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willie warrior

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 17, 2014, 08:52:24 PM

Since the subject of the thread was obviously coaching, I didn't think that I would have to explain the context of my quote was in regards to his lack of accomplishment as a coach.  I now know that I have to explain things in a little greater detail for you to understand.  I will try harder next time.

And Buzz Williams reportedly turned down an opportunity to interview at UCLA.  If that job would have come open a year later, Buzz may have been coaching there instead of Alford.


Pretty big leap there Sultan: turning down an interview means he had the job? C'mon Sultan, even you can do better than that lame logic. I have conducted thousands of interviews, and none had any presumption on my part that the interviewee would get the job. Has that been your experience? Please wake me up to let me know.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

The Equalizer

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 16, 2014, 07:48:04 PM

Buzz was not "shown the door."

I'm not so sure--paraphrasing, but this seems like a reasonable chain of events:

Buzz:  "I need to approve MU's next AD and President."
MU: "Sorry, that's not happening."
Buzz:  "If you don't let me approve them, I'll walk"
MU:  "There's the door."




GGGG

Quote from: willie warrior on July 18, 2014, 07:29:17 AM
Pretty big leap there Sultan: turning down an interview means he had the job? C'mon Sultan, even you can do better than that lame logic. I have conducted thousands of interviews, and none had any presumption on my part that the interviewee would get the job. Has that been your experience? Please wake me up to let me know.


I said "may have been coaching there instead of Alford"  (emphasis added)

Do you understand the definition of "may?"  

GGGG

Quote from: The Equalizer on July 18, 2014, 07:56:31 AM
I'm not so sure--paraphrasing, but this seems like a reasonable chain of events:

Buzz:  "I need to approve MU's next AD and President."
MU: "Sorry, that's not happening."
Buzz:  "If you don't let me approve them, I'll walk"
MU:  "There's the door."


If by "reasonable" you mean, "completely off base" then yes....

willie warrior

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 20, 2014, 09:45:03 PM

I said "may have been coaching there instead of Alford"  (emphasis added)

Do you understand the definition of "may?"  
Yeah, I understand, but in your world 'may" implies would. But that is OK Sultan, because you can be read like a book. In your world, it is your world view of all the goodness that lies in Buzz's heart and skill set. You have never recognized him for the phony BS'er he is. Instead you justify it with all good coaches have some of that in them, he is a great motivator, and he walks on water.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Can we add the Sultan-Willie Bromance to the 2015 Meme Tournament watchlist?
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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Marquette84

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on July 20, 2014, 09:45:44 PM

If by "reasonable" you mean, "completely off base" then yes....

No, I think I was pretty clear with what I said--which represents a pretty reasonable summary of the situation.

But by all means, if you know something different, please do share. 

GGGG


GGGG

Quote from: Marquette84 on July 21, 2014, 10:35:52 AM
No, I think I was pretty clear with what I said--which represents a pretty reasonable summary of the situation.

But by all means, if you know something different, please do share. 


Buzz didn't want to approve the AD and the President.  Buzz wanted limitations placed on the program by SP and LW to be reversed by Cords.  They weren't.

tower912

Buzz wanted the freshman to not have to live in regular dorms.
Buzz wanted MU's admission policy to be no more restrictive than the NCAA's, less restrictive than what Pilarz and Larry instituted.
Buzz wanted more latitude in getting JUCO's.

Cords said no. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: willie warrior on July 21, 2014, 10:23:47 AM
Yeah, I understand, but in your world 'may" implies would. But that is OK Sultan, because you can be read like a book. In your world, it is your world view of all the goodness that lies in Buzz's heart and skill set. You have never recognized him for the phony BS'er he is. Instead you justify it with all good coaches have some of that in them, he is a great motivator, and he walks on water.

While he was not a good Xs and Os coach (seen by the absurd amount of buzzer beating losses we had) but it's hard to argue that he wasn't a good motivator I mean I think on motivation alone is why he was able to maximize the abilities of less heralded players. 
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: tower912 on July 21, 2014, 11:05:29 AM
Buzz wanted the freshman to not have to live in regular dorms.
Buzz wanted MU's admission policy to be no more restrictive than the NCAA's, less restrictive than what Pilarz and Larry instituted.
Buzz wanted more latitude in getting JUCO's.

Cords said no. 

This is all true. But I think there was a little more to it than that. Buzz and the administration simply no longer liked each other. It seems like it had become very adversarial.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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tower912

Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on July 21, 2014, 01:14:57 PM
While he was not a good Xs and Os coach (seen by the absurd amount of buzzer beating losses we had)

Disagree with this.   The previous 5 years, MU came out ahead in more 1-2 possession games than not.   This past season was an outlier. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

VegasWarrior77

Since this thread is supposed to be about Wojo:

Steve Wojciechowski ‏@steve_wojo  1m
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Galway Eagle

Quote from: tower912 on July 21, 2014, 03:01:21 PM
Disagree with this.   The previous 5 years, MU came out ahead in more 1-2 possession games than not.   This past season was an outlier.  

Maybe I'm forgetting the buzzer beating wins? But my freshman and sophomore years we lost to: Florida state, DePaul, Villanova twice, West Virginia, Washington and Notre dame that year.  We beat SJU and Uconn like that.  My sophomore year I don't remember quite as well but I do know we lost to Vanderbilt and Louisville like that.  
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

willie warrior

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 21, 2014, 10:30:12 AM
Can we add the Sultan-Willie Bromance to the 2015 Meme Tournament watchlist?
No bromance there eagle. He wanted the divorce, I gave it to him and then he started the slamming all over again. He has a huge woody for the smug arrogance he continues to maintain.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: willie warrior on July 26, 2014, 11:40:01 AM
No bromance there eagle. He wanted the divorce, I gave it to him and then he started the slamming all over again. He has a huge woody for the smug arrogance he continues to maintain.

Whatever you want to call it, I think it deserves it's place in Scoop history
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


willie warrior

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 26, 2014, 12:07:26 PM
Whatever you want to call it, I think it deserves it's place in Scoop history
Only if you also include Buzz's analysis of Derricks game: He is an elite defender, and a game changer. Said more than once.

And also the fan's daughter, who he said "knew nothing about basketball",.. "Daddy, why isn't anybody guarding number 12?"
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: willie warrior on July 26, 2014, 01:16:40 PM
Only if you also include Buzz's analysis of Derricks game: He is an elite defender, and a game changer. Said more than once.

And also the fan's daughter, who he said "knew nothing about basketball",.. "Daddy, why isn't anybody guarding number 12?"

I actually do think "game changing defense" also deserves a place in Scoop lore
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


MUDPT

Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on July 21, 2014, 08:44:15 PM
Maybe I'm forgetting the buzzer beating wins? But my freshman and sophomore years we lost to: Florida state, DePaul, Villanova twice, West Virginia, Washington and Notre dame that year.  We beat SJU and Uconn like that.  My sophomore year I don't remember quite as well but I do know we lost to Vanderbilt and Louisville like that.  

We won 3 straight road OT games in 2010.  Judging a coach based off of one possession games is a little off base, because there is a lot of luck when it's that close.  I loved Buzz's ability to be flexible in previous seasons.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: willie warrior on July 26, 2014, 11:40:01 AM
No bromance there eagle. He wanted the divorce, I gave it to him and then he started the slamming all over again. He has a huge woody for the smug arrogance he continues to maintain.

Why does willie always make penis references?
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