Big Ten to start offering 4 year scholarships football and hoops

[ChicosBailBonds]

LOL. The Michigan "team" was responsible for all the money generated by the sale of Chris Webber's jersey. Not Chris. Bullshyte, pal, er, comrade.

Chris Webber had a jersey with his name on the back?  LOL.  Show me.  Michigan jerseys sell today, Chris Webber has been gone for 20 years.   They're still buying because of Chris? 

People watch the games, most importantly the tournament (where the money is) because of the competition, not because of what individual star player is out there.  Each year the kids leave, each year people watch.  People watch whether it is Butler or Duke or Kentucky or Marquette or Florida Gulf Coast College.  They watch, the competition.


No such thing as a true free market, yet you keep bringing that up.  The real world where I live, things are supported by money makers all the time.  There are loss leaders in business with millions of examples, you of all people should know this.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Why?  The only Marquette sport I really care about is men's basketball.  You have women's basketball for Title IX and all is good. 

Doesn't matter what YOU care about, sort of like Redskins.   Try to keep up.

[ChicosBailBonds]

its called bundling, oh wait this isn't about cable tv....

You shouldn't buy MU men's basketball tickets then, since the proceeds go to soccer, tennis, golf, track, etc.  Sultan is wasting his money supporting teams he doesn't care about.

[GGGG]

Doesn't matter what YOU care about, sort of like Redskins.   Try to keep up.

Fails.  Logic.  Again.

I expressed my opinion...you challenged my opinion...I responded.

[Lennys Tap]

No such thing as a true free market, yet you keep bringing that up.  The real world where I live, things are supported by money makers all the time. 

Fine, then in the future please refrain from complaining about your tax dollars supporting people and causes who don't/can't support themselves. Smile and ask "What more can I do to help?".

[ChicosBailBonds]

The real world

Texas A&M made a TOTAL of $59K on Jerseys sold last year....ALL JERSEYS, not just those with Manziel's number on them...ALL of them.  Not just football jerseys either, that's ALL including baseball, basketball, cycling, etc.

1.53% total licensing revenue came from jersey sales.

Damn those schools are making hand over fist money on jerseys from Chris Webber and Manziel, keeping them on the plantation.    Begs the question, if either didn't play college ball, would they be selling any jerseys at all.


So of the $59K in jerseys sold by the hottest player in all of college sports who won the Heisman trophy, how many were SOLELY due to him?  Let's say 65% of all the jerseys sold were football, the rest are baseball, basketball, soccer, etc, etc.  Now, of the football jerseys sold, how many were of Manziel's number?  Next question, how many would have bought that jersey anyway, whether Manziel was playing or not?  In other words, people buy the QB's jersey because he's the QB?   The article does a nice job of splitting out the numbers.  Each student athlete at A&M gets $44.18.  At other schools, less than $12.00.  At a place like Marquette, probably $5.00. The dollars are higher if you don't split it among all the athletes, but hey...is Manziel as good without his Offensive Linemen?  So on and so forth.

Brilliant idea fellas.

The real world   http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/80530/manziel-jerseys-hardly-making-am-rich

[WI inferiority Complexes]

nm

[WI inferiority Complexes]

Chris Webber had a jersey with his name on the back?  LOL.  Show me.  

[ChicosBailBonds]

Fine, then in the future please refrain from complaining about your tax dollars supporting people and causes who don't/can't support themselves. Smile and ask "What more can I do to help?".

There are ethical and religious reasons for some of my objections to how tax dollars are spent.  I help plenty, through charitable donations and pay more taxes than most...I'm giving plenty.

For those that can't support themselves, I'm happy to help.  For those that CHOOSE not to support themselves, no thanks.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Well done....and Ed Martin paid him $288K while he played for Michigan.  Poor poor Chris Webber.  He needs a timeout, but he's out of them.

Show me a Webber jersey in the bookstore with Webber's name on the back.  Some people bought that jersey because it was Webber, some because they like the number 4, some because it said Michigan on the front and for no other reason, some because it was the first one on the rack of jerseys.  Problem is, you get some numbnuts that believe a jersey is sold 100% because of that player and what he is doing. Nothing with the school attachment, not because they want a Michigan jersey that says Michigan, but solely because of that player.   

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The real world

Texas A&M made a TOTAL of $59K on Jerseys sold last year....ALL JERSEYS, not just those with Manziel's number on them...ALL of them.  Not just football jerseys either, that's ALL including baseball, basketball, cycling, etc.

1.53% total licensing revenue came from jersey sales.

Damn those schools are making hand over fist money on jerseys from Chris Webber and Manziel, keeping them on the plantation.    Begs the question, if either didn't play college ball, would they be selling any jerseys at all.


So of the $59K in jerseys sold by the hottest player in all of college sports who won the Heisman trophy, how many were SOLELY due to him?  Let's say 65% of all the jerseys sold were football, the rest are baseball, basketball, soccer, etc, etc.  Now, of the football jerseys sold, how many were of Manziel's number?  Next question, how many would have bought that jersey anyway, whether Manziel was playing or not?  In other words, people buy the QB's jersey because he's the QB?   The article does a nice job of splitting out the numbers.  Each student athlete at A&M gets $44.18.  At other schools, less than $12.00.  At a place like Marquette, probably $5.00. The dollars are higher if you don't split it among all the athletes, but hey...is Manziel as good without his Offensive Linemen?  So on and so forth.

Brilliant idea fellas.

The real world   http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/80530/manziel-jerseys-hardly-making-am-rich

I know this isn't the point but I can guarantee you that that the actual number is much closer to 95% than 65%. Aggies don't give a flying f**K about anything other than football.

[mattyv1908]

This is a quality topic being championed by a couple of the more dogmatic scoopers, both of who typically add more than they subtract to the topic at hand.

I personally feel you guys are both right and wrong for various reasons.

Sultan-

I understand you really only care about Marquette men's basketball (as do I).  There's nothing wrong with that.  What happens to all the other student athletes whose college tuition is either fully or partially covered via athletic scholarships for sports that technically cost money?  Imagine your son/daughter/niece/nephew as a standout athlete in any sport (hockey, gymnastics, golf, tennis, lacrosse, etc.) in highschool unable to land an athletic scholarship due to these long standing collegiate athletic programs folding up under the new college athletic landscape.  This hurts the majority of student athletes and their families both academically and economically.

Chicos-

Why are the rules applied to student athletes so draconian compared to regular students in the first place?  I've long held the position that if 15 years ago when I graduated high school you gave me the option of earning $40-80k/year between the age of 18-22 and smartly leveraging that income through aggressive investing or hitting the workforce at age 23 with $100-200k in student loan debt I'd choose the former over the latter any day.  Why is a student athlete any different when it comes to leveraging his talents into income?  Are you equally opposed to a student seeking an engineering degree maintaining employment while in school regardless of the amount?

The ironic thing taking place is that I would be willing to bet almost to a poster that there's unanimous agreement that the realignment over the almighty football dollars has been bad for NCAAB and Marquette and yet there's so much division in regards to what may have even bigger ramifications for the university and basketball program we're all big time fans of.

This is a complex issue developing and whichever way it goes will have bigger reach and scope than what it's intended to rectify.  People's opinions shouldn't necessarily be written off on this topic simply for tone, inflection or personal history.

[GGGG]

Sultan-

I understand you really only care about Marquette men's basketball (as do I).  There's nothing wrong with that.  What happens to all the other student athletes whose college tuition is either fully or partially covered via athletic scholarships for sports that technically cost money?  Imagine your son/daughter/niece/nephew as a standout athlete in any sport (hockey, gymnastics, golf, tennis, lacrosse, etc.) in highschool unable to land an athletic scholarship due to these long standing collegiate athletic programs folding up under the new college athletic landscape.  This hurts the majority of student athletes and their families both academically and economically.

Honestly, my response is "get an academic scholarship."  Afterall that is the main reason colleges and universities are in existence.   

[muwarrior69]

They will likely transition it to an institutional academic scholarship...as with the case as though who leave early for the pros. 

Would that be at the schools discretion or would it be in writing when the player signs his LOI?

[🏀]

I had a Michigan Webber jersey and a Kentucky Mashburn jersey.

[GGGG]

Would that be at the schools discretion or would it be in writing when the player signs his LOI?

Probably in writing but I honestly don't know.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos-

Why are the rules applied to student athletes so draconian compared to regular students in the first place?  I've long held the position that if 15 years ago when I graduated high school you gave me the option of earning $40-80k/year between the age of 18-22 and smartly leveraging that income through aggressive investing or hitting the workforce at age 23 with $100-200k in student loan debt I'd choose the former over the latter any day.  Why is a student athlete any different when it comes to leveraging his talents into income?  Are you equally opposed to a student seeking an engineering degree maintaining employment while in school regardless of the amount?

The ironic thing taking place is that I would be willing to bet almost to a poster that there's unanimous agreement that the realignment over the almighty football dollars has been bad for NCAAB and Marquette and yet there's so much division in regards to what may have even bigger ramifications for the university and basketball program we're all big time fans of.

This is a complex issue developing and whichever way it goes will have bigger reach and scope than what it's intended to rectify.  People's opinions shouldn't necessarily be written off on this topic simply for tone, inflection or personal history.

First, it is a complex issue...we agree.

Second, some of these kids especially in basketball and football, could not even be admitted to many of the colleges they play for if it weren't for their athletic talents.  As such, they are earning something that can carry them far into life because of additional earning power, connections with alumni, etc.  For those lucky enough to make it to show, their talents are on display often because of the school's program, conference, and associated media coverage.  So they are given essentially a free resume builder every time they play, a free chance to interview and show what they got.

The reality is in your example, people aren't going to offer you $40K to $80K between the ages of 18 to 22 because companies want to see your ability to get through school, prove yourself that you can make the jump from adolescence to adulthood.  You are more of a known quantity after college with a degree than you are as a high school kid at 18.  So since that isn't happening for most people, why is it any different that it isn't happening to student athletes either?  I'm not opposed to a student athlete working while going to school, they are allowed to do that today.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I had a Michigan Webber jersey and a Kentucky Mashburn jersey.

Not sold by the universities.  Not allowed.  You can buy knock offs from Ebay, collectible agencies, game worn, or have Webber put on the back yourself, but a regular Joe can't go to a university book store and purchase a jersey with name and number on the back.  Number, yes.  Name, no.

The NCAA has never allowed names to be on the backs of jerseys through collegiate licensing apparel program.

[Tugg Speedman]

Chicos to say this too had nothing to do with the union vote at NU in 3,2,1 ....



IU guarantees lifetime degrees
Josh Moyer [ARCHIVE]

ESPN.com | June 27, 2014

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=11146296

Indiana University announced its own student-athlete bill of rights on Friday, a 10-point document that outlines new and current reforms, such as a lifetime degree guarantee and the use of the career placement center after graduation.

Some of the points echo a joint statement issued by Big Ten officials earlier this week. But Indiana athletic director Fred Glass told ESPN.com that this bill has been in the making for weeks. Any overlap -- such as the four-year scholarship commitment -- is coincidental, and points made in the bill are effective immediately.

"The pendulum needs to swing back to provide more for the student-athletes," Glass said.

The central figure of the bill is a lifetime degree guarantee, which allows former student-athletes to finish their degrees if they left school early, so long as they were eligible for two seasons. Comprehensive medical examinations that were once freely available to only incoming scholarship athletes are now also open to walk-ons, and every student-athlete will receive an iPad and a blazer.

The reforms come in the wake of the Ed O'Bannon trial, which questions the NCAA's amateurism model. Improvements and changes are in the forefront of the minds of many school presidents and athletic directors, and Glass believed such a bill was a long time coming.

The origins for this bill, Glass said, can be traced back to a conversation he had with the parents of a volleyball recruit who didn't seem to understand the benefits of the student-athlete. Once he began answering questions -- such as "Will you take away her scholarship if she gets injured?" and "Will we have to pay if she comes down with mono?" (the answers were no and no) -- he realized something needed to change.

"It underscored to me that, in intercollegiate athletics, it was kind of lost as to what the benefits actually were," Glass said. "So we wanted to address the benefits we did provide and the benefits we wanted to provide."

Although all the reforms are effective immediately, student-athletes will start receiving the iPads in August and the blazers sometime thereafter. The bill is also retroactive so an Indiana baseball player in the 1970s can begin to finish up his degree or use the career placement facility immediately, as long as he meets the requirements.

"We're making a lifelong commitment," Glass added.

[tower912]

Coincidence. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Funny how Tower and Berg ignore that 75% of the Big Ten has offered 4 year scholarships since 2012.......


NU vote 2014......


Coincidence

[ChicosBailBonds]

Most importantly, what MU going to do about it? Buzz and Crean didn't want this when at MU, and the school voted against it.

What do they go moving foward?   


Berg....this just in, you talked about the NU Union vote and bolded the Ed O'bannon trial.  LOL.  Which is it?  The O'Bannon trial has more to do with this than the NU vote which, you lost despite predicting a win.   Considering who the judge is for the O'Bannon trial, they will win.  Then it will be appealed, but ignore what was going on years prior all you wish.

Now, what is MU going to do?

[Tugg Speedman]

Most importantly, what MU going to do about it? Buzz and Crean didn't want this when at MU, and the school voted against it.

What do they go moving foward?   


Berg....this just in, you talked about the NU Union vote and bolded the Ed O'bannon trial.  LOL.  Which is it?  The O'Bannon trial has more to do with this than the NU vote which, you lost despite predicting a win.   Considering who the judge is for the O'Bannon trial, they will win.  Then it will be appealed, but ignore what was going on years prior all you wish.

Now, what is MU going to do?

The players voted against it and the power five conferences are caving and giving them everything they want.  Some loss.

MU will follow along and offer 4 years schollies.

[StillAWarrior]

IU guarantees lifetime degrees...

Here is a link to the actual "bill of rights" that Indiana adopted.  Interesting that the four-year commitment covers all "head count" sports, not just football and men's basketball.  On the lifetime degree guarantee, it'll be interesting to see if Indiana (and other schools) will apply this to kids who want degrees that frequently take more than four years even in the best of circumstances (e.g., Physical Therapy).  At some schools, these types of degrees can be extremely difficult for athletes to pursue because of time commitments from the sports.  

[ChicosBailBonds]

Most importantly, what MU going to do about it? Buzz and Crean didn't want this when at MU, and the school voted against it.

What do they go moving foward?  


Berg....this just in, you talked about the NU Union vote and bolded the Ed O'bannon trial.  LOL.  Which is it?  The O'Bannon trial has more to do with this than the NU vote which, you lost despite predicting a win.   Considering who the judge is for the O'Bannon trial, they will win.  Then it will be appealed, but ignore what was going on years prior all you wish.

Now, what is MU going to do?

As predicted, judge ruled in favor of plaintiffs, which was easy to see considering who she was...this will go to the 9th circuit circus....now comes the appeal.  The 9th Circuit Circus is the most liberal court in the land, and the most highly overturned court by the US Supreme Court so I expect this one goes all the way to SCOTUS eventually.