A-10 gets 6 bids? Big East 4 (sorry didn't see Xavier)

[NersEllenson]

Wow...just wow....

VCU
St. Joes (conference champ so okay)
St. Louis (hard to aruge)
UMASS
George Washington
Dayton???

And Providence gets an 11 seed.  Clearly the committee didn't think a whole lot about Big East...sad day....and I won't even mention us missing the NIT.  WOW.

[ChuckyChip]

X is in

It looks like maybe X and NC State were the final two at large teams.

[MU82]

Ummmm ... Xavier made it.

[Tugg Speedman]

SEC got 3 bids, the AAC is screaming that Louisville is a 4 seed and SMU was hosed. 

What's your point?

Is X going back to the A10 and make less money?  We make more money and anyone of them would jump the the NBE in a heartbeat.  Who should we poach?

[chapman]

Doesn't seem all that bad to get four bids in a year when the preseason 1 and 2 crapped the bed.  Maybe see how it goes in another year or two and bring in some more meat if necessary.

[buckchuckler]

Wow...just wow....

VCU
St. Joes (conference champ so okay)
St. Louis (hard to aruge)
UMASS
George Washington
Dayton???

And Providence gets an 11 seed.  Clearly the committee didn't think a whole lot about Big East...sad day....and I won't even mention us missing the NIT.  WOW.

Don't be silly.  Dayton deserves to be in.  

[Coleman]

Wow...just wow....

VCU
St. Joes (conference champ so okay)
St. Louis (hard to aruge)
UMASS
George Washington
Dayton???

And Providence gets an 11 seed.  Clearly the committee didn't think a whole lot about Big East...sad day....and I won't even mention us missing the NIT.  WOW.

No surprises. The committee was fair

[NersEllenson]

Don't be silly.  Dayton deserves to be in.  

Dayton deserves to be in?  Really?  Ken Pomroy has them 53.  GTown is 54 in Ken Pom.  Dayton's best win?  Gonzaga on Neutral floor in late November.  Next best win #34 St. Louis

Losses:
139 Illinois State
159 USC
106 Rhode Island

Sorry....not impressed..given how weak the middle and bottom of A-10 are...and particularly when you think GTown beat the Runner Up VCU and Marquette beat 3rd place finisher George Washington by 16.  Pretty bad when the 7th place team in our league beats runner up...in A-10...and you give a Berth to Dayton over St. John's...

[🏀]

Dayton did not belong.

[Sir Lawrence]

Dayton did not belong.

Yes. Dayton should be in the NIT.

[brandx]

Weak league!!

2 good teams
5 mediocre teams
3 bad teams

[GB Warrior]

We have a good conference, but it was not elite this year. The teams that we lost are going to force us to rely more heavily on OOC scheduling, because without the likes of Syracuse, Louisville, and occasionally Pitt and Cincy, we simply cannot put the same stock into Big East teams beating up on one another. It will take some big runs by those that make the Dance (especially the teams that aren't considered elite) to change that perception. However, I don't know that it's perception at this point.

[Class71]

Think Marquette and NBE have considerably work to do to gain respect. We have known that for some time but seeing the reality is hard to swallow. Also not sure if any of the four that made the dance will have a good run. Having said that NBE could get big press if Providence stays on fire. Everyone loves an underdog.

[ChicosBailBonds]

When Marquette and Georgetown failed to show up this year, it did not help the league from a perception standpoint or power ratings. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Who will be surprised if Nova loses to UW-milwaukee in their opening game?  I hope it doesn't happen, Nova has way too much talent, but nothing would surprise me.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Wow...just wow....

VCU
St. Joes (conference champ so okay)
St. Louis (hard to aruge)
UMASS
George Washington
Dayton???

One of these things is not like the others....

[ChicosBailBonds]

One of these things is not like the others....

Look at the RPI and it will answer everything for you guys....why you continue to ignore it is beyond me.

[NersEllenson]

Look at the RPI and it will answer everything for you guys....why you continue to ignore it is beyond me.

What is Dayton's RPI?  I hate the RPI...The A-10 has 4 teams with Ken Pom ratings of 100+ and 1 team with a 200+ ranking (Fordham).  Big East has 1 team sub 100 - DePaul at 175. Dayton to their benefit only scheduled 2 games against 300+ Ken Pom teams...

[ChicosBailBonds]

What is Dayton's RPI?  I hate the RPI...The A-10 has 4 teams with Ken Pom ratings of 100+ and 1 team with a 200+ ranking (Fordham).  Big East has 1 team sub 100 - DePaul at 175. Dayton to their benefit only scheduled 2 games against 300+ Ken Pom teams...

Hate it all you want, if this year doesn't put the final nail in the coffin on its reliance I don't know what to tell you.  See here

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=42640.0

[drewm88]

Sorry if this has already been posted, but the selection committee chair implied on ESPN that Providence was on the outside looking in if they hadn't beaten Creighton last night.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2014/story/_/id/10620737/2014-ncaa-tournament-selection-committee-chair-discusses-process


Just one game makes our conference look a lot better. 3 teams and only 1 non-newcomer is a storyline that I don't think 4 total and 2 classic teams is.

[brandx]

Sorry if this has already been posted, but the selection committee chair implied on ESPN that Providence was on the outside looking in if they hadn't beaten Creighton last night.

And if we beat X, we may have only had 2 teams in.

[buckchuckler]

Dayton deserves to be in?  Really?  Ken Pomroy has them 53.  GTown is 54 in Ken Pom.  Dayton's best win?  Gonzaga on Neutral floor in late November.  Next best win #34 St. Louis

Losses:
139 Illinois State
159 USC
106 Rhode Island

Sorry....not impressed..given how weak the middle and bottom of A-10 are...and particularly when you think GTown beat the Runner Up VCU and Marquette beat 3rd place finisher George Washington by 16.  Pretty bad when the 7th place team in our league beats runner up...in A-10...and you give a Berth to Dayton over St. John's...

Dayton had 4 top 30 RPI wins and 6 more in the top 100.  They had an RPI in the 40s and a SOS in the mid 50s.   

Don't let your hate cloud your vision.  They should have made it this year. 

St. John's had 2 top 50 wins, 4 more top 100 wins.  They had a SOS right at 50, fewer wins, more losses and an RPI in the mid 60s. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Dayton had 4 top 30 RPI wins and 6 more in the top 100.  They had an RPI in the 40s and a SOS in the mid 50s.   

Don't let your hate cloud your vision.  They should have made it this year. 

St. John's had 2 top 50 wins, 4 more top 100 wins.  They had a SOS right at 50, fewer wins, more losses and an RPI in the mid 60s. 

It all comes down to what system is used.....it is clear as day what system the committee uses and has been for decades.

[Lennys Tap]

Who will be surprised if Nova loses to UW-milwaukee in their opening game?  I hope it doesn't happen, Nova has way too much talent, but nothing would surprise me.

Can it happen? Sure, anything's possible. But it's a long shot. Who will be surprised? I will, Rob Jeter will, his players will and anyone who knows anything about basketball and the laws of probability will. As a matter of fact, you might be the only one who isn't.

[NersEllenson]

Dayton had 4 top 30 RPI wins and 6 more in the top 100.  They had an RPI in the 40s and a SOS in the mid 50s.   

Don't let your hate cloud your vision.  They should have made it this year. 

St. John's had 2 top 50 wins, 4 more top 100 wins.  They had a SOS right at 50, fewer wins, more losses and an RPI in the mid 60s. 

I don't hate Dayton...just think their resume is pretty weak. Think A-10 is WAY overrated...what is their best out of conference win as a league?  Top 100.  So Dayton had 10 wins against Top 100 and MU had 8...not a huge disparity. 

Care to address the reality that there are 5 Sub 100 teams in the A-10, while Big East has 1?  And Dayton piled up 6 wins against those Sub 100 A-10 teams...and not to mention the 3 losses to Sub 100 teams...MU had ZERO losses against Sub 100 teams per Ken Pom...

This isn't even a debate about MU having any business in the NCAA..they don't..of course...just shocked to see DAyton in the field...especially with SMU sitting out...no comparison between those two teams resumes...

Who are Dayton's 4 Top 30 wins?  St. Louis and Gonzaga I imagine?  Pretty sure you will see SLU get bounced in Round of 32...