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Quote from: atk13thst on March 28, 2014, 09:01:06 PM
My top 3 wish list

1. Martin
2. Howland
3. Manning (long shot)

Wardle would be a nightmare


None of the above.

Tums Festival

Although Tennessee put forth a valiant effort, in the end it was the "hot" young coach with questionable recruiting ability and a veteran team losing to an older veteran coach with a proven record of recruiting ability and success with a young team.

And of course we all know how important academics are in the SEC too!

Please MU, pass on Martin.
"Every day ends with a Tums festival!"

WadeATKBurton

Quote from: cj111 on March 28, 2014, 08:58:39 PM
No. Just no.  I'm not advocating for Martin to come to MU, but in no way is Tennessee more talented than Michigan.

Right. Michigan has about 4 nba guys to Tennessee's 1 maybe?


MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Quote from: Eldon on March 28, 2014, 08:57:46 PM
At this rate he will have gone from walk-on to all-american in a matter of 4 days.


UPDATE: Just checked DraftExpress and they have the Jazz taking him in the first round.  Wow.

It's all about the reps..  I like to grind hard.  

mr.MUskie


NersEllenson

Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 28, 2014, 08:52:41 PM
LMAO!!!  What a poor rebuttal!!!  I was talking about the game tonight and you didn't mention one part about it.  Did you even watch it?  Cuonzo was out-coached buddy... do you even know how to spot someone being out-coached?

Tennessee was longer around the perimeter and it took them until halftime to make adjustments.  Those adjustments should have been made in the first half.  That is on the coach...  Cuonzo lost them that game.  

Look dude...you said TN doesn't play good D - they are Top 20 in the country..15th to be exact.  And you want to suggest Buzz would have coached better tonight?  We were 96th on offense and 80th in defense.  Know what TN was in offense?  17th.  Michigan was a seed I believe?  TN an 11.  Michigan should have won the game...

WAnt to talk about adjustments?  How did TN cut it to 1 point game with 9 seconds left after trailing by 11 at the half. Seems to me adjustments were made.

Do you want to continue the debate after person after person here just owns you?
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013


GooooMarquette

Quote from: atk13thst on March 28, 2014, 09:01:06 PM
My top 3 wish list

1. Martin
2. Howland
3. Manning (long shot)

Wardle would be a nightmare

1.  No way in hell.
2.  YES
3.  No.

Wardle - agreed.

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Quote from: atk13thst on March 28, 2014, 09:04:23 PM
Right. Michigan has about 4 nba guys to Tennessee's 1 maybe?

Tennessee killed Michigan in the 2nd half.  Michigan shot lights out in the 1st because Tennessee was disorganized on defense.   Why didn't Cuonzo make adjustments in the 1st half?

avid1010

#110
this is a boring thread...the vast majority of it reads "this user is currently ignored"...and that's just two posters.  

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Quote from: Ners on March 28, 2014, 09:06:59 PM
Look dude...you said TN doesn't play good D - they are Top 20 in the country..15th to be exact.  And you want to suggest Buzz would have coached better tonight?  We were 96th on offense and 80th in defense.  Know what TN was in offense?  17th.  Michigan was a seed I believe?  TN an 11.  Michigan should have won the game...

WAnt to talk about adjustments?  How did TN cut it to 1 point game with 9 seconds left after trailing by 11 at the half. Seems to me adjustments were made.

Do you want to continue the debate after person after person here just owns you?

I know this is a tough question for you..... but why didn't Cuonzo make defensive adjustments in the 1st half?  I will tell you why.....  He's not a good coach or maybe he not experienced enough yet.   Otherwise, Tennessee was much more atheltic and longer.  Once they made adjustments, Michigan was toast.  Poor coaching beat Tennessee not Michigan. 

WadeATKBurton

Quote from: Ners on March 28, 2014, 09:06:59 PM
Look dude...you said TN doesn't play good D - they are Top 20 in the country..15th to be exact.  And you want to suggest Buzz would have coached better tonight?  We were 96th on offense and 80th in defense.  Know what TN was in offense?  17th.  Michigan was a seed I believe?  TN an 11.  Michigan should have won the game...

WAnt to talk about adjustments?  How did TN cut it to 1 point game with 9 seconds left after trailing by 11 at the half. Seems to me adjustments were made.

Do you want to continue the debate after person after person here just owns you?

PREACH!

Indeed Michigan should have won. They were the better team! To say that Martin was out coached is laughable. And to say that Brent would have won that game is....im not gonna even say.

Ners,  dont even waste your time with him. Its obvious he dont know what he is talking about

brandx

Quote from: avid1010 on March 28, 2014, 09:09:00 PM
this is a boring thread...the vast majority of it reads "this user is currently ignored"...and that's just two posters.  

MikeDeane will go away after the new coach is hired. hoping....hoping....hoping....

WadeATKBurton


cheebs09

Also, I'd shudder to think what a Beilein coached team that shoots the 3 well would do to a Buzz Williams coached defense. Yes, we beat them that one year in an early season tournament, but that team wasn't nearly as good as the last two years Michigan teams.

NersEllenson

Quote from: atk13thst on March 28, 2014, 09:13:47 PM
PREACH!

Indeed Michigan should have won. They were the better team! To say that Martin was out coached is laughable. And to say that Brent would have won that game is....im not gonna even say.

Ners,  dont even waste your time with him. Its obvious he dont know what he is talking about

Agree - In his view anytime a team trails at any point in time in the game of basketball the coach isn't making proper adjustments.  Whatever.  I'd say plenty of adjustments were made.  TN is NOT that athletic...Maymon and Stokes are heavy on their feet...albeit physical presences...but Michigan with Robinson, Stalskus, Levert, Irvin...those guys all probably play in the NBA one day...

Martin has a lot more to talk with recruits about in this day and age than does Howland - and he just proved this season, as well as the previous 5...he can coach.  He's young, played college ball, played in NBA in last 10 years....that stuff reasonates...and now has a Sweet 16 under his belt..

"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

WadeATKBurton

Quote from: cheebs09 on March 28, 2014, 09:16:46 PM
Also, I'd shudder to think what a Beilein coached team that shoots the 3 well would do to a Buzz Williams coached defense. Yes, we beat them that one year in an early season tournament, but that team wasn't nearly as good as the last two years Michigan teams.

Brent is overrated. .yea he took us the elite 8 and 2 sweet 16s blah blah blah. I wasnt never a fan of his because he never played his BEST 5 players!

WadeATKBurton

Brent wont last 3 years at VA Tech. Mark my word! Done deal or however yall wanna spin it! Im going to bed!

cheebs09

Quote from: atk13thst on March 28, 2014, 09:19:49 PM
Brent is overrated. .yea he took us the elite 8 and 2 sweet 16s blah blah blah. I wasnt never a fan of his because he never played his BEST 5 players!

I didn't say that. I think Buzz is a very good coach. Better at X's and O's than he's been given credit for. However, I don't see him going up well against Beilein.

His first 5 years, I think he was great. Last year, not so much. I'm hoping the next coach is able to play freshman more. Buzz was very successful with experienced talent. People mentioned Martin's lack of recruiting (which has been slightly disproven). I saw somewhere a person posted how he usually does pretty well playing freshman.

I think Buzz made things too complex on defense that most freshman couldn't live up to his expectations to get time. I wouldn't mind a simpler scheme that allows players to pick up on it quicker and develop in the system, rather than riding the bench since they can't learn the defense. See Burton early on and JuJuan.

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Quote from: Ners on March 28, 2014, 09:18:41 PM
Agree - In his view anytime a team trails at any point in time in the game of basketball the coach isn't making proper adjustments.  Whatever.  I'd say plenty of adjustments were made.  



Stunning analysis on the game....  You still haven't explained the drastic differences in the two halves.   .......  This forum would be soooo much more interesting if people knew anything about actual basketball.   

mechaghidorah

Quote from: Ners on March 28, 2014, 09:18:41 PM
Agree - In his view anytime a team trails at any point in time in the game of basketball the coach isn't making proper adjustments.  Whatever.  I'd say plenty of adjustments were made.  TN is NOT that athletic...Maymon and Stokes are heavy on their feet...albeit physical presences...but Michigan with Robinson, Stalskus, Levert, Irvin...those guys all probably play in the NBA one day...

Martin has a lot more to talk with recruits about in this day and age than does Howland - and he just proved this season, as well as the previous 5...he can coach.  He's young, played college ball, played in NBA in last 10 years....that stuff reasonates...and now has a Sweet 16 under his belt..



Howland can make some pretty interesting talk with recruits discussing all the guys that he's put in the NBA.  I would think that would resonate pretty strongly.

WadeATKBurton

Quote from: cheebs09 on March 28, 2014, 09:27:31 PM
I didn't say that. I think Buzz is a very good coach. Better at X's and O's than he's been given credit for. However, I don't see him going up well against Beilein.

His first 5 years, I think he was great. Last year, not so much. I'm hoping the next coach is able to play freshman more. Buzz was very successful with experienced talent. People mentioned Martin's lack of recruiting (which has been slightly disproven). I saw somewhere a person posted how he usually does pretty well playing freshman.

I think Buzz made things too complex on defense that most freshman couldn't live up to his expectations to get time. I wouldn't mind a simpler scheme that allows players to pick up on it quicker and develop in the system, rather than riding the bench since they can't learn the defense. See Burton early on and JuJuan.

Spot on.

Seemed like our players played tight with Brent too. Very frustrating.

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Quote from: mechaghidorah on March 28, 2014, 09:31:13 PM
Howland can make some pretty interesting talk with recruits discussing all the guys that he's put in the NBA.  I would think that would resonate pretty strongly.

I concur.  How does that guy even know what Martin says to his players or any recruits?  It's a pretty lame comment.  He's only saying that because Martin is younger and is assuming Howland is some out of touch old guy.  lmao !!!

NersEllenson

Quote from: mechaghidorah on March 28, 2014, 09:31:13 PM
Howland can make some pretty interesting talk with recruits discussing all the guys that he's put in the NBA.  I would think that would resonate pretty strongly.

Definitely don't disagree with you on this point...although of his guys in the NBA - how many came from UCLA, and how many from Pitt?  Recruiting to UCLA is quite the luxury...to land 5 star talent..
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

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