The NCAA cannot stop schools or conferences from paying football and Division I men's basketball players money that is generated through the use of their names and images, U.S. District Court Judge Claudia Wilken ruled.

But they are allowed to put caps on such payments.

Really, this is yet another thing that in the end is just different...not good...not bad.

[forgetful]

Per the actual ruling, they could actually just reduce the value of a scholarship by $5000 and then impose a $5000 maximum cap on the payments.

The athletes would then have no additional benefit from the ruling.

[muhoosier260]

This is the mantra of Scoop, no?

Touche, but if the OP took a real stance, hellfire would be cast upon him (Scoop bylaw 2(a)(ii)).

[Ellenson Guerrero]

Per the actual ruling, they could actually just reduce the value of a scholarship by $5000 and then impose a $5000 maximum cap on the payments.

The athletes would then have no additional benefit from the ruling.

Where did this $5k cap come from?  Did this judge just pull it out of thin air?

[forgetful]

Where did this $5k cap come from?  Did this judge just pull it out of thin air?

Basically yes.  And that on its own is likely sufficient to get this overturned.

The basic argument is that the NCAA was guilty of collusion by not allowing schools to provide compensation.  But as part of the ruling the judge says that the NCAA can cap the maximum amount (which is itself tantamount to collusion), so the ruling itself is internally inconsistent.

[ThatDude]

This ruling sucks for Marquette and the rest of the Big East. The power 5 conference will be able to dish out a whole lot more money to its players than any other conference.

DOWN GOES THE BIG EAST

[Tugg Speedman]

This ruling sucks for Marquette and the rest of the Big East. The power 5 conference will be able to dish out a whole lot more money to its players than any other conference.

DOWN GOES THE BIG EAST

The typical scoop answer .... Some one hears something somewhere changes ... Announced MU is screwed first and then go about figuring out what happened.

[Tugg Speedman]

Aren't we forgetting something ... When players are getting paid everything they get is taxable. So, congrats blue chip recruit. Here your $50,000 for signing bonus with Kentucky and here is your tax bill for all compensation (tuition, room board, extras and $50k cash) which will take $40k of that total.

Chicos is correct, this benefits about a dozen basketball players a year (all of next years lottery picks), is a push for 18 other players (the rest of next years first round picks) and screws 1100 other players (they have to pay tax on their schollies).

The loser is not MU ... The loser is all players not ranked in the top 25 from families that cannot afford the tax bill.

[ThatDude]

Aren't we forgetting something ... When players are getting paid everything they get is taxable. So, congrats blue chip recruit. Here your $50,000 for signing bonus with Kentucky and here is your tax bill for all compensation (tuition, room board, extras and $50k cash) which will take $40k of that total.

Chicos is correct, this benefits about a dozen basketball players a year (all of next years lottery picks), is a push for 18 other players (the rest of next years first round picks) and screws 1100 other players (they have to pay tax on their schollies).

The loser is not MU ... The loser is all players not ranked in the top 25 from families that cannot afford the tax bill.

If true, then Marquette will NEVER get a blue chip recruit.

[Tugg Speedman]

If true, then Marquette will NEVER get a blue chip recruit.

Why?  What makes MU different than any other school?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This ruling sucks for Marquette and the rest of the Big East. The power 5 conference will be able to dish out a whole lot more money to its players than any other conference.

DOWN GOES THE BIG EAST

I read it differently. Given that on average, Big East schools have larger basketball budgets than the power 5 conferences, I think we will do just fine. If we had football, we would be screwed.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm at a volleyball camp right now with my son...run by former gold medalist Pat Powers....they're talking up scholarships and all that stuff.  Talking about all the growing opportunities for sand volleyball and indoor in college, but yesterday's ruling has them worried as some schools that were looking to add may not any longer.  Others may drop.  For some of these people investing 1000's of dollars a year in training, camps, club, etc, the reality was sinking in a bit with the talk this morning.

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

[GGGG]

I'm at a volleyball camp right now with my son...run by former gold medalist Pat Powers....they're talking up scholarships and all that stuff.  Talking about all the growing opportunities for sand volleyball and indoor in college, but yesterday's ruling has them worried as some schools that were looking to add may not any longer.  Others may drop.  For some of these people investing 1000's of dollars a year in training, camps, club, etc, the reality was sinking in a bit with the talk this morning.

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

Put those thousands in a savings account.  You'll have more money that way.  A volleyball club is about as sure an "investment" as a Haitian penny stock.

[Tugg Speedman]

I read it differently. Given that on average, Big East schools have larger basketball budgets than the power 5 conferences, I think we will do just fine. If we had football, we would be screwed.

Who is also screwed is the big time highly paid head coach.  Part of the reason the get huge dollars is their ability to recruit.  Now you can buy the recruit, the coach will not get that premium to be a recruiter.

Advantage MU

[ThatDude]

Why?  What makes MU different than any other school?

What makes MU different? Marquette is not in the power 5. Those power 5 schools has the ability to come together and agree on a cap for the players. What if each of those schools put 1 million dollars in the pot?  

Look at it like running a franchise.  The Yankees are the 45 power 5 schools. The Big East cant keep up without football.

[GGGG]

What makes MU different? Marquette is not in the power 5. Those power 5 schools has the ability to come together and agree on a cap for the players. What if each of those schools put 1 million dollars in the pot? 

Because all of the schools can't afford that.

I think you are lacking an understanding of the basics of this ruling.

[ThatDude]

Because all of the schools can't afford that.

I think you are lacking an understanding of the basics of this ruling.

I definitely understand.

[Tugg Speedman]

What makes MU different? Marquette is not in the power 5. Those power 5 schools has the ability to come together and agree on a cap for the players. What if each of those schools put 1 million dollars in the pot?  

Look at it like running a franchise.  The Yankees are the 45 power 5 schools. The Big East cant keep up without football.

You just made a case for why MU is a big winner ... If the power 5 cap pay to players, the Big East, not a power 5 conference, can choose to not cap or a bigger cap and outbid.

The Big East can wait until the power 5 decide and then write their rules to advantage themselves.

[ThatDude]

Where did this $5k cap come from?  Did this judge just pull it out of thin air?

Its a 5,000 per year MINIMUM

[ThatDude]

The Big East can wait until the power 5 decide and then write their rules to advantage themselves.

Thats true, but lets not forget that football is the breadwinner in the house.  Without football the Big East cant compete financially with the power 5.

But you are right, our one advantage we have at this moment is to wait and react off of the power 5 plans.

[Tugg Speedman]

Thats true, but lets not forget that football is the breadwinner in the house.  Without football the Big East cant compete financially with the power 5.

But you are right, our one advantage we have at this moment is to wait and react off of the power 5 plans.

Football is not going to subsidize basketball, or any other sport, anymore.  Football will be in an arms race with each other.

If anything, the Kentucky's and UNCs of the world might take basketball money to feed the football monster, because football is way more important.