[PaintTouches]Steve Taylor reveals truths about knee, playing time

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

A real cop out for the rudeness--"The manner of how these opinions were expressed". Now we have gotten to: I don't like the way you said that so you are an idiot. But you do have that right. When people start basing those things  on "manner in which it is expressed" which is totally subjective, that creates further problems. But hey, it is a message board where we all hide behind our board names and can slam anybody with namecalling and rudeness for whatever reason.
And since you are keeping score I am glad to know that Buzz's positives outweigh the negatives. Could it be that you hand is on that scale?

Really think Willie. Have I ever once called you an idiot? Or anything for that matter? I think the worst I ever said was agreeing with someone else who called you a negative nancy. I disagree with you tooth and nail, but I don't think I ever dissolved into name calling. If I did and I'm forgetting, I apologize.

Other posters, absolutely. They were rude. But I don't speak for them.

[mu-rara]

It's not what is said around here, it's who says the what.   

It's not what someone says.  It is how much arrogance and 20/20 hindsight come along with the statement.

[Windyplayer]

Honestly, it's starting to look more and more like Buzz sabotaged this season so it ended ASAP and he could accelerate the inevitable process of getting him out of town. I'd love to hear his side of the Steve story. I'm sure it would be filled with a bunch of crap, but I want to hear it from him.

[willie warrior]

Really think Willie. Have I ever once called you an idiot? Or anything for that matter? I think the worst I ever said was agreeing with someone else who called you a negative nancy. I disagree with you tooth and nail, but I don't think I ever dissolved into name calling. If I did and I'm forgetting, I apologize.

Other posters, absolutely. They were rude. But I don't speak for them.

OK, peace brother. My point was not that you specifically called me an idiot--that others react that way when they do not agree with somebody's opinion--and there are a number on this board that do that. BTW, if you disagree with me tooth and nail, that is your business and I respect that, but my analysis of Buzzo was spot on. I stand by every thing I said, and most of it is now being proven out. To get paid the cash he was making and pulling the stuff he was pulling was inexcusable. If you disagree with that...well what more can I say.
At any rate, I am liking what I see so far on Wojo, but it is very early in the process. My opinion is that he was likely a 4th or 5th choice and was hired for his perceived recruiting ability--which is important. So the jury on recruiting and in game coaching is still out. Hope he succeeds, but it does get frustrating that we continue to go the asst. coach route.

[slack00]

OK, peace brother. My point was not that you specifically called me an idiot--that others react that way when they do not agree with somebody's opinion--and there are a number on this board that do that. BTW, if you disagree with me tooth and nail, that is your business and I respect that, but my analysis of Buzzo was spot on. I stand by every thing I said, and most of it is now being proven out. To get paid the cash he was making and pulling the stuff he was pulling was inexcusable. If you disagree with that...well what more can I say.
At any rate, I am liking what I see so far on Wojo, but it is very early in the process. My opinion is that he was likely a 4th or 5th choice and was hired for his perceived recruiting ability--which is important. So the jury on recruiting and in game coaching is still out. Hope he succeeds, but it does get frustrating that we continue to go the asst. coach route.

We continue to go the assistant coach route, but it's proven to be the correct route in retrospect hasn't it?

[MU B2002]

Honestly, it's starting to look more and more like Buzz sabotaged this season so it ended ASAP and he could accelerate the inevitable process of getting him out of town. I'd love to hear his side of the Steve story. I'm sure it would be filled with a bunch of crap, but I want to hear it from him.

"This year was about getting better for Steve.  Getting better as a person. I love Steve. In fact I care about him so much that I couldn't stand to be apart from him during the game.  That is why I kept him with me on the bench."

[mu_hilltopper]

Honestly, it's starting to look more and more like Buzz sabotaged this season so it ended ASAP and he could accelerate the inevitable process of getting him out of town.

If you were looking for another coaching job, wouldn't you want to maximize your market value by having a great, winning season?

[willie warrior]

We continue to go the assistant coach route, but it's proven to be the correct route in retrospect hasn't it?

Depends how you view it. I think it was relatively correct with Crean, we did get about 10 years out of him, bet he also had some lean years, and the way he left was not desirable. Buzz had some very good years but this year was a total loss and he created some damage, a lot that may never come out. It was not correct in his situation.

[MU B2002]

If you were looking for another coaching job, wouldn't you want to maximize your market value by having a great, winning season?

And also have your buddies publish article after article of feel good stories...

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

If you were looking for another coaching job, wouldn't you want to maximize your market value by having a great, winning season?

Agreed. 

It seems to me that the Freshmen couldn't get the defense down.  This team didn't have any chance to win without defense.  Buzz was thinking short term, by playing upperclassmen who were fluent in the system.  In his mind, that gave him the better chance to win immediately rather than take lumps with inexperienced players.  Of course, this mentality hurts the program long term, because you're not giving your freshmen any experience.  Buzz, obviously, didn't care about the long term effects.  Of course, the frustration of having less talented seniors/juniors led to the loss of the team's underclassmen.  With a mutiny on his hands, Buzz became impatient which led to crazy substitution patterns.  Had he been more consistent with underclassmen, in the beginning of the year, there's a chance they may have bought in/figured it out/more confidence in March.  At least that is my theory, from what I have read. 

[Silkk the Shaka]

i'll give my best chico's impersonation. 

look, i don't argue that he's a prick...i've admitted this, but you can't argue what he did for MU wasn't positive.  i mean people aren't being as hard on KO and TC as they are on buzz.  it's just ridiculous to listen to so many fans be so hypocritical.  the guy took us to 2 S16's and an E8.  he ushered us through a time when we could have dropped back into conference USA status, but we managed to pick up a sweet TV deal and stay relevant in the new Big East.  look at his former players like jimmy, jae, DJO, and even mayo.  they don't seem to have a problem with him at all.  and when he left, it wasn't like he left us with some other prick/squirmy assistant to fill his role. 

Wow, well done. Must have been difficult to get into such a dark headspace to write this. Thanks for doing us the service.

[MarsupialMadness]

Agreed. 

It seems to me that the Freshmen couldn't get the defense down.  This team didn't have any chance to win without defense.  Buzz was thinking short term, by playing upperclassmen who were fluent in the system.  In his mind, that gave him the better chance to win immediately rather than take lumps with inexperienced players.  Of course, this mentality hurts the program long term, because you're not giving your freshmen any experience.  Buzz, obviously, didn't care about the long term effects.  Of course, the frustration of having less talented seniors/juniors led to the loss of the team's underclassmen.  With a mutiny on his hands, Buzz became impatient which led to crazy substitution patterns.  Had he been more consistent with underclassmen, in the beginning of the year, there's a chance they may have bought in/figured it out/more confidence in March.  At least that is my theory, from what I have read. 

+1 agree

[NYWarrior]

Agreed. 

It seems to me that the Freshmen couldn't get the defense down.  This team didn't have any chance to win without defense.  Buzz was thinking short term, by playing upperclassmen who were fluent in the system.  In his mind, that gave him the better chance to win immediately rather than take lumps with inexperienced players.  Of course, this mentality hurts the program long term, because you're not giving your freshmen any experience.  Buzz, obviously, didn't care about the long term effects.  Of course, the frustration of having less talented seniors/juniors led to the loss of the team's underclassmen.  With a mutiny on his hands, Buzz became impatient which led to crazy substitution patterns.  Had he been more consistent with underclassmen, in the beginning of the year, there's a chance they may have bought in/figured it out/more confidence in March.  At least that is my theory, from what I have read. 

True and baffling ... the freshmen couldn't master Buzz' complicated defensive scheme, so they sat.  But Buzz' defensive scheme was ineffective.

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2014/03/marquette-and-priorities-part-four.html

[connie]

Agreed. 

It seems to me that the Freshmen couldn't get the defense down.  This team didn't have any chance to win without defense.  Buzz was thinking short term, by playing upperclassmen who were fluent in the system.  In his mind, that gave him the better chance to win immediately rather than take lumps with inexperienced players.  Of course, this mentality hurts the program long term, because you're not giving your freshmen any experience.  Buzz, obviously, didn't care about the long term effects.  Of course, the frustration of having less talented seniors/juniors led to the loss of the team's underclassmen.  With a mutiny on his hands, Buzz became impatient which led to crazy substitution patterns.  Had he been more consistent with underclassmen, in the beginning of the year, there's a chance they may have bought in/figured it out/more confidence in March.  At least that is my theory, from what I have read. 

This makes sense to me as well, although this was such a weird year who but Buzz really knows what was going on (and "Don't Get Fooled Again" is still ringing in my ears). Buzz thought the best way to win this year was to double down on the upperclassmen.  I expect this rubbed some of the more talented players wrong and we are hearing their gripes now.  Time to move on.

[lab_warrior]

If you were looking for another coaching job, wouldn't you want to maximize your market value by having a great, winning season?

Well, that's what you do if you want to leave to a GOOD job.  He went to VT. 

[AZWarrior]

If you were looking for another coaching job, wouldn't you want to maximize your market value by having a great, winning season?

That would, indeed, be the rational approach.

[ChicosBailBonds]

It's not what someone says.  It is how much arrogance and 20/20 hindsight come along with the statement.

Still smarting about Wisconsin and your dumb comments the other day I see.


Hindsight, no sugar....things were brought up here 6 years ago, 5 years ago, etc, but people blasted me and everyone else that brought them up.  After awhile, you just stop saying it because the wagons are circled and no one wants to believe it, see it, hear it as long as the wins come. 

No hindsight at all...a lot of crow eating now....it was inevitable that it was coming.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The key with Buzz is understanding the mental\emotional aspects of Buzz.  That will help lead you to the answers you seek.

[Sunbelt15]

Honestly, it's starting to look more and more like Buzz sabotaged this season so it ended ASAP and he could accelerate the inevitable process of getting him out of town. I'd love to hear his side of the Steve story. I'm sure it would be filled with a bunch of crap, but I want to hear it from him.

I don't know but, the treatment Steve experienced, from what I heard, was the same treatment and reason Ferguson left. Practice performance not transitioning into playing time. As unorthodox as he was, I heard that he gave Blue headaches in practice, on both ends.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

I don't know but, the treatment Steve experienced, from what I heard, was the same treatment and reason Ferguson left. Practice performance not transitioning into playing time. As unorthodox as he was, I heard that he gave Blue headaches in practice, on both ends.

Buzz, in the face of adversity, leaned too hard on his players.  Rather than seek out a positive way to resolve the issues of players becoming better, he continued down the dark path of negative reinforcement which planted the seeds of mutiny and built up a wall between Buzz and his players. 

Let's move on to Wojo. 

[Lennys Tap]

Hindsight, no sugar....things were brought up here 6 years ago, 5 years ago, etc, but people blasted me and everyone else that brought them up.  After awhile, you just stop saying it because the wagons are circled and no one wants to believe it, see it, hear it as long as the wins come. 

No hindsight at all...a lot of crow eating now....it was inevitable that it was coming.

Baloney. You've spent 3+ years (until things got rocky this year) telling anybody who would listen that your earlier concerns had been allayed and assuring all that you loved Buzz. All of that conveniently forgotten now.

[Lennys Tap]

The key with Buzz is understanding the mental\emotional aspects of Buzz.  That will help lead you to the answers you seek.

Thanks, Doc.

[keefe]

For me, I knew something was up once we heard that Jerry Wainwright had told Todd to speak to Coach Buzz about playing time.

Wainwright's been around the block more than once and coming out of the CPS he has seen more than his share of bizarre stuff. You have to think Wainwright is inside watching Bert's sh1t then heads outside to grab a smoke. I can just picture Jerry standing outside behind the Al dragging on a butt, face down, slowly shaking his head in dismay, and letting go a WTF laugh at the insanity going on inside.

[keefe]

Only question left is if paint touches will rebrand for wojo.

And they shouldn't. But I'll bet they wish they had a mulligan on that one

[keefe]

Real talk: You, Goose and Ners are the realest posters on this board. I respect what you three guys have to say because indeed u are right almost all the time. Respect Respeck