Wally Ellenson Transferring to MU and Playing Basketball

[Galway Eagle]

So.... Not to interrupt the whole matter of whether or not race determines basketball talent/intelligence and/or recruiting rankings determine win/loss record, but...

When does Henry plan on making his college decision?  Is it to be this summer or the fall?

How many open scholarships do we have available right now?  1?

I believe two left. 

[avid1010]

Honestly, I had to look it up because I don't care or pay attention to what color a team is.  I don't give a crap, can the players play or not.

But, in looking it up, Duke, a few years ago and they beat Butler, another predominantly white team.  Wisconsin missed playing for it all just a few months ago because Kentucky hit a shot with less than 6 seconds left. 

It seems people are making this assumption based on what you see from skin color, not on ability.  Imagine how many people 15 years ago would say an African American can't win the majority of the time at golf.  It's about ability.  Sports is a the true meritocracy. 

no one (in their right mind) would disagree, but just from a numbers standpoint...supply and demand...the numbers are interesting. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

So.... Not to interrupt the whole matter of whether or not race determines basketball talent/intelligence and/or recruiting rankings determine win/loss record, but...

When does Henry plan on making his college decision?  Is it to be this summer or the fall?

How many open scholarships do we have available right now?  1?

I put a link up a few days ago, he says he will trim his list in the Fall.

[ChicosBailBonds]

no one (in their right mind) would disagree, but just from a numbers standpoint...supply and demand...the numbers are interesting. 

Honestly the only time I've cared is with UW-madison and that is much more about Madison's BS about being progressive and the holier-than-thou pontification, when Madison is one of the most lily-white cities I've ever been too.  So it comes across as funny more than anything as they preach one thing, but look something totally different.

What bothers me with ThatDude's comments is that they are racial in nature, quite frankly.  I'll have to go back into the search function, but I thought it was him or someone else here that was all bent on people here for not wanting Cuonzo Martin as coach and "the card" was played as a result.  The implication that some didn't want him for such reasons.  The great irony, of course, is the people that didn't want Martin were ecstatic to have Shaka Smart as head coach, whom last I checked doesn't look like Red Auerbach.  Yet that didn't stop this person (again, I'll have to check who it was) from playing "that card". 

Fast forward to the last few weeks when some of the recruits landed don't fit their idea of what a basketball player is supposed to look like, there's no problem throwing "the card" around.  Then I read ancillary things here like certain folks can't be racist because they are not in a privileged class and exempt...sorry, but anyone can be racist, intentionally or unintentionally.  I don't think it was necessarily with malice, but the point is that the card is used way too much in society and at times seems to be used by folks that don't even know they are using it in the reverse.

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

[Dawson Rental]

Silly darn decision.  Doesn't he realize that Richard Pitino is an ESPN top 50 coach?

[Silkk the Shaka]

Put the shoe on the other foot for a second. Imagine people here were clamoring for more white players. How would you feel about that? Now look at what you are saying.  Try to make an honest effort to tell us why your opinion isn't hideously racist.

That's precisely what Chicos started doing 4 years ago.

[Tums Festival]

Honestly the only time I've cared is with UW-madison and that is much more about Madison's BS about being progressive and the holier-than-thou pontification, when Madison is one of the most lily-white cities I've ever been too.  So it comes across as funny more than anything as they preach one thing, but look something totally different.

What bothers me with ThatDude's comments is that they are racial in nature, quite frankly.  I'll have to go back into the search function, but I thought it was him or someone else here that was all bent on people here for not wanting Cuonzo Martin as coach and "the card" was played as a result.  The implication that some didn't want him for such reasons.  The great irony, of course, is the people that didn't want Martin were ecstatic to have Shaka Smart as head coach, whom last I checked doesn't look like Red Auerbach.  Yet that didn't stop this person (again, I'll have to check who it was) from playing "that card". 

Fast forward to the last few weeks when some of the recruits landed don't fit their idea of what a basketball player is supposed to look like, there's no problem throwing "the card" around.  Then I read ancillary things here like certain folks can't be racist because they are not in a privileged class and exempt...sorry, but anyone can be racist, intentionally or unintentionally.  I don't think it was necessarily with malice, but the point is that the card is used way too much in society and at times seems to be used by folks that don't even know they are using it in the reverse.

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

It was a different poster, unless he changed his name for the second time.

[Dawson Rental]

Contrary to what you may believe im not pissed I just happen to know basketball and I know that a majority white team doesnt win championships in D1 basketball

No, but they can play in the NCAA championship game in back to back years.

[WarriorFan]

I've always said that the MU coach needs to get:
a) the best player (or two) from Wisconsin each year
b) one of the top 5 from Chicago
c) top 100 from the rest of US/Canada to fill in position needs

... and that this would be a winning combo.

Wojo has locked up the first item... with Cohen, Burton, Fischer, and Duane (and now Ellenson) PLUS Flory and Noskowiak.
Chicago - Taylor / Levin
The rest - we'll see... not a lot of remaining position needs with the group he has recruited!

Nice job Wojo!

[martyconlonontherun]

At the end of the day im a marquette fan and im gonna cheer for my team regardless. I just dont think we'll be relevent with these players that wojo is recruiting.

You are a racist that should be banned immediately. You make generalizations based on race without taking into account skills or character. You are assuming that since wojo is a clean cut white boy from duke that he won't recruit black kids. This is the same coach that convinced all the black players on our team to stay despite many of them planning to leave when buzz was here. He also convinced Cohen to stay with the team. Yes, he made the mistake of signing some highly touted white guys but have you noticed the majority of our outstanding offers are to black kids? What makes you think that this is becoming an all white team?

[Tums Festival]

You are a racist that should be banned immediately. You make generalizations based on race without taking into account skills or character. You are assuming that since wojo is a clean cut white boy from duke that he won't recruit black kids. This is the same coach that convinced all the black players on our team to stay despite many of them planning to leave when buzz was here. He also convinced Cohen to stay with the team. Yes, he made the mistake of signing some highly touted white guys but have you noticed the majority of our outstanding offers are to black kids? What makes you think that this is becoming an all white team?

Amen.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Just read the Rodent board. The thing that irked me the most though was being called a mid major over and over again.

[4everwarriors]

#35 looks 50 years old

That's what PEDs will do to ya, hey?

[chapman]

Guess this means we have the inroads for Henry.  Still don't like the play of two scholarships with one low D1 talent to land one star.  Though it's not like it's an impossible burden to not have 13 top 100 recruits on the roster, so I will deal.

[GGGG]

Guess this means we have the inroads for Henry.  Still don't like the play of two scholarships with one low D1 talent to land one star.  Though it's not like it's an impossible burden to not have 13 top 100 recruits on the roster, so I will deal.

Wally is better than his stats show from Minnesota.

[MuMark]

Just read the Rodent board. The thing that irked me the most though was being called a mid major over and over again.

The clueless will often post stupid things.

 The argument must be that any school without a football team is a mid major.....even though MU has better facilities, spends more on hoops, has better attendance and has had more success in mens basketball then most schools with high major football programs.

I mean the argument is so dumb it is hardly worth responding to......

"we lost a recruit.....Man I hate those mid major scumbags at Marquette!"  Well done....very impressive.....

They just can't stand the idea that every kid in this state doesn't grow up wanting to go to UW.......it really is sad....

[MuMark]

Wally is better than his stats show from Minnesota.

I guess we are going to find out...but even if he isn't lots of recruits don't work out.....kind of like the NFL/NBA draft.....

[Lennys Tap]

Wally is better than his stats show from Minnesota.

He's played 110 total minutes in 2 years. He'll have to be better to make a contribution.

[chapman]

Wally is better than his stats show from Minnesota.

If he can produce a Dan Fitzgerald-level of impact as a transfer-in that will be enough to satisfy me.

[Tums Festival]

They just can't stand the idea that every kid in this state doesn't grow up wanting to go to UW.......it really is sad....

That's Vadger arrogance for ya.

[madtownwarrior]

are there really any bigger turd fans in basketball than badger fans?

- Mocking the Heldt commit - really?    Where did Kaminsky come from?   How was he rated in high school?   Well, I guess they would know the downside with Anderson, Markhoff and Gavinski

- Trashing parents of MU players - real class...

- The inferiority complex from being a good program just since 2000 really trips them up.   

Have some class Bucky fans...

The clueless will often post stupid things.

 The argument must be that any school without a football team is a mid major.....even though MU has better facilities, spends more on hoops, has better attendance and has had more success in mens basketball then most schools with high major football programs.

I mean the argument is so dumb it is hardly worth responding to......

"we lost a recruit.....Man I hate those mid major scumbags at Marquette!"  Well done....very impressive.....

They just can't stand the idea that every kid in this state doesn't grow up wanting to go to UW.......it really is sad....

[keefe]

Have some class

Physician heal thyself!

[madtownwarrior]

I would respond better to a haiku or large format images of Israeli military women included in the message  (forgive me for typing this from my large unsustainable house)....

Physician heal thyself!

[77ncaachamps]

And Maymon, though less of a steal than Vander.  And Burton.  And Wilson. 
No idea how high the bad-gers were on them.

Funny how MU lands the non-white players.

I don't care if we land the aliens from Space Jam, as long as we win the damn championship!!!

[ChicosBailBonds]

Just read the Rodent board. The thing that irked me the most though was being called a mid major over and over again.

Well, most of them would know....keep in mind that half of them went to UW Waukesha, Osh Kosh, Marathon County or Stout.

It must irk them that they are losing recruits to a mid major.