[PaintTouches]Steve Taylor reveals truths about knee, playing time

[insidetheleague]

I am curious to see what this thread would have looked like had Buzz stayed and Taylor transferred.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I am curious to see what this thread would have looked like had Buzz stayed and Taylor transferred.

Good point. 

I would say you rarely see how the sausage is made.  At the end of the day you want to have capable players in the best situation for them.  I always thought that was happening -- turns out maybe - maybe not.

Fact is fans - even the passionate that are on scoop don't know these stories.  So its hard to judge -- and even harder when there is success on the court to blind you about what is happening.  Big time basketball is a rough place -- looks like we get a glimpse into it over the next few weeks.

[wildbill sb]

What a bunch of vultures - all of you.    Cripes, let the dead bury the dead

[bilsu]

Buzz always had his quirks, but they got worse when the team was not successful on the court. The losing made his quirks worse and the worse his quirks got the worse the team got. I always like to see how coaches react when they are losing. I always thought Crean was a poor loser. Coaches like Izzo, K and the Wichita St coach all sounded so positive after this year's NCAA loss and you can see why they are successful team builders.

[insidetheleague]

Good point. 

I would say you rarely see how the sausage is made.  At the end of the day you want to have capable players in the best situation for them.  I always thought that was happening -- turns out maybe - maybe not.

Fact is fans - even the passionate that are on scoop don't know these stories.  So its hard to judge -- and even harder when there is success on the court to blind you about what is happening.  Big time basketball is a rough place -- looks like we get a glimpse into it over the next few weeks.

I agree with everything you said but this. The most important thing to coaches and fans alike are Ws. Obviously when you have 13-15 athletes on a team where only 5 play at a time, players are not going to play. When they transfer out, fans jump on them even if the player speaks his mind. "He's not tough enough to play here" I've seen that more than a few times here.  At the end of the day, fans want what is best for THEM. There's nothing wrong with that.

Just an FYI..I did not go to Marquette, and I'm not a Marquette fan. I have/had several close ties to the program with both the players and coaching staff and that is why I have a hard time seeing threads like this one.

[Newsdreams]

Paint Touches ‏@PaintTouches  2m
Du. Wilson said Cadougan talked to him about redshirting, and Cadougan admitted that if he could do it all over again, he would have.

Paint Touches ‏@PaintTouches  11m
Some really good stuff on Duane Wilson, probably coming tomorrow. Kid can't wait to put a Marquette jersey on.

Paint Touches ‏@PaintTouches  14m
Mayo, on Buzz: "It didn't seem like we liked each other, but he's one of the guys that I'll always talk to the rest of my life." #mubb


Paint Touches ‏@PaintTouches  16m
@mike_e_nelson @trebby I don't think the name is going anywhere. If we were @LionTamers or @ThrowGoodPitch maybe I'd change it.

Paint Touches ‏@PaintTouches  21m
#BANE: "I never planned on leaving. I was going to stick it out. I committed to Marquette. There was no chance of me leaving at all."

Have to say this really surprised me.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I agree with everything you said but this. The most important thing to coaches and fans alike are Ws. Obviously when you have 13-15 athletes on a team where only 5 play at a time, players are not going to play. When they transfer out, fans jump on them even if the player speaks his mind. "He's not tough enough to play here" I've seen that more than a few times here. At the end of the day, fans want what is best for THEM. There's nothing wrong with that.

Just an FYI..I did not go to Marquette, and I'm not a Marquette fan. I have/had several close ties to the program with both the players and coaching staff and that is why I have a hard time seeing threads like this one.

Maybe I have been beaten down by the corporate culture.  I agree with what you say, but when players leave and log mins at lesser institutions I feel good for them.

[MUSF]

Bro, I've been feeling this for 6 years and took ample crap here for it.  Squirmy as hell.  Next few weeks and months are going to be fun and I'm expecting a lot of people to eat some massive helpings of crow.  Hell, we might even see a few people sack up and apologize, but I won't hold my breath.

Come on Chicos, this is BS.

You haven't been saying FU to Buzz for 6 years like this post insinuates. In fact, you were always very quick to feign shock and take offense when anyone would accuse you of attacking Buzz. How many times did you use the defense that you weren't attacking Buzz, only pointing out the hypocrisy of other posters, or asking questions.

A few weeks / months ago you couldn't understand why people would interpret your comments as anti-Buzz, now you want everyone to recognize that you were anti-Buzz for 6 years. The reality is, you wouldn't have dared say "FU Buzz" on this board a few months ago because it would have destroyed your well crafted facade. Now you are trying to act like this was your position all along so you can come charging down from your moral high ground to lead the other jackals in a feeding frenzy on Buzz's carcass. I hope you are enjoying it.

I have often agreed with you in the past and never considered myself one of the Chicos haters, but this stuff is starting to change my mind.

[Nevada233]

Let's not forget Buzz is the same guy who gave zero minutes to a kid from New Mexico when we played them and his parents traveled hours on end to make he game. A complete ego maniac.

Yea, They Drove to Vegas for a DNP... While Cullen Neal goes off for a Career High against our world beater defense.

Egomania reigns supreme...... I miss him none.

[Tugg Speedman]

You do know Virginia Tech is ranked above us in almost every category but basketball right?

US News Rankings


VT=  4 way tie for 69th (with Rutgers, Texas A&M and Minnesota)
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/virginia-tech-3754

Then Michigan State and Iowa tied at #73

MU is tied with 6 other schools for 75 (American, Baylor, Clark, Indiana, Miami of Ohio and Delaware)

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/marquette-university-3863

If you want to confuse VT with Harvard go ahead.  But I would say the difference between a 4 way tie for 69 and a 7 way tie for 75 is really not that different at all.  

BusinessWeek undergraduate business schools (because it is free)

http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/rankings#5
MU #77 of 200 national universities
VT not ranked


Chicos Favorite metric ... endowment

MU $400 million
VT $580 million


It is not ranked above us in almost every category except basketball.  It is ranked above us in engineering.  Exclude that and MU comes ahead in most of the other categories except endowment size.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

Eh - enjoying learning more about Buzz through this thread, but it's always a losing proposition to set out to put someone in the box of good or bad all the time either.

I'd also reached out to Buzz via email, and received much more than I deserved in terms of a thoughtful, valuable response.

None of us know him fully.

Bottom Line: Thrilled to have Wojo here. For whatever reason, Buzz and MU was not a fit anymore.

Thanks Buzz for the first 5 years!

[MUSF]

None of us know him fully.

Bottom Line: Thrilled to have Wojo here. For whatever reason, Buzz and MU was not a fit anymore.

Thanks Buzz for the first 5 years!

This.

[real chili 83]

Buzz always had his quirks, but they got worse when the team was not successful on the court. The losing made his quirks worse and the worse his quirks got the worse the team got. I always like to see how coaches react when they are losing. I always thought Crean was a poor loser. Coaches like Izzo, K and the Wichita St coach all sounded so positive after this year's NCAA loss and you can see why they are successful team builders.

Yep, Buzz's quirkiness caught up to him.

When the times were good, he was on his game.  Positive, fun to be around.  He had a number of good years.

This year, when times were tough, he got weird.

Charactered revealed.

I have a very good friend in the AD that told me that Buzz AND Corey would scour the Internet for anything  negative about Buzz.  Likely, he is reading this thread.  

GO WARRIORS!!!!!!

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Hi Buzz and Hello NSA as well.

Yep, Buzz's quirkiness caught up to him.

When the times were good, he was on his game.  Positive, fun to be around.  He had a number of good years.

This year, when times were tough, he got weird.

Charactered revealed.

I have a very good friend in the AD that told me that Buzz AND Corey would scour the Internet for anything  negative about Buzz.  Likely, he is reading this thread.   

GO WARRIORS!!!!!!

[savwa]

I think I'm going blind reading so many threads and posts about everything but I thought I saw that Buzz's buyout dropped to $100,000 when the AD resigned? I was wondering why Buzz's buyout was so low and this would explain it. I wonder if Buzz thought he won the war when LW resigned but the school knew then that Buzz's fate was sealed and they wanted to cut ties. It seems to me if any responsible institution looks at their high revenue programs and see they are going down a path where the coach's power is reaching a point where you can't rein him in you're on a slippery slope (see Florida football and PSU football-extreme eg with JoPa).The university has a responsibility, if a coach is getting to that point where he feels he's teflon that you, as the school higher ups, have to bounce the coach because your priority is the school, and the student body which is more important than 1 team sport regardless of revenue. Unfortunately, I'm sure more often than not a lot of schools will overlook certain indiscretions because the almighty $ seems to blind people and some feel they are too far down the path to pull the trigger and do the right thing. When you're the highest paid employee at a University a lot of coaches are bound to think they are above their own superiors. In a roundabout way, I wonder if Buzz's buyout dropping after AD departure was in the contract as a safety measure for the school to make him more attractive to rivals to poach him therefore removing the problem for MU. Wojo has a clean rep and gives MU a fresh start. Here's hoping MU continues to be a great bball program that does it the right way. $ and power can always change people but you never know until they have it. God forbid if they get $, power and the donuts too though.

[martyconlonontherun]

I think I'm going blind reading so many threads and posts about everything but I thought I saw that Buzz's buyout dropped to $100,000 when the AD resigned? I was wondering why Buzz's buyout was so low and this would explain it. I wonder if Buzz thought he won the war when LW resigned but the school knew then that Buzz's fate was sealed and they wanted to cut ties. It seems to me if any responsible institution looks at their high revenue programs and see they are going down a path where the coach's power is reaching a point where you can't rein him in you're on a slippery slope (see Florida football and PSU football-extreme eg with JoPa).The university has a responsibility, if a coach is getting to that point where he feels he's teflon that you, as the school higher ups, have to bounce the coach because your priority is the school, and the student body which is more important than 1 team sport regardless of revenue. Unfortunately, I'm sure more often than not a lot of schools will overlook certain indiscretions because the almighty $ seems to blind people and some feel they are too far down the path to pull the trigger and do the right thing. When you're the highest paid employee at a University a lot of coaches are bound to think they are above their own superiors. In a roundabout way, I wonder if Buzz's buyout dropping after AD departure was in the contract as a safety measure for the school to make him more attractive to rivals to poach him therefore removing the problem for MU. Wojo has a clean rep and gives MU a fresh start. Here's hoping MU continues to be a great bball program that does it the right way. $ and power can always change people but you never know until they have it. God forbid if they get $, power and the donuts too though.

I highly doubt that. I'm willing to bet that's a standard clause put in by the coach in case he doesn't like the new AD. Mu could've made it known they were willing to reduce the buyout to buzz's agent if they wanted him out bad enough.

[willie warrior]

http://painttouches.com/2014/04/01/duane-wilson-confident-he-made-the-correct-decision-redshirting/

Wait, Duane is confident that HE made the right decision.

And you're still going after this?  Oh willie.

As I said, talk to people close to the program Hards. He made the "right" decision like Buzz made the right decision. You should investigate things, but do it without the blinders.

[willie warrior]

It wasn't the expressing of opinions. It was the manner of how those opinions were expressed.

To paraphrase Chicos "It's not what is said, it is how it is said."

Buzz did many squirmy things. Most of which very few of us knew about until recently. But he did many wonderful things. As I look at the score right now, the positives still outweigh the negatives

A real cop out for the rudeness--"The manner of how these opinions were expressed". Now we have gotten to: I don't like the way you said that so you are an idiot. But you do have that right. When people start basing those things  on "manner in which it is expressed" which is totally subjective, that creates further problems. But hey, it is a message board where we all hide behind our board names and can slam anybody with namecalling and rudeness for whatever reason.
And since you are keeping score I am glad to know that Buzz's positives outweigh the negatives. Could it be that you hand is on that scale?

[JimmyB!]

Am I reading this correctly ... Buzz stays at a minimum JJJ, STj and Duane all leave?

I'll trade the recruits leaving to keep these guys.

Duane wasn't going to leave. You guys are misreading the quote.

[connie]

None of us know him fully.

Bottom Line: Thrilled to have Wojo here. For whatever reason, Buzz and MU was not a fit anymore.

Thanks Buzz for the first 5 years!

Agree.  Time to move on. 

[avid1010]

Bro, I've been feeling this for 6 years and took ample crap here for it.  Squirmy as hell.  Next few weeks and months are going to be fun and I'm expecting a lot of people to eat some massive helpings of crow.  Hell, we might even see a few people sack up and apologize, but I won't hold my breath.

i'll give my best chico's impersonation. 

look, i don't argue that he's a prick...i've admitted this, but you can't argue what he did for MU wasn't positive.  i mean people aren't being as hard on KO and TC as they are on buzz.  it's just ridiculous to listen to so many fans be so hypocritical.  the guy took us to 2 S16's and an E8.  he ushered us through a time when we could have dropped back into conference USA status, but we managed to pick up a sweet TV deal and stay relevant in the new Big East.  look at his former players like jimmy, jae, DJO, and even mayo.  they don't seem to have a problem with him at all.  and when he left, it wasn't like he left us with some other prick/squirmy assistant to fill his role. 

[avid1010]

As I said, talk to people close to the program Hards. He made the "right" decision like Buzz made the right decision. You should investigate things, but do it without the blinders.

you don't talk to anyone close to the program...if you did you wouldn't post half of the dumb stuff you do. 

[reinko]

Duane wasn't going to leave. You guys are misreading the quote.

Duane was very unhappy this year and was contemplating transferring.  Fact.

[TJ]

I believe Paint Touches just tweeted that Duane was swayed to redshirt after talking to Cadougan. It said Cadougan wished he had reshirted.

In the end he didn't think the 6 minutes of PT were worth it?  I could have told him that 5 years ago.  Dumbest waste of a year ever.

[Hards Alumni]

As I said, talk to people close to the program Hards. He made the "right" decision like Buzz made the right decision. You should investigate things, but do it without the blinders.

lmao dude. whatever.  If you can't read then I can't help you.