Bennie Seltzer Dismissed by Samford

[keefe]

Exceptionally high player turnover

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24466354/hirings-and-firings-2014-college-basketball-coaching-changes

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I don't see the Crean coaching tree going too many places...

[keefe]

I don't see the Crean coaching tree going too many places...

A lot of crash and burns

[The Lens]

One of TC's assisants went on to make 2 sweet 16's and an Elite 8. Plus a Big East title. 

I always give credit to TC for giving us Buzz.

#squirmy

[4everwarriors]

Exceptionally high player turnover

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24466354/hirings-and-firings-2014-college-basketball-coaching-changes

Learned from the master.

[Nukem2]

One of TC's assisants went on to make 2 sweet 16's and an Elite 8. Plus a Big East title. 

I always give credit to TC for giving us Buzz.

#squirmy

Agree with TC hiring Buzz, but Buzz only worked for TC for 8 months.  Hardly counts as being part of the "TC tree".

[ChicosBailBonds]

Brian Wardle
Tod Kowalcyzk
Buzz Williams
Darrin Horn
Bennie Seltzer

Seltzer is the only DI coach from the "tree" with a losing record, not surprisingly when you have take on a program like Samford.

[Nukem2]

Brian Wardle
Tod Kowalcyzk
Buzz Williams
Darrin Horn
Bennie Seltzer

Seltzer is the only DI coach from the "tree" with a losing record, not surprisingly when you have take on a program like Samford.

Horn did well at Western Kentucky, but was fired at South Carolina after going 60-63.  His future as a high major HC is not bright...?  Wardle & Kowalczyk are sort of stuck at a mid-major level for the forseeable future.  Seltzer had an unenviable task.  As noted above, Buzz only worked for TC 8 months.  The TC tree is not growing either.  No knock on TC, just what it is.

[HutchwasClutch]

Brian Wardle
Tod Kowalcyzk
Buzz Williams
Darrin Horn
Bennie Seltzer

Seltzer is the only DI coach from the "tree" with a losing record, not surprisingly when you have take on a program like Samford.

Tim Buckley should be on the list.  Very modest success early on at Ball State as I recall, but ultimately let go, and back to Crean he went.

I will say this about Buckley, he has 1000x more class than Crean, he was the one looking horrified and disillusioned at Crean's "You wrecked the program" rant following their Big Ten title on Michigan's home court.

Probably a good guy, but not head coaching material. 

[keefe]

The TC tree is not growing either. 

I am sure the word is out on what a joy it is to study at the feet of The Master

[HutchwasClutch]

Tim Buckley should be on the list.  Very modest success early on at Ball State as I recall, but ultimately let go, and back to Crean he went.

I will say this about Buckley, he has 1000x more class than Crean, he was the one looking horrified and disillusioned at Crean's "You wrecked the program" rant following their Big Ten title on Michigan's home court.

Probably a good guy, but not head coaching material. 

Actually had an overall and conference winning record at Ball State.  Although three of his last four years there were losing seasons, with the only winning one a 15-13 mark.  What saved his tenure there was a 23-12 overall and NIT quarters second season.  Otherwise, mediocre to below average overall for him.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Horn did well at Western Kentucky, but was fired at South Carolina after going 60-63.  His future as a high major HC is not bright...?  Wardle & Kowalczyk are sort of stuck at a mid-major level for the forseeable future.  Seltzer had an unenviable task.  As noted above, Buzz only worked for TC 8 months.  The TC tree is not growing either.  No knock on TC, just what it is.

It just seemed as though the list was a little short of all the facts, not surprising around here.

We'll see what happens of Wardle and TK.  Both have done well at their schools.  TK took over a horrible situation at Toledo (4-28) and in his 4th year (this past season) had them 27-7.  Wardle had a very nice year.  I would hardly paint either one as forever mid major level at this point. 

Horn was up for a gig, and turned it down.  He's having fun with his $2.4M buyout right now, and then will get back into it.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Tim Buckley should be on the list.  Very modest success early on at Ball State as I recall, but ultimately let go, and back to Crean he went.

I will say this about Buckley, he has 1000x more class than Crean, he was the one looking horrified and disillusioned at Crean's "You wrecked the program" rant following their Big Ten title on Michigan's home court.

Probably a good guy, but not head coaching material. 

Having worked with both, I will definitely confirm that comment.  When my dad died suddenly I was working in the department.  Upon my return from California from the funeral, Tim Buckley stopped by and must have spoken to me for about an hour.  I didn't know Tim very well at the time, but he shared his life experience of losing both parents at a young age.  After that, we share a few more deep conversations that showed me what kind of person he was.

That being said, he does stay with TC which also leads me to believe that sometimes we don't always know everything about a person...that includes TC or TB or anyone else. 

[keefe]

he does stay with TC which also leads me to believe that sometimes we don't always know everything about a person...

Sure we do. Bob Cratchit put up with "a squeezing, wrenching, grasping, scraping, clutching, covetous, old sinner" for years. Fortunately, Ebenezer Scrooge was transformed through the intercession of Jacob Marley. Tanned Tommy, on the other hand, receives his moral and humanitarian guidance from the Harbaughs - one of America's most perversely self-entitled clans.

We know enough about The Bronzed Beast to recognize him for the sh1t bag he truly is. Buckley eats Crean's corn and peanuts because for better or for worse The Shameless Shamster is his meal ticket. If you are still in touch with Buckley the least you could do is to get him a bib, finger bowl, and after dinner mint to take some of the messiness out of his daily diet of Tanned Turds.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Agree with TC hiring Buzz, but Buzz only worked for TC for 8 months.  Hardly counts as being part of the "TC tree".

Oh come now, don't you know Buzz turned Wes Matthews from afterthought into a NBA player in just 8 months.  Or that Buzz had a losing record as a head coach until he was under the sage advice of TC?

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I brought this up during our coaching search, but I wonder if Wardle doesn't regret taking that UWGB job rather than moving up program-wise as an assistant. I've got to imagine Marquette is his dream job and, in my mind, his resume is superior to Wojo's. Don't get me wrong, I am happy with the Wojo hire and he's been a real breath of fresh air. I did not want Wardle hired, yet I have to ask myself, why that was the case. Wardle has been a high major assistant and now a D1 head coach, whereas Wojo has only been an assistant.

Is there a preferred path these days?

[Nukem2]

Oh come now, don't you know Buzz turned Wes Matthews from afterthought into a NBA player in just 8 months.  Or that Buzz had a losing record as a head coach until he was under the sage advice of TC?

I think it was Dale Layer that helped Wes refine his game (no teal necessary for this observation )....

[GGGG]

It just seemed as though the list was a little short of all the facts, not surprising around here.

So of the five you mentioned, two are unemployed, two are at mid-majors and haven't been to the tournament, and one worked for him for one season and Crean had little influence on his development.

Those are the facts.  Not exactly stellar.  

[GGGG]

I brought this up during our coaching search, but I wonder if Wardle doesn't regret taking that UWGB job rather than moving up program-wise as an assistant. I've got to imagine Marquette is his dream job and, in my mind, his resume is superior to Wojo's. Don't get me wrong, I am happy with the Wojo hire and he's been a real breath of fresh air. I did not want Wardle hired, yet I have to ask myself, why that was the case. Wardle has been a high major assistant and now a D1 head coach, whereas Wojo has only been an assistant.

Is there a preferred path these days?

The problem with being at a mid-major is that you have to do something significant to get noticed.  Wardle hasn't done much of anything yet. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

So of the five you mentioned, two are unemployed, two are at mid-majors and haven't been to the tournament, and one worked for him for one season and Crean had little influence on his development.

Those are the facts.  Not exactly stellar.  

That's the coaching business, they come and go.  And no, those are not all facts you just stated....you have no idea what influence he had, that is an opinion.

You are right, not exactly stellar, not bad either.  All of them with winning DI coaching records except one. 

What is factual, TK and BW both got to a tournament this year at those mid majors while TC and Buzz didn't.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The problem with being at a mid-major is that you have to do something significant to get noticed.  Wardle hasn't done much of anything yet. 

Horizon League Coach of the Year this year.  He's only been a head coach for four years. 

[GGGG]

Horizon League Coach of the Year this year.  He's only been a head coach for four years. 

He hasn't done much of anything.  Horizon League coach of the year isn't anything.

[ChicosBailBonds]

He hasn't done much of anything.  Horizon League coach of the year isn't anything.

It means you were judged by your peers to be the best coach in that league that year.  Don't be that guy.  He is young, he earned the highest distinction an individual coach can receive in his league.

Brad Stevens won that award not long ago. 

[77ncaachamps]

It means you were judged by your peers to be the best coach in that league that year.  Don't be that guy.  He is young, he earned the highest distinction an individual coach can receive in his league.

Brad Stevens won that award not long ago. 

That award has some big names attached to it (Pete Gillen, Barry Collier, Skip Prosser, Thad Matta, Bruce Pearl) but also now unknowns (Joe Sexson, Don Sicko, Dick Acres).

The difference between Wardle and Stevens is that Brad, in his ONLY five years at the Butler helm - and D1 head coaching at that, went
NCAA 2nd Rd
NCAA 1st Rd
NCAA Runner-Up
NCAA Runner-Up again
NCAA 3rd Rd

Wardle's first four years?
7th Horizon
7th Horizon
T-3rd Horizon
NIT 1st Round

World's difference. In fact, you could say Wardle should have an advantage as a former D1 player. But for whatever reason, Stevens's ability to judge talent, secure it, coach it, and get results was 1000x more effective.

[keefe]

The problem with being at a mid-major is that you have to do something significant to get noticed.  Wardle hasn't done much of anything yet. 

That's bull. Wardle had The Soiled Player Incident.