Where's The Talent?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Semantics...obviously.  Show me production, and I'll show you talent.  Did the same coaches vote him 2nd team All Big East after conference season was played?

It was semantics that 9 other Big East coaches of their own free will and accord chose the Big East teams prior to the season and Jamil got enough votes to be named 2nd team?

You're right, he didn't make it after the conference season was played.  So the question is why?  The talent is there, it didn't materialize.  Why?  If someone says it is coaching, well they are comical.  If someone says it is Jamil's fault...then what?  If someone says both of them, are they half comical?

Semantics

[NickelDimer]

smh

I clearly stated it happens to all programs at some point.  Sometimes coaches just can't get it out of their players.  It may be the player's fault, the coach's fault, both...who knows.  Point is, as you stated, the production isn't there.

If I don't get the production out of my employees, one of few things happens.  Either that employee is blamed or I am blamed....or both.  That's how the world works.  No different in athletics at this level.

Totally agree with what you said here. All of it. But come on, I responded to this quote...

The kid has a lot of talent, but for whatever reason Buzz hasn't been able to tap it.  This happens with every program and to every coach at some point.

That clearly places the blame squarely on Buzz. If that's not what you intented then so be it, but there's no room for interpretation there. At least not the way I read it

[NickelDimer]

It was semantics that 9 other Big East coaches of their own free will and accord chose the Big East teams prior to the season and Jamil got enough votes to be named 2nd team?

You're right, he didn't make it after the conference season was played.  So the question is why?  The talent is there, it didn't materialize.  Why?  If someone says it is coaching, well they are comical.  If someone says it is Jamil's fault...then what?  If someone says both of them, are they half comical?

Semantics

No, the potential was there.  Talent is best measured in results.  Results which Jamil never materialized

[The Equalizer]

Ahhh, I see.  This was laid as a foundation to take the "it's Buzz' fault" angle.  Comical...and transparent

Are you seriously suggesting that Chicos somehow got the rest of the BE coaches to put Jamil on the 2nd team preseason simply to "lay a foundation" to blame Buzz at the end of the year if Jamil underperformed?

Yes, that is comical.

[MUHoopsFan2]

Jamil is a drifter and he defers too much and lacks toughness.

Many of you thought Vander was too cocky but as Buzz said Van had some dog in him....he was fearless and confident in himself and had a swagger to him and could go get you one when you need it. Jamil can't do that.

I think he was hurt more by Vander leaving then Vander was hurt by leaving if we are being frank about it. He needed that kind of personality next to him to take the pressure off him. I thougth that was Todd Mayo but he did not play enough.

Vander was a lighting rod for that but you NEED THOSE KIND OF GUYS...you need some arrogance to be as good as you want to be and not just what you think you are.

Jamil does not have any dog in him. In Al McGuire speak he plays like he lives in a house with grass in his yard not a cracked sidewalk. LOL... [Now granted I have no idea where in Racine Jamil lives or whether that is true of not. I am just using that as an analogy partly to be humorous and mainly to convey a point I want to make.]

He coaches too much and thinks too much and does not do enough at the right times and should just hush and play at times.

Some guys don't have a heart for it even though they have the skill and the ideal basketball body. He doesn't like contact. He doesn't like risking his shot getting blocked so he does not mix it up down low and is too fragile when he misses shots early.

But he doesn't have it inside them. High bball IQ but is unlike Wesley who knows how to apply it. That is not Buzz's fault.

[NickelDimer]

Are you seriously suggesting that Chicos somehow got the rest of the BE coaches to put Jamil on the 2nd team preseason simply to "lay a foundation" to blame Buzz at the end of the year if Jamil underperformed?

Yes, that is comical.

Uhhh no...no I wasn't. Maybe re-read it

[WellsstreetWanderer]

The team Buzz put out on the floor could not shoot. If you can't shoot you cannot score......
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[ChicosBailBonds]

The team Buzz put out on the floor could not shoot. If you can't shoot you cannot score......
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Maybe he should recruit some guys who can shoot?

[forgetful]

Maybe he should recruit some guys who can shoot?

I really do wonder where are shooting woes come from.  I don't think it is as simple as not recruiting guys who can shoot.  I wonder if our weight training program is affecting our shooting.

[keefe]

I really do wonder where are shooting woes come from.  I don't think it is as simple as not recruiting guys who can shoot.  I wonder if our weight training program is affecting our shooting.

This is why we need to bring in a certified ballet instructor so that the team can improve its finesse and agility. And a strict regimen of gargling, too. Listerine, not Scope.

[WarriorFan]

Regarding the freshmen, what I see from the three played is that 2 of them had close to zero coaching coming into the MU program. Dawson has some fundamentals and at times struggled with the pace of the BE game.  That's OK.  The other two spent the year in "remedial basketball" for the uncoached.  Burton figured out a few things sooner, so he got PT.  (actually, all he figured out was some basics of man defense, but still not much) and JJJ really didn't get a chance to show if he figured out anything... but I can tell you that his shooting form will NOT stand the test of time.  He's going to need to learn to shoot properly.  Again, fundamentals.  This is not on Buzz.  I'm sure he knew this and didn't plan to play any of them other than spot minutes because he had Vander, Jake, Mayo, Derrick, Juan, etc.  It's on their HS and AAU coaches. 

I look for HUGE things from all 4 freshmen as long as they commit to learning the fundamentals and keep up in the classroom.  These are all incredibly talented individuals, who have been done a dis-service (except possibly Dawson) by the system that brought them here. 

For those that think I'm full of sh*t, refer to Taylor, Steven Jr.  He comes from an outstanding program with years of excellent coaching.  He has fundamentals.  He understands positioning - zone and man.  Look at the difference between him and the others as a freshman... and that alone tells you the story. 

[Blackhat]

This team is loaded with talent. DG, Otule, Mayo, Burton, Dawson... Buzz just didn't know how to use it this year.

Buzz has said since day 1,  you're only as good as your proven returning upperclassmen.  Not  much there to get off to a good start.  Davante but he sucks at D and rebounding.  Ultimately it is Buzz's fault he didn't have the roster ready but Blue going hurt.