OT: DePaul Kool Aid

[rocky_warrior]

Just to pick on our friends to the south, I dropped by their board today.  They managed to beat the Trinity Christian Trolls (who only returned 2 starters from last year) by a score of 83-59 in an exhibition game, and somehow because of that they've already crowned Dar Tucker the next Wade.  Not saying it couldn't happen, but I think they may be going a little overboard.  Hah...

Dar Tucker: I think everyone just said "WOW" when they watched Dar Tucker, as he is a superstar in the making. [snip] Yes, I will say it: PEOPLE CAN START COMPARING HIM TO DWAYNE WADE.

http://depaul.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=2125&tid=104651780&mid=104651780&sid=1143&style=2

[TallTitan34]

Side Note:  Jerry Wainwright was on 670 The Score today in Chicago and said that DePaul turned down games with North Carolina and Gonzaga due to the expanded Big East schedule this year.

[NYWarrior]

Just to pick on our friends to the south, I dropped by their board today.  They managed to beat the Trinity Christian Trolls (who only returned 2 starters from last year) by a score of 83-59 in an exhibition game, and somehow because of that they've already crowned Dar Tucker the next Wade.  Not saying it couldn't happen, but I think they may be going a little overboard.  Hah...

Dar Tucker: I think everyone just said "WOW" when they watched Dar Tucker, as he is a superstar in the making. [snip] Yes, I will say it: PEOPLE CAN START COMPARING HIM TO DWAYNE WADE.

http://depaul.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=2125&tid=104651780&mid=104651780&sid=1143&style=2

I can appreciate their enthusiasm - their class of Tucker, Koshwal and that foreign big fella is tremendous......its been a while since that program had much to crow about.  Still -- they have such a long way to go

[Coobeys Oil Depot]

Side Note:  Jerry Wainwright was on 670 The Score today in Chicago and said that DePaul turned down games with North Carolina and Gonzaga due to the expanded Big East schedule this year.

That's crazy. How do you not take those contests if they were true home-and-home? A win in either of those games and 10 wins in conference gets you into the NCAAs without question.

[Marquette84]

Just to pick on our friends to the south, I dropped by their board today.  They managed to beat the Trinity Christian Trolls (who only returned 2 starters from last year) by a score of 83-59 in an exhibition game, and somehow because of that they've already crowned Dar Tucker the next Wade.  Not saying it couldn't happen, but I think they may be going a little overboard.  Hah...

Dar Tucker: I think everyone just said "WOW" when they watched Dar Tucker, as he is a superstar in the making. [snip] Yes, I will say it: PEOPLE CAN START COMPARING HIM TO DWAYNE WADE.

http://depaul.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=2125&tid=104651780&mid=104651780&sid=1143&style=2

They're excited because they beat a NAIA team that lost the 2 best players from a 9-18 squad?  

Well, at least they're optimistic.




 

[NYWarrior]

That's crazy. How do you not take those contests if they were true home-and-home? A win in either of those games and 10 wins in conference gets you into the NCAAs without question.

Maybe UNC and Gonzaga wanted the series to start on the road -- with such a young team, I can understand DPU looking away

[Marquette84]

Side Note:  Jerry Wainwright was on 670 The Score today in Chicago and said that DePaul turned down games with North Carolina and Gonzaga due to the expanded Big East schedule this year.

That's crazy. How do you not take those contests if they were true home-and-home? A win in either of those games and 10 wins in conference gets you into the NCAAs without question.

Because they already had Creighton, Vandy and Kansas.  If they win two of those and 10 wins in conference, they're in the NCAA's anyway.

[mwbauer7]

Dar Tucker: I think everyone just said "WOW" when they watched Dar Tucker, as he is a superstar in the making. [snip] Yes, I will say it: PEOPLE CAN START COMPARING HIM TO DWAYNE WADE.

http://depaul.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=2125&tid=104651780&mid=104651780&sid=1143&style=2

Who is this DWAYNE they speak of?

[🏀]

Can't blame the team for getting the good teams to come in. Helps them in the tough Chicago market.

[Pakuni]

Can't blame the team for getting the good teams to come in. Helps them in the tough Chicago market.

Yep.
Kansas comes because it helps them land guys like Julian Wright and Sherron Collins. Same reason why teams like Arkansas and Arizona agree to play Illinois at the United Center without necessarily getting a home game in return.

[MarquetteBallin]

Creighton beats DePaul Friday night...yeah, you heard it here first.

[Coobeys Oil Depot]

That's crazy. How do you not take those contests if they were true home-and-home? A win in either of those games and 10 wins in conference gets you into the NCAAs without question.

Maybe UNC and Gonzaga wanted the series to start on the road -- with such a young team, I can understand DPU looking away

Exactly the reason why you take it. As a young team, nothing is expected from them. In essence, their road games in this series are no-lose situations. Spring the upset and it makes your season.

Then you get those two teams in Chicago in the same season? They could sell an extra 1,000 season tickets based on that schedule plus the Big East.

[Marquette84]

Exactly the reason why you take it. As a young team, nothing is expected from them. In essence, their road games in this series are no-lose situations. Spring the upset and it makes your season.
Then you get those two teams in Chicago in the same season? They could sell an extra 1,000 season tickets based on that schedule plus the Big East.

On the other hand, DePaul lost an NCAA bid last year because of 3 road and 2 neutral losses.   

With three tough games (@Creighton @Kansas and Vandy at home) a trap game (@Detroit) and a couple of additional tough games in PR against Ole Miss and Creighton, DePaul is already scheduled way too tough given the loss of Mejia and Chandler.   The "sprung the upset" last year agaisnt Kansas.  The problem was they scheduled themselves five non-conference losses to go with that upset. 

As for selling 1000 new season tickets?  Hah!  DePaul averages about 7,000 empty seats per game.  People will simply walk up and buy tickets, just as they did with Kansas, Notre Dame and Marquette last year.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

DePaul needs marquee names to draw fans. MU doesn't particularly care about drawing fans because they know their season ticket fanbase is hugely loyal.

This is why I have continually pointed out that Marquette is taking advantage of the loyalty of its fanbase. You don't need to build it, if they're already coming.

[Coobeys Oil Depot]

Exactly the reason why you take it. As a young team, nothing is expected from them. In essence, their road games in this series are no-lose situations. Spring the upset and it makes your season.
Then you get those two teams in Chicago in the same season? They could sell an extra 1,000 season tickets based on that schedule plus the Big East.

On the other hand, DePaul lost an NCAA bid last year because of 3 road and 2 neutral losses.   

{[uote]

Those losses didn't come against the likes of UNC and Gonzaga. Bradley this isn't.

[augoman]

I can appreciate their enthusiasm - their class of Tucker, Koshwal and that foreign big fella is tremendous......its been a while since that program had much to crow about.  Still -- they have such a long way to go
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Obviously you didn't drive down to the game last year.

[jmayer1]

This is why I have continually pointed out that Marquette is taking advantage of the loyalty of its fanbase.

And I think you have been continually proven wrong.  Season ticket holders last year got to enjoy more than half of the 17th hardest schedule in America.  Marquette schedules out of conference games based on its needs, which at this point in time does not allow for multiple away games in addition to the preseason tourneys due to the financial impact of losing home games.  I think next year, when Marquette hosts UW,  you will see another home and home with a BCS school beginning on the road; which was not a viable option this year.

[MUFanInGreenBay]

I can appreciate their enthusiasm - their class of Tucker, Koshwal and that foreign big fella is tremendous......its been a while since that program had much to crow about.  Still -- they have such a long way to go

Obviously you didn't drive down to the game last year.
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Yeah, no kidding. I don't get how some people can say DePaul has such a long way to go. They really don't if they get one more solid recruiting class to build on this year's class. They're not going to be that bad this year either folks. Sure, MU has a better backcourt than DePaul right now, however, their frontcourt will be better than MU's this year. That I will guarantee. I would love to have a guy like Koshwal coming into MU this year. He would help make make us more of a legit top 10 team, which at the moment I don't think we're all that close to as some may think. We're more in that 20-25 range IMO. I still think people don't quite realize how much our frontcourt is going to struggle this year. We're going to get killed down low by any team that has any kind of a resemblance of a low-post threat. It's really going to put a huge burden on our guards by them having to carry such a huge load again. It's that burden that will take it's toll on this team just like it did last year. We're going to see our guards having to force the issue way more than they should have to, which leads to a lot of stagment offense and poor shot selection. I would love to eat lots of crow come March and see this team make a deep tourney run. However, I just don't see how we're going to do it with the current talent/depth we have in that frontcourt. It's to bad because we have a national championship caliber backcourt right now.

[Marquette84]

Exactly the reason why you take it. As a young team, nothing is expected from them. In essence, their road games in this series are no-lose situations. Spring the upset and it makes your season.
Then you get those two teams in Chicago in the same season? They could sell an extra 1,000 season tickets based on that schedule plus the Big East.

On the other hand, DePaul lost an NCAA bid last year because of 3 road and 2 neutral losses.   

{[uote]

Those losses didn't come against the likes of UNC and Gonzaga. Bradley this isn't.

Just curious--why did you single out Bradley rather than Kentucky? 

In any event, it still backfires on you:

Bradley's RPI was 38
Gonzaga's was 60.

Substituting Gonzaga for Bradley would have had no positive impact on DePaul's NCAA chances.  Possibly even hurt them more.

So take out Bradley and Kentucky and add Gonzaga and UNC.  DePaul's 17-13 record STILL woudn't have gotten them into the NCAA tournament. 

[SqueallyDRyan]

I will be at the Creighton DePaul game Friday. Expect a report from me shortly thereafter

[Coobeys Oil Depot]

Exactly the reason why you take it. As a young team, nothing is expected from them. In essence, their road games in this series are no-lose situations. Spring the upset and it makes your season.
Then you get those two teams in Chicago in the same season? They could sell an extra 1,000 season tickets based on that schedule plus the Big East.

On the other hand, DePaul lost an NCAA bid last year because of 3 road and 2 neutral losses.   

{[uote]

Those losses didn't come against the likes of UNC and Gonzaga. Bradley this isn't.

Just curious--why did you single out Bradley rather than Kentucky? 

In any event, it still backfires on you:

Bradley's RPI was 38
Gonzaga's was 60.

Substituting Gonzaga for Bradley would have had no positive impact on DePaul's NCAA chances.  Possibly even hurt them more.

So take out Bradley and Kentucky and add Gonzaga and UNC.  DePaul's 17-13 record STILL woudn't have gotten them into the NCAA tournament. 

Why'd I pick them out? crap, I don't know, maybe because the programs of UNC and Gonzaga blow Kentucky and Bradley out of the water over the past 3-4 years.

You can take all the numbers you want and have a pool party with them but losing to UNC in any season is not shaming. The same cannot be said of Kentucky last season. There's a reason the coach was asked to leave. And if you're going to lose to a mid-major let it be Gonzaga with some respectability rather then Bradley after their cinderella season.

Sometimes it's not about numbers. It's about perception.

[Marquette84]

DePaul needs marquee names to draw fans. MU doesn't particularly care about drawing fans because they know their season ticket fanbase is hugely loyal.

This is why I have continually pointed out that Marquette is taking advantage of the loyalty of its fanbase. You don't need to build it, if they're already coming.

Yes, loyal fans.  That's it.   Thats why MU feels they can go cheap on the coaching salary--no need to pay big bucks to resign a coach.  That fanbase is hugely loyal--they'll show up even if we re-hire Bob Dukiet out of retirement. 

And that's why MU was perfectly happy with the MCC--why run up big travel budgets when you can play all your games right at home in the midwest.   

Your schtick is getting old--if you don't want to see MU, just buy individual tickets based on the opponents like DePaul fans do. 

BTW, just wondering if you knew the last time MU season ticket holders had two top 10 programs in thier season ticket package.

[SqueallyDRyan]

Well I went to the Creighton v. DePaul game last night and am pleased to say that the Bluejays ended up kicking a little butt.  DePaul started off the game looking sharp and had a 17 point lead early.  Unfortunately for the Demons they were unable to keep things going and once CU put in their athletic youngsters and took out their worthless seniors it was all she wrote.  I will say that I do not think MU should have trouble with DePaul in theory considering that it appears they have much more talent, and were unable to take advantage of their height advantage very much.

I will also say that there was nobody on DePaul that could be compared at this stage to D-Wade.  Although #2 did have an ally-oop, that was about it.