Derrick Wilson

[Big Papi]

Walking the ball up the court with 11 seconds left in a tie game so there's no clock left for a shot? And up a score in the second OT and you travel with no one within 20 feet?

I love his heart and effort but mental mistakes like these and a 1 pont, 3 assist box score...

I didn't realize he was the only one with mental mistakes.  Fouls that result in four point plays, silly turnovers, bad fouls from others were just as bad.

[mattyv1908]

I didn't realize he was the only one with mental mistakes.  Fouls that result in four point plays, silly turnovers, bad fouls from others were just as bad.

Even with two air fouls on Mayo (and a return air foul that allowed Mayo to send it to OT), we lose by 12+ without him.  We probably win in regulation without Derrick missing a 6" shot and going 1-4 from the FT line.

[Big Papi]

This is, of course, absolutely true. Derrick isn't the one who is playing Derrick. He is what he is. It's not his fault he plays 30-40 mpg.

It doesn't mean we can't be frustrated when he travels 30 feet from the basket with absolutely no intention of going to the hoop or when he misses a layup that moste 7th grade girls can make, though.

Really?  We are going use the elementary/middle school girl can make a layup?  Yea because in the history of college basketball, Derrick is the only player to have ever missed a contested layup.

[Shark]

Even with two air fouls on Mayo (and a return air foul that allowed Mayo to send it to OT), we lose by 12+ without him.  We probably win in regulation without Derrick missing a 6" shot and going 1-4 from the FT line.

Yeah, but that guy is capable of making plays, making free throws, and scored 25 more points. Mayo is a much better player than Derrick. Case closed.

[Big Papi]

Even with two air fouls on Mayo (and a return air foul that allowed Mayo to send it to OT), we lose by 12+ without him.  We probably win in regulation without Derrick missing a 6" shot and going 1-4 from the FT line.

Mayo played a whale of a game but Derrick is not the only player on that team that made mental mistakes.  Derrick doesn't score but he did contribute to good and bad plays as did everyone else who stepped on the court tonight.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

I'm somewhat confounded and disappointed by Derrick's play today (and other times during the season), but semi-mortified by the over the top negative responses by posters on this board. It's like a feeding frenzy. This is a message board so expressing dissatisfaction at his play is fair game, but the vitriol is unwarranted. So many feel they need to be even nastier than the preceding nasty comment so that it just exponentially mushrooms. Just a sorry spectacle.

It's easy to be a fan when the team is winning; not so much when it is struggling.  Try taking a breath before posting and keep it more analytical, less personal.

[mattyv1908]

Yeah, but that guy is capable of making plays, making free throws, and scored 25 more points. Mayo is a much better player than Derrick. Case closed.

What are you trying to say here?  Mayo is a division one talent so he deserves more scrutiny than a our minute leading PG who contributes nothing and has key turnovers with the lead in both OTs.  You really don't have a pulse on this team do you?

[Afroman]

mufanatic,

How often do you polish the little league participation trophies that sit proudly on your shelf?

[Shark]

What are you trying to say here?  Mayo is a division one talent so he deserves more scrutiny than a our minute leading PG who contributes nothing and has key turnovers with the lead in both OTs.  You really don't have a pulse on this team do you?

meant to qoute post above you, sorry

[humanlung]

I didn't realize he was the only one with mental mistakes.  Fouls that result in four point plays, silly turnovers, bad fouls from others were just as bad.

You are right, totally right.  Many, many errors this year by all of the players.  These were just particularly hard to handle as there was no reason for them.

[keefe]

[murphmurphy]

MU fan, your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to park your butt and the butts of any associates you choose at any sports book in Las Vegas with 30 or 40 screens and watch every college basketball game (including the NIT) from now until a NCAA Tournament Champion is crowned, and find one point guard worse than Derrick Wilson.  As always, should you or any of your team or associates pass out or get kicked out of the casino for drunken disorderly conduct, the secretary will disavow any knowledge of your identity, your bar tab, and your Marquette transcripts.  Good luck and don't feel bad if you fail.  This could be the most "Impossible Mission" of all time.

[Sunbelt15]

He's going to get significant minutes next year

And this will be the problem.

[CTWarrior]

Really?  We are going use the elementary/middle school girl can make a layup?  Yea because in the history of college basketball, Derrick is the only player to have ever missed a contested layup.

Two points. 
1.  It really wasn't contested much.  A regular D-I NCAA guard makes that layup 99% of the time.
2.  Was anybody really surprised that he missed it?  I sure wasn't.

Now, I am not a Derrick Wilson fan and never have been and he was beyond useless with the ball yesterday.  But I thought that was the best defensive performance by an MU player at any position that I have seen all year. 

[Lighthouse 84]

Now, I am not a Derrick Wilson fan and never have been and he was beyond useless with the ball yesterday.  But I thought that was the best defensive performance by an MU player at any position that I have seen all year. 

For the first time last night, I actually was thinking his defense does not justify his lack of offense.  Would Cotton have scored 4 more points if someone else was guarding him?  Probably so.  But someone else may have scored 6 and not one. 

Frustrating game.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Two points. 
1.  It really wasn't contested much.  A regular D-I NCAA guard makes that layup 99% of the time.
2.  Was anybody really surprised that he missed it?  I sure wasn't.

Now, I am not a Derrick Wilson fan and never have been and he was beyond useless with the ball yesterday.  But I thought that was the best defensive performance by an MU player at any position that I have seen all year. 

Come on man. I'm not a Derrick hater on this board, but his primary responsibility went for 25 & 9 and combined the backcourt went for 40 & 12. He put forth max effort which I can appreciate, but at a certain point it doesn't matter if you can't stop the guy from putting the ball in the hoop, or from helping his teammates do the same.

[CTWarrior]

Come on man. I'm not a Derrick hater on this board, but his primary responsibility went for 25 & 9 and combined the backcourt went for 40 & 12. He put forth max effort which I can appreciate, but at a certain point it doesn't matter if you can't stop the guy from putting the ball in the hoop, or from helping his teammates do the same.

On 5 -16 shooting and at least 3 (maybe more) of his makes came either after switching and being guarded by someone else or while Derrick was on the bench.  He played 50 minutes and only got 16 shots and most of them not good looks. 

Look, I don't think Derrick is a great defender normally (good, not great) and I agree that whatever he provides on defense is more than nullified by his ineptitude on offense, but I think he had a great night on defense. 

[MU82]

Two points. 
1.  It really wasn't contested much.  A regular D-I NCAA guard makes that layup 99% of the time.
2.  Was anybody really surprised that he missed it?  I sure wasn't.

Now, I am not a Derrick Wilson fan and never have been and he was beyond useless with the ball yesterday.  But I thought that was the best defensive performance by an MU player at any position that I have seen all year. 

I agree with every word of this.

That layup was barely contested and simply has to be made.

And Derrick did a very nice job on Cotton last night. The announcers said so repeatedly, and I said so during the game on several occasions to the person I watched the game with.

[ecompt]

On 5 -16 shooting and at least 3 (maybe more) of his makes came either after switching and being guarded by someone else or while Derrick was on the bench.  He played 50 minutes and only got 16 shots and most of them not good looks. 

Look, I don't think Derrick is a great defender normally (good, not great) and I agree that whatever he provides on defense is more than nullified by his ineptitude on offense, but I think he had a great night on defense. 

Therein lies the problem. Even when Derrick has a great night on defense he is outscored by the opposing PG by 10-15 points (or more) on a consistent basis. You cannot win when opponents don't have to ever guard your PG or when your PG is one of the worst FT-shooting point guards in the world. He plays hard but simply does not have the talent to play 35 minutes at this level. If he plays above Dawson and Duane Wilson next year, it is not going to matter who the other starters are.

[CTWarrior]

Therein lies the problem. Even when Derrick has a great night on defense he is outscored by the opposing PG by 10-15 points (or more) on a consistent basis. You cannot win when opponents don't have to ever guard your PG or when your PG is one of the worst FT-shooting point guards in the world. He plays hard but simply does not have the talent to play 35 minutes at this level. If he plays above Dawson and Duane Wilson next year, it is not going to matter who the other starters are.

No argument from me on any of the above.  He was a big net negative last night no matter how you slice it.  Just saying I thought that his defense was really good.

[Silkk the Shaka]

On 5 -16 shooting and at least 3 (maybe more) of his makes came either after switching and being guarded by someone else or while Derrick was on the bench.  He played 50 minutes and only got 16 shots and most of them not good looks. 

Look, I don't think Derrick is a great defender normally (good, not great) and I agree that whatever he provides on defense is more than nullified by his ineptitude on offense, but I think he had a great night on defense. 

I agree that he harassed Cotton and made life difficult for him. But in no way was that the best defensive performance at any position this season. Cotton was the difference make for PC. And no was was it the best ESPECIALLY when his foul on Cotton 40 feet from the basket put the game from +1 good guys to +1 bad guys.

[Windyplayer]

He's going to get significant minutes next year

Nope. He'll fall back into his appropriate role--a defensive specialist to spell either Duane Wilson or Noskowiak or Dawson. I love that that those guys are going to be pushing each other for minutes next year. One of them will emerge as the starter--likely Duane or Dawson.

The PG position is simply too crowded next year to give Derrick Wilson big minutes in good conscience. Fine, give him minunts against some cupcakes early on, but then let the true PGs step up in the Old Spice Classic and beyond.

I would love if Wilson assumed his role from last year. I didn't mind him in that capacity at all--he gave us valuable minutes. Problem is, diminishing returns and then counterproductivity kick in after around the 10 minute mark.

[KenoshaWarrior]

So he fouled on the inbounds pass?

Tried to pick off an inbound pass, liked the aggression, he played to win the game.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Nope. He'll fall back into his appropriate role--a defensive specialist to spell either Duane Wilson or Noskowiak or Dawson. I love that that those guys are going to be pushing each other for minutes next year. One of them will emerge as the starter--likely Duane or Dawson.

The PG position is simply too crowded next year to give Derrick Wilson big minutes in good conscience. Fine, give him minunts against some cupcakes early on, but then let the true PGs step up in the Old Spice Classic and beyond.

I would love if Wilson assumed his role from last year. I didn't mind him in that capacity at all--he gave us valuable minutes. Problem is, diminishing returns and then counterproductivity kick in after around the 10 minute mark.

Agree with this completely, except for the Noskowiak part. He'll be a senior in HS next year.

[Windyplayer]

Tried to pick off an inbound pass, liked the aggression, he played to win the game.

Sorry, that's not playing to win the game. That was an utterly carless play. 7.2 seconds on the clock and Cotton is going away from the basket to catch the inbound pass about 30 feet from the tin. You play lock down defense on that play and don't dare risk a foul in that situation especially given Cotton's proficiency at the FT line.

Also, what happens when Wilson steals it--he gets hacked, misses 2 FTs and they get it right back.