Please tell me UW won't be even better next year

[The Process]

There is no sane human being alive who thinks Marquette can afford a mediocre hire.

Is it insane to think if Marquette doesn't like their choices this year, Wainright becomes "Interim Head Coach" for a year?

WEEKEND AT JERRY'S!!

[Tugg Speedman]

There is no evidence, we have no coach, that's why I said, IF they continue down the paths they are on, not staying relatively equal like they have been in years past.  If we continue to be the train wreck and UW continues to dominate, style wont matter.  Diamond doesn't want to be just a back to the basket center, he wants to shoot threes.

Again, what style do we play, we have no coach.  If we hire Howland we will play slower than UW did this year, than what?    

He can't.  His range is out to 15 feet max.

Stop making stuff up.

If you want to sound smart try this ... Ellerson is more likely to lean Bucky because of what they did tonight than Stone.  6'10" traditional with NBA three range.  That has Bucky written all over it.

[mechaghidorah]

Mike Hall ‏@BTNMikeHall 4m
Frank Kaminsky had a grand total of 133 points last year. He has 74 points in this NCAA Tournament after four games!

[BenCat12]

He can't.  His range is out to 15 feet max.

Stop making stuff up.

If you want to sound smart try this ... Ellerson is more likely to lean Bucky because of what they did tonight than Stone.  6'10" traditional with NBA three range.  That has Bucky written all over it.

Go start another thread.  I've seen him shoot 3's in games.  What big man in the country wouldn't want to go to UW and replace Kaminsky after the game he had tonight and the season he's had.  Big men want to play like guards, they always have. 

[BenCat12]

He can't.  His range is out to 15 feet max.

Stop making stuff up.

If you want to sound smart try this ... Ellerson is more likely to lean Bucky because of what they did tonight than Stone.  6'10" traditional with NBA three range.  That has Bucky written all over it.

If I needed advice from someone like you on how to be smart I wouldn't be able to type a response, my computer would be ruined from all the drool.  Hurry!  Start another pointless thread, it has been at least 5 minutes!

[Tugg Speedman]

Mike Hall ‏@BTNMikeHall 4m
Frank Kaminsky had a grand total of 133 points last year. He has 74 points in this NCAA Tournament after four games!

This is the big difference between Kaminsky and Vander ...  Vander started school with the intention of leaving early for the association.

Kaminsky started school with the intention of getting his degree, then maybe playing/traveling a year in Europe and settling into a real job somewhere in the Chicago area (his hometown).  Then in the last few months, and especially the last few games, he has been playing out of his mind.  He averaged 7 minutes/game his Freshman year, about what Dawson averaged for us.  Is Dawson leaving early?

I'll bet no one before tonight even considered Kaminsky leaving for the association early as a remote possibility.  Vander was planning his exit for years.

[mattyv1908]

There is also a misconception that we play fast.  
The fact is nobody knows what style we will play in the future.  Nobody knows who we will hire.  UW is a juggernaut right now and most likely will be next year and we are a disaster.  
That will only hurt in-state recruiting.  To say it won't, is being dishonest.

For someone who I almost would guarantee would agree with me on most issues, I think there's a tad bit of hyperbole going on right now.

Wisconsin is no different than they have been the past decade.  They play solid team basketball for the entire shot clock, they rely on good outside shooting and they play fundamental defense.  Because of this style, their margin for error is razor thin.

Marquette has not shot the ball well for some time but have consistently forced turnovers and have been able to create off the dribble and usually have out worked their opponents.  Because of their style thei margin for error is razor thin.

Neither this year's Badger team or last year's Marquette team were close to being a juggernaut.

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Let's be honest, we all thought Vander was going to be good enough to leave early as well. But I get your point.

[mechaghidorah]

For someone who I almost would guarantee would agree with me on most issues, I think there's a tad bit of hyperbole going on right now.

Wisconsin is no different than they have been the past decade.  They play solid team basketball for the entire shot clock, they rely on good outside shooting and they play fundamental defense.  Because of this style, their margin for error is razor thin.

Marquette has not shot the ball well for some time but have consistently forced turnovers and have been able to create off the dribble and usually have out worked their opponents.  Because of their style thei margin for error is razor thin.

Neither this year's Badger team or last year's Marquette team were close to being a juggernaut.

MU got to the elite eight and absolutely crapped the bed.  UW gets to the elite eight and plays with incredible heart.  Why?  Coaching?

[mattyv1908]

MU got to the elite eight and absolutely crapped the bed.  UW gets to the elite eight and plays with incredible heart.  Why?  Coaching?

Ultimately MU had their achilles heel weakness exposed last year - poor shooting.  Can't win a game when you shoot under 30%.

[BenCat12]

For someone who I almost would guarantee would agree with me on most issues, I think there's a tad bit of hyperbole going on right now.

Wisconsin is no different than they have been the past decade.  They play solid team basketball for the entire shot clock, they rely on good outside shooting and they play fundamental defense.  Because of this style, their margin for error is razor thin.

Marquette has not shot the ball well for some time but have consistently forced turnovers and have been able to create off the dribble and usually have out worked their opponents.  Because of their style thei margin for error is razor thin.

Neither this year's Badger team or last year's Marquette team were close to being a juggernaut.

I agree with what you are saying if we were talking about 2-3 years ago, but I think we just disagree on the caliber of player Bo has been able to get recently.  The talent of their roster has improved quite a bit over the last two seasons.  Decker and Hayes are tremendous and underclassman, Koenig is gaining valuable experience, and Kaminsky is only a junior.  They have a legitimate shot of winning the whole thing this year and next year.  I don't know of another program you can say that about right now.  I suppose the 6 that are left?  They are trending upward and we are trending downward, that is my only point.  We could make a tremendous hire (though I doubt it) and not have to deal with a coaching change hangover.  Hopefully that happens, otherwise I could see things going very poorly for several years.

[NersEllenson]

Let's be honest, we all thought Vander was going to be good enough to leave early as well. But I get your point.

We ALL did?  Seriously?  Vander was a train wreck his first two seasons at MU...

[Tugg Speedman]

If I needed advice from someone like you on how to be smart I wouldn't be able to type a response, my computer would be ruined from all the drool.  Hurry!  Start another pointless thread, it has been at least 5 minutes!

Stone was 1 for 3 in 3 pointers in an entire season.  So remind us all again why watching every guy on Bucky's team launch 3 pointers makes Stone think he's going to Bucky because that fits his style.  Remind us why Bo would tolerate him launching threes after attempting three in one season?

He's a bull under the basket.  No one on bucky plays like that.  To compare Stone to Kaminsky is just announcing "I don't know what I'm talking about."

Henry Ellerson and Luke Fisher are the comparisons.

[Tugg Speedman]

MU got to the elite eight and absolutely crapped the bed.  UW gets to the elite eight and plays with incredible heart.  Why?  Coaching?

Or Syracuse last year was a much better team that Zona this year.

[WadeATKBurton]

MU was an E8 team last year and was supposed to be better this year.  How did that work out?

But they have Bo..we had...Brent:/

[WadeATKBurton]

I agree with what you are saying if we were talking about 2-3 years ago, but I think we just disagree on the caliber of player Bo has been able to get recently.  The talent of their roster has improved quite a bit over the last two seasons.  Decker and Hayes are tremendous and underclassman, Koenig is gaining valuable experience, and Kaminsky is only a junior.  They have a legitimate shot of winning the whole thing this year and next year.  I don't know of another program you can say that about right now.  I suppose the 6 that are left?  They are trending upward and we are trending downward, that is my only point.  We could make a tremendous hire (though I doubt it) and not have to deal with a coaching change hangover.  Hopefully that happens, otherwise I could see things going very poorly for several years.

Kentucky is a bad match up for them. I hate to say, but as of right now they(WI) would be my fav to win it all next year

[Tugg Speedman]

Kentucky is a bad match up for them. I hate to say, but as of right now they would be my fav to win it all next year

Who is going to be on their team next year?  The two Harrisons, Randle and Poytress are alll gone.  Name their starting lineup net year before we crown them champions.

[WadeATKBurton]

Who is going to be on their team next year?  The two Harrisons, Randle and Poytress are alll gone.  Name their starting lineup net year before we crown them champions.

Wisconsin bruh

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We ALL did?  Seriously?  Vander was a train wreck his first two seasons at MU...

Go back to when Vander committed...read the posts...

[raul]

Congrats to Bucky but I think it all ends at this point for this year and next year will be a step backwards. Great game tonight, Bo can finally claim a final 4 after 13 years.

[BenCat12]

Stone was 1 for 3 in 3 pointers in an entire season.  So remind us all again why watching every guy on Bucky's team launch 3 pointers makes Stone think he's going to Bucky because that fits his style.  Remind us why Bo would tolerate him launching threes after attempting three in one season?

He's a bull under the basket.  No one on bucky plays like that.  To compare Stone to Kaminsky is just announcing "I don't know what I'm talking about."

Henry Ellerson and Luke Fisher are the comparisons.

That was his freshmen year genius, look it up.  He is expanding his game, he wants to be a Kevin Love type player (perhaps the Howland hiring would be good in that sense).  He also spends an awful lot of time visiting Wisconsin and tweeting things, for someone who isn't interested in Wisconsin and Bo is clearly interested in him.  Is Bo going to change his style to fit Diamond, I think not.  If Diamond goes to UW, they will work on his perimeter shot and he will shoot 3's just like every other big man they've had under Bo, not named Stiemsma.  Ellerson and Fischer have nothing to do with this discussion.

[WadeATKBurton]

Congrats to Bucky but I think it all ends at this point for this year and next year will be a step backwards. Great game tonight, Bo can finally claim a final 4 after 13 years.

They only lose Brust after this year

[mattyv1908]

I agree with what you are saying if we were talking about 2-3 years ago, but I think we just disagree on the caliber of player Bo has been able to get recently.  The talent of their roster has improved quite a bit over the last two seasons.  Decker and Hayes are tremendous and underclassman, Koenig is gaining valuable experience, and Kaminsky is only a junior.  They have a legitimate shot of winning the whole thing this year and next year.  I don't know of another program you can say that about right now.  I suppose the 6 that are left?  They are trending upward and we are trending downward, that is my only point.  We could make a tremendous hire (though I doubt it) and not have to deal with a coaching change hangover.  Hopefully that happens, otherwise I could see things going very poorly for several years.

Wisconsin has been just as capable as going to the final four any of the last ten years and this year's team was just as vulnerable to getting knocked out the first weekend like many of their previous teams.

If their shots don't fall they're an average team.  This year they haven't had a poor shooting game in the tournament thus far.

I don't think next year will be any different.

But I feel your missing a big point and thus moving the goal posts from the real issue.  We shouldn't be competing with Wisconsin.  We should be competing with Georgetown, Villanova and the rest of the top Big East schools.

Our main concern should be winning 12+ games in conference period.  If Marquette does that they won't ever miss the NCAAT and the program will have no trouble recruiting at all.

[NavinRJohnson]

Wisconsin has been just as capable as going to the final four any of the last ten years and this year's team was just as vulnerable to getting knocked out the first weekend like many of their previous teams.

If their shots don't fall they're an average team.  This year they haven't had a poor shooting game in the tournament thus far.

Not quite. Big difference for this team is everyone on the floor can score and hit shots from all 5 spots. That has not been the case consistently over the years. Not a coincidence they are finally going to FF, its a direct reflection of the talent on the floor. Maybe the best collection they have  ever had.

[BenCat12]

Wisconsin has been just as capable as going to the final four any of the last ten years and this year's team was just as vulnerable to getting knocked out the first weekend like many of their previous teams.

If their shots don't fall they're an average team.  This year they haven't had a poor shooting game in the tournament thus far.

I don't think next year will be any different.

But I feel your missing a big point and thus moving the goal posts from the real issue.  We shouldn't be competing with Wisconsin.  We should be competing with Georgetown, Villanova and the rest of the top Big East schools.

Our main concern should be winning 12+ games in conference period.  If Marquette does that they won't ever miss the NCAAT and the program will have no trouble recruiting at all.

I understand what you are saying about competing in the conference and making the NCAAT.  But what good does it do to be the best in our conference, if we are the second best in the state?  I realize this is all hypothetical.  We could get a great coach, that keeps the program together as far as returning players and incoming recruits, and not have to re-build.  I'm just saying if UW keeps improving the quality of their roster and we continue to be an unorganized, leaderless disaster, they could dominate the recruiting in this state for several years.  I think we have to agree to disagree on the quality of their team this year and next.