Bennie Seltzer Dismissed by Samford

[Nukem2]

He hasn't done much of anything.  Horizon League coach of the year isn't anything.

It is something. Unfortunately, GB did not win the conference tourney (with that prized NCAA bid) despite being the heavy favorite playing on its home court.  For mid-major coaches, they need to get to the NCAAs and NIT to get noticed and rewarded.  Obviously, Brad Stevens and Thad Matta and John Groce  (for examples) succeeded in that regard.  For many mid-major coaches, they just toil in obscurity unless they get those magic bids as Darrin Horn did at WKU before getting the job at So. Carolina  But, that also "proves" that getting to the high majors may not be a panacea for future success.

[keefe]

Don Sicko

C'mon. You made this name up. Is he related to Jimmy Pervert or Harry Frottage?

[GGGG]

It means you were judged by your peers to be the best coach in that league that year.  Don't be that guy.  He is young, he earned the highest distinction an individual coach can receive in his league.

And really?  *You* are going to tell *me* not to be "that guy?"  F*ck you.  You are "that guy" more than anyone else in this place.

Conference coach of the year is not meaningless, but it isn't much more.  It just means he won the regular season.  And he did so after three mediocre years.  Let's see what happens moving forward.

[willie warrior]

I am sure the word is out on what a joy it is to study at the feet of The Master

Keefe;

Sultan heard the word several years ago about the joy of being at the feet of the previous MU master, the Buzzster. Plenty of worshlurping has gone on there.

[4everwarriors]

Crean sucks

[keefe]

Crean sucks

C'mon Doc, share the wealth. We need stories from Tanned Tommy Taming the Tees! This I have got to hear!

[The Lens]

The most successful period post Al...aka the Buzz Williams era... Is 100% bc of TC.

Tommy gave us Buzz.  His tree is an evergreen.  He's like the Bill Walsh of the NCAA.  Of course Bill Walsh didn't leave such squirmy coaches behind.  Bill Walsh had class and would  never employ such squirmy coaches.  

[ChicosBailBonds]

It is something. Unfortunately, GB did not win the conference tourney (with that prized NCAA bid) despite being the heavy favorite playing on its home court.  For mid-major coaches, they need to get to the NCAAs and NIT to get noticed and rewarded.  Obviously, Brad Stevens and Thad Matta and John Groce  (for examples) succeeded in that regard.  For many mid-major coaches, they just toil in obscurity unless they get those magic bids as Darrin Horn did at WKU before getting the job at So. Carolina  But, that also "proves" that getting to the high majors may not be a panacea for future success.

His team had some key injuries down the stretch, or I think they win the Horizon Tournament.  He did a nice job coaching this years, especially in light of the allegations so fresh against him and whether they would be able to recover and put together a good season.  Kudos to him.

[77ncaachamps]

C'mon. You made this name up. Is he related to Jimmy Pervert or Harry Frottage?

http://statsheet.com/mcb/coaches/don-sicko

[4everwarriors]

C'mon Doc, share the wealth. We need stories from Tanned Tommy Taming the Tees! This I have got to hear!

Got so bad he quit tryin' to play in celebrity/charity events. Suffice it to say he makes Barkley look like Tiger.

[GGGG]

That's the coaching business, they come and go.  And no, those are not all facts you just stated....you have no idea what influence he had, that is an opinion.

Actually I do have a fairly good idea about how much influence TC had on BW.  Not much.

[bilsu]

I like Wardle, but major success depends upon recruiting. I am not sure he can recruit well enough.  Was he smart or lucky in getting Brown and Sykes who were virtually overlooked by the big boys?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Actually I do have a fairly good idea about how much influence TC had on BW.  Not much.

Fairly good idea...."sounds like fact"   

[ChicosBailBonds]

That award has some big names attached to it (Pete Gillen, Barry Collier, Skip Prosser, Thad Matta, Bruce Pearl) but also now unknowns (Joe Sexson, Don Sicko, Dick Acres).

The difference between Wardle and Stevens is that Brad, in his ONLY five years at the Butler helm - and D1 head coaching at that, went
NCAA 2nd Rd
NCAA 1st Rd
NCAA Runner-Up
NCAA Runner-Up again
NCAA 3rd Rd

Wardle's first four years?
7th Horizon
7th Horizon
T-3rd Horizon
NIT 1st Round

World's difference. In fact, you could say Wardle should have an advantage as a former D1 player. But for whatever reason, Stevens's ability to judge talent, secure it, coach it, and get results was 1000x more effective.

One, your data is wrong.  Stevens was the head coach at Butler 6 years, not 5.  He went to the CBI tournament his 5th year, not the NCAA tournament.


Point is, why the cheap shot on Wardle for winning the highest honor his league has?  What's he supposed to do, try to win the COY for the Big Ten while coaching in the Horizon?  He won the award, no cheap shot necessary.

Why would Wardle have an advantage as a former D1 player?  Plenty of very good coaches never played the game ever in their life.  

It also matters what a coach inherits.  Stevens took over a team that went to the Sweet 16 the year prior that earned the then Butler head coach the National Coach of the Year award.  Preceding him, was another guy named Thad Matta.  At any rate, in his (Stevens) first two years got them to the NCAA with one win in those two years.   Butler hoops, just a smidge more history, talent, etc than UWGB.

Wardle took over a team that last went to the NCAAs in 1996...when Wardle was a junior at Hinsdale High.

[keefe]

Wardle was a junior at Hinsdale High.

A buddy of mine from my Viper days is a UAL Captain and lives in Hinsdale. From what I could tell of his neighborhood it wasn't really the Projects.

[ChicosBailBonds]

And really?  *You* are going to tell *me* not to be "that guy?"  F*ck you.  You are "that guy" more than anyone else in this place.

Conference coach of the year is not meaningless, but it isn't much more.  It just means he won the regular season.  And he did so after three mediocre years.  Let's see what happens moving forward.

Aww, struck a nerve.  I think there is no better argument than the "but he does it too".  It's like Godwin's law.

Don't be that guy, from "that guy"....     See, I would know and I'd hate for you to be like me.

By the way, for the sake of the children, please just type out unnatural carnal knowledge you because it comes back as unnatural carnal knowledge and we all know what it means.  Taking it that extra step, it's just bad taste. 

[GGGG]

Aww, struck a nerve.  I think there is no better argument than the "but he does it too".  It's like Godwin's law.

Actually I didn't make that argument numbnuts.  I made the *opposite* of that argument.

But logic has never been one of your strong suits.

[Lennys Tap]

But logic has never been one of your strong suits.

Yeah, the logic elevator doesn't stop on Chico's floor.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Yeah, the logic elevator doesn't stop on Chico's floor.

Sure it does....just like when you don't like voting results your logic muscle kicks in and you have to explain that the results must not be right because they don't agree with yours.  Now that's logic for you.  LOL

[ChicosBailBonds]

Actually I didn't make that argument numbnuts.  I made the *opposite* of that argument.

But logic has never been one of your strong suits.

No, you said:

"And really?  *You* are going to tell *me* not to be "that guy?"  F*ck you.  You are "that guy" more than anyone else in this place."

Translation, you are going to tell me how to act when you do it all the time.  F you, I'll do as I damn please and you are the last person to tell.  If it is good for you, it is good for me.

SMOOCH.  Hugs.  Kisses.

[Dawson Rental]

No, you said:

"And really?  *You* are going to tell *me* not to be "that guy?"  F*ck you.  You are "that guy" more than anyone else in this place."

Translation, you are going to tell me how to act when you do it all the time.  F you, I'll do as I damn please and you are the last person to tell.  If it is good for you, it is good for me.

SMOOCH.  Hugs.  Kisses.

Does MUScoop have a sexual harassment policy?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Does MUScoop have a sexual harassment policy?

I believe just a harassment policy.  Though, Sultan did ask me to go unnatural carnal knowledge myself in the last 24 hours.

[GGGG]

No, you said:

"And really?  *You* are going to tell *me* not to be "that guy?"  F*ck you.  You are "that guy" more than anyone else in this place."

Translation, you are going to tell me how to act when you do it all the time.  F you, I'll do as I damn please and you are the last person to tell.  If it is good for you, it is good for me.

SMOOCH.  Hugs.  Kisses.

Of course you left out the part where you said "don't be that guy first."  But again...logic isn't your strong suit.

[leever]

I believe just a harassment policy.  Though, Sultan did ask me to go unnatural carnal knowledge myself in the last 24 hours.

Please check your facts on this!  (To protect the children as you asked, I will substitute the word 'aardvark' for the 'f-word'.  unnatural carnal knowledge is just so cumbersome )

I don't think Sultan requested that you aardvark yourself.  He merely said "Aardvark you".  Not sure who was supposed to do the aardvark-ing.  Just hurling an expletive.  Not really a call for self aardvark-ing.

[Lennys Tap]

Of course you left out the part where you said "don't be that guy first."  But again...logic isn't your strong suit.

He consistent. Not logical, but consistent.