Martin ends up getting the job

[Let's Go Warriors]

Quite frankly.  This would not be an "impact hire".
Next please
Respect the process and don't knee jerk for Martin because smart turns you down.  Mu program is better than that.
Take your time And get the best candidate.

[GooooMarquette]

I believe this has been covered, but what is the boards general consensus about a coach from the same state as Cuonzo but Southwest

If we could get Pastner, I'd take him over Martin in a heartbeat.

[Groin_pull]

Quite frankly.  This would not be an "impact hire".
Next please
Respect the process and don't knee jerk for Martin because smart turns you down.  Mu program is better than that.
Take your time And get the best candidate.

As just who would that be? Izzo or Coach K aren't walking through the door. Give us some names.

[tweakers_suck]

If we could get Pastner, I'd take him over Martin in a heartbeat.

Is Pastner clean? Seriously, I don't know. Being at Memphis makes me wonder, though. Memphis is not known for their academic profile. And I don't see him leaving either as he is doing very well already.

[NersEllenson]

As just who would that be? Izzo or Coach K aren't walking through the door. Give us some names.

Thank you...

Howland and Marshall are the two potential guys available that you could make a case for that have some big name cache at this point - yet that doesn't necessarily mean they are the best person for the job.

We swung for the fences with Shaka...did everything in our power to get him....and even with him there were still 20% minority that wanted Howland instead.  At the end of the day, unless we hire Rick Pitino, or Tom Izzo...there will be some disdain.

Think Martin is a very viable and attractive candidate..

[mechaghidorah]

MU doesn't seem to want him, but Howland's outstanding track record of success makes him an impact hire, imo.

Tony Bennett and Gregg Marshall would also fit that description.

[MUWeb7]

Perhaps a silly question...but would it be possible they would approach current players/future recruits and gauge their interest in the next candidate?

Seems like they would want to get a feel for what the players/future players would want.  Give a different perspective and allow for the maximum stability following a hire.  Plus get an indication on what future players may be looking for.

Combine that with whomever aligns with the administration/University needs/wants...and go after that person hard.

[JTBMU7]

Quite frankly.  This would not be an "impact hire".
Next please
Respect the process and don't knee jerk for Martin because smart turns you down.  Mu program is better than that.
Take your time And get the best candidate.

It's possible Martin could be the best candidate and not an "impact hire" - whatever that means....
Also, from what goodman says, we've been on this mystery candidate since buzz left, so I doubt it's any kind of knee jerk reaction.

[wildbill sb]

Perhaps a silly question...but would it be possible they would approach current players/future recruits and gauge their interest in the next candidate?


Inmates running the asylum?

[MUWeb7]

Perhaps a silly question...but would it be possible they would approach current players/future recruits and gauge their interest in the next candidate?

Inmates running the asylum?

The intent of my point was they would "gauge their interest"....not "pick the coach".  Give them an additional bit of information when considering the candidates.

[ChicosBailBonds]

If we could get Pastner, I'd take him over Martin in a heartbeat.

What is the love affair for Pastner?  Not picking on you, merely asking.

[Niv Berkowitz]

It's possible Martin could be the best candidate and not an "impact hire" - whatever that means....
Also, from what goodman says, we've been on this mystery candidate since buzz left, so I doubt it's any kind of knee jerk reaction.

For starters....well, if Goodman says we were on this guy since pre-Buzz leaving, I mean, why not believe that? It's not like anyone would say that either as a smokescreen or a way for Goodman to promote one of his guys. Just saying.

For all you people that somehow have an issue w/Howland's age and that a) he can't recruit (false) b) doesn't have the energy to recruit (how do you know?!) and c) his age is a detriment because he's not a 30+ year old minority that can "speak" to the kids of today, I'd like to introduce you to the following people.

Tom Izzo
Coach K
Roy Williams
Rick Pitino
John Beilien
+24 others that I don't have the time to mention.

Thanks.

Glad everyone is so willing to talk themselves into Martin. Right now, he's the cute girl in the corner that you are all clamoring for because you don't have the balls to ask the other hot babe to dance. The first babe said no and now your confidence is all messed up. I would understand that, if it weren't for the fact we are the starting QB on the team right now.

God...enough metaphors. I need some coffee.

[Niv Berkowitz]

And I really like Pastner. I recall he interviewed to be a top assistant under Buzz when he took the job. At that time, he was too green to be offered the job. I think Pastner's a great up and coming coach, personally. Not sure he's in my top 5, but he's a rock solid coach.

And two years of Calipari-stench isn't enough to turn me off of him long-term. He learned under Lute and has been a force of an AAU coach for years. Really plugged in and hasn't dropped off much in Memphis.

[WadeATKBurton]

What is the love affair for Pastner?  Not picking on you, merely asking.

Chicosbailbonds, Pastner isnt that good of a coach, however hes an A+ recruiter. The knock on his teams is that they play "street ball". Dont know if this fan base would like that. ..

[GooooMarquette]

What is the love affair for Pastner?  Not picking on you, merely asking.

Five years at Memphis, and his worst record is 24-10 (twice).  And his recruiting record is better than Martin or Buzz.  If the goal is a young, energetic guy with a (brief) track record of success, Pastner has shown me more than Martin.

Oh, and for those giving credit to Martin for following the Pearl fiasco, recall that Pastner followed Cal, who got Memphis in a bit of hot water himself.

Why is is that many give Martin "credit" for following after Pearl, but Pastner "suspicion" for following after Cal?

[WadeATKBurton]

Five years at Memphis, and his worst record is 24-10 (twice).  And his recruiting record is better than Martin or Buzz.  If the goal is a young, energetic guy with a (brief) track record of success, Pastner has shown me more than Martin.

Oh, and for those giving credit to Martin for following the Pearl fiasco, recall that Pastner followed Cal, who got Memphis in a bit of hot water himself.

What has Pastner done in the tournament? His teams never even made the sweet 16

[NavinRJohnson]

What has Pastner done in the tournament? His teams never even made the sweet 16

Never in 4 tries, huh? C'mon.

Bo Ryan has never made the Final Four, often with very high seeds....what a loser.

That said, I have no idea why anyone is even talking about Pastner. Why would he leave Memphis to come to MU?

[WadeATKBurton]

Never in 4 tries, huh? C'mon.

Bo Ryan has never made the Final Four, often with very high seeds....what a loser.

That said, I have no idea why anyone is even talking about Pastner. Why would he leave Memphis to come to MU?

Exactly

[Marquette_g]

I don't think Josh is anymore that a pipe dream, but he would be my absolute first choice even over Shaka. Young, great recruiter who seems to have an incredibly high ceiling.

[WadeATKBurton]

Never in 4 tries, huh? C'mon.

Bo Ryan has never made the Final Four, often with very high seeds....what a loser.

That said, I have no idea why anyone is even talking about Pastner. Why would he leave Memphis to come to MU?

Cuonzo made the sweet 16 in 3 tries by the way

[Tums Festival]

Five years at Memphis, and his worst record is 24-10 (twice).  And his recruiting record is better than Martin or Buzz.  If the goal is a young, energetic guy with a (brief) track record of success, Pastner has shown me more than Martin.

Oh, and for those giving credit to Martin for following the Pearl fiasco, recall that Pastner followed Cal, who got Memphis in a bit of hot water himself.

Why is is that many give Martin "credit" for following after Pearl, but Pastner "suspicion" for following after Cal?

Ask yourself what the bigger challenge is. Follow a coach that was fired for rules violations where you have nowhere to go but up, or follow a coach that had the best winning percentage in school history and came off a Final Four run? Plus you could argue the expectations are higher at Memphis than Tennessee for men's basketball.

[john31]

Inmates running the asylum?


The intent of my point was they would "gauge their interest"....not "pick the coach".  Give them an additional bit of information when considering the candidates.

I don't see how you gauge interest without some implication of them having a seat at the table for the hiring of a head coach. Just ask Ben H. or Bruce Weber how things work out when you blur the lines. Short answer is it doesn't. I am so ready to be done with this process, I don't see many great options out there for MU. I think we will be just fine though maybe a 20% chance we slide back into mediocrity?

[Silkk the Shaka]

No proof he can recruit at a high level. And listing all the players he's missed out on does not help your argument. Plus, the SEC isn't exactly known for their commitment to academics.

Landing two 5* players at UT in a three year tenure isn't high level recruiting? What am I missing?

[Silkk the Shaka]

Pastner advocates: what makes you think he wants any part of MU? Why would he leave Memphis?

[WadeATKBurton]

Pastner advocates: what makes you think he wants any part of MU? Why would he leave Memphis?

Long shot isnt even the word. NO CHANCE

Wouldnt be happy with that hire anyway