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Re: Jabari Parker leaning toward staying, If so, Duke Oversigned by 1
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2014, 11:48:19 AM »
And Duke could sign Myles Turner as well too!

They did an interview with Turner at the McD's All American last night.  The kid is extremely well spoken and already sounds like a man.  

Seems to me that he's quite intelligent.  They said that he won't make a decision on where he goes until he sees how the landscape in college bball plays out after the final four.  After the nba draft appropriate people have made their decisions, he's expected to choose a place.  To me, it sounds like he wants to play for a national title and play boku minutes.  I doubt Wojo would pluck him.  My guess is that he shoots over to Kansas, Kentucky, or UNC.... maybe Duke.   Those seem like the best possibilities based on the criteria given.  He's a Texas native... so SMU and Texas are outside chances.  Va Tech isn't as Buzz doesn't like big men that are more articulate than he is.  

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Re: Jabari Parker leaning toward staying, If so, Duke Oversigned by 1
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2014, 11:49:46 AM »
except the Wear twins that transferred from UNC to UCLA

They did not transferred because they sucked and did not play.  They transferred like Larry Drew, because they hated Roy and UNC.

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Re: Jabari Parker leaning toward staying, If so, Duke Oversigned by 1
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2014, 11:58:39 AM »
I'll say it.

If Jabari stays in school, he is a fool.

I guess Tim Duncan and Grant Hill were fools, too.

People need to do what makes them happy as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. Maybe Jabari Parker actually loves being a Duke student, wants to improve his game even more and wants a crack at a national title, all the while knowing that the money will be there for him a year (or 2) from now.

Sounds really foolish.
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Re: Jabari Parker leaning toward staying, If so, Duke Oversigned by 1
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2014, 12:02:37 PM »
I guess Tim Duncan and Grant Hill were fools, too.

People need to do what makes them happy as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. Maybe Jabari Parker actually loves being a Duke student, wants to improve his game even more and wants a crack at a national title, all the while knowing that the money will be there for him a year (or 2) from now.

Sounds really foolish.

Perhaps Jabari is intelligent enough to know that his defense is atrocious even at the college level.  Smart move by him if he stays.  I think losing to Mercer really got under his skin, which makes me like him even more.  This kid wants to win..... badly. 

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Re: Jabari Parker leaning toward staying, If so, Duke Oversigned by 1
« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2014, 12:04:45 PM »
I guess Tim Duncan and Grant Hill were fools, too.

People need to do what makes them happy as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. Maybe Jabari Parker actually loves being a Duke student, wants to improve his game even more and wants a crack at a national title, all the while knowing that the money will be there for him a year (or 2) from now.

Sounds really foolish.

Lol  Collective bargaining rules were different.  Rookie contracts are set in stone by the NBA.  Skipping out on getting drafted these days costs a player a lot of money.  The sooner you get out of your rookie contract the more money you will make.  Why risk injury and having your draft stock fall?

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Re: Jabari Parker leaning toward staying, If so, Duke Oversigned by 1
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2014, 12:05:03 PM »
I guess Tim Duncan and Grant Hill were fools, too.

People need to do what makes them happy as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. Maybe Jabari Parker actually loves being a Duke student, wants to improve his game even more and wants a crack at a national title, all the while knowing that the money will be there for him a year (or 2) from now.

Sounds really foolish.

He should, of course, do what he thinks is best for him.
That said, there's certainly no guarantee the money will be there for him in a year or two. An injury, production below expectations, etc., all could cost him.

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Re: Jabari Parker leaning toward staying, If so, Duke Oversigned by 1
« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2014, 12:06:16 PM »
Sounds like Shayok is gone for sure.

Shayok and Peirce are gone

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Re: Jabari Parker leaning toward staying, If so, Duke Oversigned by 1
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2014, 12:07:25 PM »
Otherwise, WoJo could just adopt some recruit, hey?
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Re: Jabari Parker leaning toward staying, If so, Duke Oversigned by 1
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2014, 12:08:57 PM »
Otherwise, WoJo could judge adopt some recruit, hey?

Straight out of the Woody Allen playbook eh?

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Re: Jabari Parker leaning toward staying, If so, Duke Oversigned by 1
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2014, 12:13:07 PM »
Lol  Collective bargaining rules were different.  Rookie contracts are set in stone by the NBA.  Skipping out on getting drafted these days costs a player a lot of money.  The sooner you get out of your rookie contract the more money you will make.  Why risk injury and having your draft stock fall?


His pay is fixed and known for the first four years.  The sooner you get started with the rookie contract the sooner this contract ends and you can sign your second contract as a free-agent for multiples of this.

Staying another year at Duke means he is one more year from his second contract and it could cost him $10 to $15 million.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/aliciajessop/2012/06/28/the-structure-of-nba-rookie-contracts/

The initial term of an NBA rookie contract is two years.  However, teams may exercise an option to re-sign a rookie for a third season.  This option may be exercised after the completion of the player’s first season until the following October 31.  Additionally, if a team exercises its option to keep the player for his third season, it may also exercise an option to keep the player for his fourth season.  This option is exercisable from the last day of the player’s second season through the following October 31.

In terms of rookie contracts, there is not much for agents to negotiate for their clients in the way of salaries.  Rather, the NBA works under a rookie salary scale.  Thus, the amount of salary a player receives under the rookie contract depends upon where he was drafted.  The following shows the rookie wage scale for players drafted in the 2012 NBA Draft:


Pick   2012-13 Season   2013-14 Season   2014-15 Season    
1    $4,286,900.00     $4,479,800.00     $4,672,700.00
2    $3,835,600.00    $4,008,200.00    $4,180,800.00
3    $3,444,400.00    $3,599,400.00    $3,754,400.00
4    $3,105,500.00    $3,245,200.00    $3,385,000.00
5    $2,812,200.00    $2,938,700.00    $3,065,300.00
6    $2,554,200.00    $2,669,100.00    $2,784,100.00
7    $2,331,700.00    $2,436,600.00    $2,541,600.00
8    $2,136,100.00    $2,232,200.00    $2,328,300.00
9    $1,963,600.00    $2,052,000.00    $2,140,300.00
10    $1,865,300.00    $1,949,200.00    $2,033,200.00
11    $1,772,100.00    $1,851,800.00    $1,931,600.00
12    $1,683,500.00    $1,759,300.00    $1,835,000.00
13    $1,599,300.00    $1,671,300.00    $1,743,200.00
14    $1,519,400.00    $1,587,800.00    $1,656,100.00
15    $1,443,300.00    $1,508,200.00    $1,573,200.00
16    $1,371,200.00    $1,432,900.00    $1,494,600.00
17    $1,302,600.00    $1,361,200.00    $1,419,800.00
18    $1,237,500.00    $1,293,200.00    $1,348,900.00
19    $1,181,800.00    $1,235,000.00    $1,288,200.00
20    $1,134,500.00    $1,185,600.00    $1,236,600.00
21    $1,089,100.00    $1,138,100.00    $1,187,100.00
22    $1,045,600.00    $1,092,700.00    $1,139,700.00
23    $1,003,800.00    $1,049,000.00    $1,094,100.00
24    $963,600.00    $1,007,000.00    $1,050,300.00
25    $925,100.00    $966,700.00    $1,008,400.00
26    $894,400.00    $934,600.00    $974,900.00
27    $868,600.00    $907,700.00    $946,800.00
28    $863,300.00    $902,100.00    $941,000.00
29    $857,000.00    $895,600.00    $934,100.00
30    $850,800.00    $889,100.00    $927,400.00
« Last Edit: April 03, 2014, 12:17:28 PM by Heisenberg »

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Re: Jabari Parker leaning toward staying, If so, Duke Oversigned by 1
« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2014, 12:15:01 PM »

His pay is fixed and known for the first three years.  The sooner so get started with the rookie contract the sooner this contract ends and you can sign your second contract as a free-agent for multiples of this.

Staying another year at Duke means he is one more year from his second contract and it could cost him $10 to $15 million.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/aliciajessop/2012/06/28/the-structure-of-nba-rookie-contracts/

The initial term of an NBA rookie contract is two years.  However, teams may exercise an option to re-sign a rookie for a third season.  This option may be exercised after the completion of the player’s first season until the following October 31.  Additionally, if a team exercises its option to keep the player for his third season, it may also exercise an option to keep the player for his fourth season.  This option is exercisable from the last day of the player’s second season through the following October 31.

In terms of rookie contracts, there is not much for agents to negotiate for their clients in the way of salaries.  Rather, the NBA works under a rookie salary scale.  Thus, the amount of salary a player receives under the rookie contract depends upon where he was drafted.  The following shows the rookie wage scale for players drafted in the 2012 NBA Draft:


Pick   2012-13 Season   2013-14 Season   2014-15 Season    
1    $4,286,900.00     $4,479,800.00     $4,672,700.00
2    $3,835,600.00    $4,008,200.00    $4,180,800.00
3    $3,444,400.00    $3,599,400.00    $3,754,400.00
4    $3,105,500.00    $3,245,200.00    $3,385,000.00
5    $2,812,200.00    $2,938,700.00    $3,065,300.00
6    $2,554,200.00    $2,669,100.00    $2,784,100.00
7    $2,331,700.00    $2,436,600.00    $2,541,600.00
8    $2,136,100.00    $2,232,200.00    $2,328,300.00
9    $1,963,600.00    $2,052,000.00    $2,140,300.00
10    $1,865,300.00    $1,949,200.00    $2,033,200.00
11    $1,772,100.00    $1,851,800.00    $1,931,600.00
12    $1,683,500.00    $1,759,300.00    $1,835,000.00
13    $1,599,300.00    $1,671,300.00    $1,743,200.00
14    $1,519,400.00    $1,587,800.00    $1,656,100.00
15    $1,443,300.00    $1,508,200.00    $1,573,200.00
16    $1,371,200.00    $1,432,900.00    $1,494,600.00
17    $1,302,600.00    $1,361,200.00    $1,419,800.00
18    $1,237,500.00    $1,293,200.00    $1,348,900.00
19    $1,181,800.00    $1,235,000.00    $1,288,200.00
20    $1,134,500.00    $1,185,600.00    $1,236,600.00
21    $1,089,100.00    $1,138,100.00    $1,187,100.00
22    $1,045,600.00    $1,092,700.00    $1,139,700.00
23    $1,003,800.00    $1,049,000.00    $1,094,100.00
24    $963,600.00    $1,007,000.00    $1,050,300.00
25    $925,100.00    $966,700.00    $1,008,400.00
26    $894,400.00    $934,600.00    $974,900.00
27    $868,600.00    $907,700.00    $946,800.00
28    $863,300.00    $902,100.00    $941,000.00
29    $857,000.00    $895,600.00    $934,100.00
30    $850,800.00    $889,100.00    $927,400.00


Boom.  Exactly.

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Re: Jabari Parker leaning toward staying, If so, Duke Oversigned by 1
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2014, 12:21:46 PM »
Boom.  Exactly.

Why in the world would you need to hire an agent for the first 3 years then?  It's as if you're being taxed an extra 3% and not getting much, if any value in return. 

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Re: Jabari Parker leaning toward staying, If so, Duke Oversigned by 1
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2014, 12:22:35 PM »
Why in the world would you need to hire an agent for the first 3 years then?  It's as if you're being taxed an extra 3% and not getting much, if any value in return. 

No one accused most of these guys of being rocket surgeons.   ;D

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« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2014, 12:27:49 PM »
Why in the world would you need to hire an agent for the first 3 years then?  It's as if you're being taxed an extra 3% and not getting much, if any value in return. 

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Re: Jabari Parker leaning toward staying, If so, Duke Oversigned by 1
« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2014, 12:33:47 PM »
Endorsements
Tax/Estate planning
Investing
Access to good criminal attorneys

So not only does the agent get his 3%, but he probably gets a kickback from the tax/estate planner who also is going to pinch a few percentage points from the player.  5% is already gone off the top, at least.  Most players don't get endorsements and if they do, they generally aren't worth much.  The big name players, yes, I can see what an agent would do for them.  For a player like, Nate Wolters, on the Bucks.... it seems like a waste of money. 

Access to good criminal attorneys - are you saying a lot of NBA players are criminals? 

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Re: Jabari Parker leaning toward staying, If so, Duke Oversigned by 1
« Reply #40 on: April 03, 2014, 12:52:10 PM »
Perhaps Jabari is intelligent enough to know that his defense is atrocious even at the college level.  Smart move by him if he stays.  I think losing to Mercer really got under his skin, which makes me like him even more.  This kid wants to win..... badly. 

I won't call him dumb or any idiot, but I don't understand why people think the best way to improve is to have another year with the same coaches playing inferior opponents. College coaches are usually better recruiters than coaches. Why not practice against the best in the world under the world's best coaches?

I can see not wanting to leave without a championship, though.

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« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2014, 01:15:07 PM »
I won't call him dumb or any idiot, but I don't understand why people think the best way to improve is to have another year with the same coaches playing inferior opponents. College coaches are usually better recruiters than coaches. Why not practice against the best in the world under the world's best coaches?

I can see not wanting to leave without a championship, though.

Coach K is one of the best teachers in the world.  Not to mention, the NBA game isn't as friendly to younger folks.  The NBA is much more individualistic where players do their own thing during downtime.  There isn't that same sense of family as there is in college.  They may go to bars/clubs, etc while Jabari isn't even old enough for that.  The coach doesn't have as much interaction, concerning the player's personal life.  In college, the coach is essentially a dad, whereas in the NBA it's like an Uncle.  Coach K can give Parker much more attention than any NBA coach. 

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Re: Jabari Parker leaning toward staying, If so, Duke Oversigned by 1
« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2014, 01:26:37 PM »
Why in the world would you need to hire an agent for the first 3 years then?  It's as if you're being taxed an extra 3% and not getting much, if any value in return. 

Representation for endorsements, legal advice, (hopefully) protecting/investing their money, managing the athlete's image....
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« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2014, 01:35:43 PM »
Lol  Collective bargaining rules were different.  Rookie contracts are set in stone by the NBA.  Skipping out on getting drafted these days costs a player a lot of money.  The sooner you get out of your rookie contract the more money you will make.  Why risk injury and having your draft stock fall?

Ummm ... because he likes being at Duke and staying would make him happy?

Look, I agree with all of the practical, logical, reasonable things you say. Logically (and financially), he should go. I would draft him No. 1, ahead of Wiggins.

But being happy (or being in love or being content, etc) defies logic. He should do what he wants to do and doesn't deserve to be called a fool for doing it.
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« Reply #44 on: April 03, 2014, 01:36:07 PM »
Coach K is one of the best teachers in the world.  Not to mention, the NBA game isn't as friendly to younger folks.  The NBA is much more individualistic where players do their own thing during downtime.  There isn't that same sense of family as there is in college.  They may go to bars/clubs, etc while Jabari isn't even old enough for that.  The coach doesn't have as much interaction, concerning the player's personal life.  In college, the coach is essentially a dad, whereas in the NBA it's like an Uncle.  Coach K can give Parker much more attention than any NBA coach. 
Are you saying to grow as a person or a player? You specifically said he needs to improve on the defensive end. He will do that better in the NBA going against the top players in the world. College also plays more zone defenses, where as he really needs to improve on man-to-man

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Re: Jabari Parker leaning toward staying, If so, Duke Oversigned by 1
« Reply #45 on: April 03, 2014, 01:44:18 PM »
Straight out of the Woody Allen playbook eh?

I see you're new here.

That's straight out of the Equalizer's playbook.

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« Reply #46 on: April 03, 2014, 01:55:20 PM »
I see you're new here.

That's straight out of the Equalizer's playbook.

Equalizer?  Could you be any more vague? 

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Re: Jabari Parker leaning toward staying, If so, Duke Oversigned by 1
« Reply #47 on: April 03, 2014, 02:01:09 PM »
They did an interview with Turner at the McD's All American last night.  The kid is extremely well spoken and already sounds like a man.  

Seems to me that he's quite intelligent.  They said that he won't make a decision on where he goes until he sees how the landscape in college bball plays out after the final four.  After the nba draft appropriate people have made their decisions, he's expected to choose a place.  To me, it sounds like he wants to play for a national title and play boku minutes.  I doubt Wojo would pluck him.  My guess is that he shoots over to Kansas, Kentucky, or UNC.... maybe Duke.   Those seem like the best possibilities based on the criteria given.  He's a Texas native... so SMU and Texas are outside chances.  Va Tech isn't as Buzz doesn't like big men that are more articulate than he is.  

I meant Turner to Duke.

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Re: Jabari Parker leaning toward staying, If so, Duke Oversigned by 1
« Reply #48 on: April 03, 2014, 02:12:02 PM »
I'll say it.

If Jabari stays in school, he is a fool.

Respectfully disagree. He will mature, and grow as a player at Duke. IMO, good enough to play in the NBA right now (obviously) but to be a star? Won't another year under Coach K help that?.... That, plus the chance to not lose in the first second round of the NCAAs?

Eh. Maybe I am the fool.


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« Reply #49 on: April 03, 2014, 02:56:43 PM »
Money talks.

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