Martin ends up getting the job

[bean]

For those that think this is a good hire, tell me where I am wrong:

Two possible outcomes for Martin at MU

1. He struggles and is let go after 5 seasons
2. He has success and bails to a big 10 school in 5 seasons

How is this better than howland?

You are assuming it is an either/or thing with Howland and Martin.  We don't even know what Howland's demands are.   He might be asking for the moon for all we know.

[GooooMarquette]

so you're saying we should look for someone with less experience.  surely not someone who took his first team to a conf champ in his first stint and his second team to the S16 after the previous coach was banned from coaching for a few years wouldn't have a better resume.  

i'd be very happy with howland, but if they don't hire him, they probably have good reason.  after howland, martin is probably as good as it gets.

I'm saying we should go for Howland - period.  Lots of evidence that he wants the job.  So no we should NOT go for someone with less experience.

[Milwarriorkee]

You are assuming it is an either/or thing with Howland and Martin.  We don't even know what Howland's demands are.   He might be asking for the moon for all we know.

Is there a school that can offer howland more at this time than us?

[Tums Festival]

Crap hire. Will get fired in three years with an overall losing record. Wake me when he's gone.

[NersEllenson]

For those that think this is a good hire, tell me where I am wrong:

Two possible outcomes for Martin at MU

1. He struggles and is let go after 5 seasons
2. He has success and bails to a big 10 school in 5 seasons

How is this better than howland?

Recruiting, recruiting, recruiting....has relationships with Hill, Stone, JJJ...and truth of the matter is, a 37 year old black dude, that has played college ball and in the NBA, is going to connect better with recruits than a 57 year old Howland.  It's one thing if we are UCLA...or even in the "old" Big East as Howland was at Pitt....but we aren't...I believe Cuonzo would do a better job recruiting....and his team just finished Top 20 in Offensive and Defensive efficiency - he can coach a little too.

And assume he has success in 5 years, perhaps he enjoys his time at MU, being the only game on campus, is paid as well as any coach in the country, has access to all of the best tools - private jets, Synergy/Sports Vu - and has solid character, and feels a degree of loyalty.

[denverMU]

Well, Martin has been #2 on the admin's list.  We all know who #1 was and how that went, so...

I'm not totally sure of that, I think Tony Bennett is #2.

[bean]

Is there a school that can offer howland more at this time than us?

Yes, retirement and fly fishing.

[🏀]

Martin could be coming here after being left for dead by Tennessee fans and then delivering a Sweet 16.

Treat him right both administratively and fanwise, the guy could entrench himself here

[79Warrior]

Recruiting, recruiting, recruiting....has relationships with Hill, Stone, JJJ...and truth of the matter is, a 37 year old black dude, that has played college ball and in the NBA, is going to connect better with recruits than a 57 year old Howland.  It's one thing if we are UCLA...or even in the "old" Big East as Howland was at Pitt....but we aren't...I believe Cuonzo would do a better job recruiting....and his team just finished Top 20 in Offensive and Defensive efficiency - he can coach a little too.

And assume he has success in 5 years, perhaps he enjoys his time at MU, being the only game on campus, is paid as well as any coach in the country, has access to all of the best tools - private jets, Synergy/Sports Vu - and has solid character, and feels a degree of loyalty.

See Kevin Love and Russell Westbrook.

[GooooMarquette]

See Kevin Love and Russell Westbrook.

Yeah, why would any kid want to listen to a coach who has sent 14 guys to the NBA?

Howland can't recruit - lol.

[mr.MUskie]

Recruiting, recruiting, recruiting....has relationships with Hill, Stone, JJJ...and truth of the matter is, a 37 year old black dude, that has played college ball and in the NBA,

And lost Hill and JJJ to a short, white dude that never played ball.

[LastWarrior]

Martin will get the job IMO and will happen quickly.

Goose not being a smart a$$ but did the Shaka finally say no?

[denverMU]

We now have two coaches we can interview who lost tonight

[Niv Berkowitz]

Howland Howland Howland!

If we dont even offer him....christ ill be speechless.

[denverMU]

Howland Howland Howland!

If we dont even offer him....christ ill be speechless.

I like him too but I hear he is #3 on the list.

[LastWarrior]

I say Howland then Bennett.  Martin is above Wardle but neither sends a shock down my leg.

[NersEllenson]

See Kevin Love and Russell Westbrook.

See...Westwood/Los Angeles - see downtown Milwaukee.  Think Howland could have gotten love to Milwaukee from Oregon?  

I'm not saying Howland CAN'T recruit...just that L.A., and UCLA to Milwaukee and Marquette aren't exactly apples to apples..

And lost Hill and JJJ to a short, white dude that never played ball.

Fair point...only rebuttal I'd make is Buzz had more skins on the wall at that time than Cuonzo..been at MU 6 years...and 3 Sweet 16 appearances in a row with an Elite 8 to point to and some good development of Jimmy, Jae, Lazar...

[MUSF]

Howland Howland Howland!

If we dont even offer him....christ ill be speechless.

It's quite possible you will be speechless.

I don't understand how it's so mind blowing that some may not want to bring a guy in that has baggage. I would be okay with hiring BH, but I understand why some in the administration and BoT may not.

[Coleman]

For real? A guy with one NCAA appearance in 6 years as a head coach?

[chapman]

For real? A guy with one NCAA appearance in 6 years as a head coach?

For real.  Gotta set that bar low and rationalize the others away as a way to justify incompetence.

[NotAnAlum]

has relationships with Hill, Stone, JJJ

Ners - are you just speculating on these relationships or is there some evidence that Martin was/is a serious contender for these guys?
While I agree with the benefits of a young black coach certainly isn't known as a great recruiter as for instance Crean or O'Neill were.  Buzz's magic was how he connected with kid's moms.  The god fearing, I'll guide your son to adulthood play.  Martin kind of seems like the kind of guy that wouldn't have the patience for recruiting.  Just a hunch.

[avid1010]

It's quite possible you will be speechless.

I don't understand how it's so mind blowing that some may not want to bring a guy in that has baggage. I would be okay with hiring BH, but I understand why some in the administration and BoT may not.

+1...i know the respect the process thing has been made a joke, but cords and co. deserve some trust and having doc advising on the process makes me feel good as well.  i'm sure he's a busy guy right now, but his advice is worth more than any advice given on here. 

[Niv Berkowitz]

I like him too but I hear he is #3 on the list.

If he's a #3, then MUs administration is nothing but a bunch if #2.

[GurneeHitchkr]

Should it be Howland, Martin, Wardle??  What makes any of us think we know more than our Marquette administrative leaders?  They've been doing what they do longer than most of us have been alive.  "Respect the Process" we've been told by many on this board, yet we keep talking like we know everything.  We don't. Just be patient and let it play out.  We'll find out soon enough.  They aren't listening to us or asking for our opinion anyway.  (There were four great games tonight in the Tourney.  Enjoy the games and quit worrying about our future coach).  It'll happen......eventually.

[kryza]

Let's not forget that it seems that this hire is more about program "prestige" than coaching abilities.

Martin is probably the best bet right now, because he's got a great record and also from a big SEC school. People like Howland because he's from UCLA but totally forget about his slow playing style and questionable coaching habits.

If we could forget about the prestige aspect, Wardle is a no brainer IMO. He would give it 110% and he's well liked amongst everybody...but he's not a sexy hire.

We are all hoping this hire will elevate Marquette's (and the BE) status, so I say Martin is the best of both worlds.