Horrendously coached year...

[MUSF]

I absolutely concede Burton and Dawson aren't near the defenders of Juan and Derrick...but...we've tried the other way for 27 games now...and we almost lost what should have been as close to a lock of a game as possible today.  Team isn't going ANYWHERE with this backcourt..

This team might not be going ANYWHERE this season, but Buzz isn't just the coach of one single MU team. He is the head of a program. Isn't it possible that many of Buzz's coaching decisions this year are significantly influenced by where he wants the program and young players to be in two to three years?

[willie warrior]

I really ought to put you on ignore, but your statements are dumber than Willie, so I want to see if you get even more ridiculous.

yup--MU wawa, one of the typical who if he disagrees starts the name calling. So predictable. Hide behind your post name and call names at somebody you disagree with. Because his is the only opinion that matters in his mind. Another dumb statement from Willie, right, wawa?

[nathanziarek]

Why some people think he is above criticism however is baffling.

Do you know what a straw man argument is? Where has anyone said Buzz is above criticism? What most of casual posters are tired of is the same post, day after day, ruining every thread, no matter how if topic. We get it and in many cases we even agree. Buzz's patterns this year have been confusing. But you simply can't substitute your opinion based on game watching for Buzz's opinion based on practices, games, and what he's specifically looking for from a player. You just don't have that information.

On the radio show last week, Juan said that the substitution pattern can be confusing, but Buzz is upfront about what he's trying to do, whether that's offense/defense or targeting a match up.

He can do doing a horrible job at it this year (I think we can agree he's missing something). That's up for friendly debate. Your opinion of what being fact, however, is not.

yup--MU wawa, one of the typical who if he disagrees starts the name calling...Another dumb statement from Willie, right, wawa?

Seriously? Did you just make fun of this poster's name in the same breath you say that other people are name calling?

[ATL MU Warrior]

yup--MU wawa, one of the typical who if he disagrees starts the name calling. So predictable. Hide behind your post name and call names at somebody you disagree with. Because his is the only opinion that matters in his mind. Another dumb statement from Willie, right, wawa?

The next intelligent statement you post on here will be the first, so...yeah.

[GGGG]

Do you know what a straw man argument is? Where has anyone said Buzz is above criticism? What most of casual posters are tired of is the same post, day after day, ruining every thread, no matter how if topic. We get it and in many cases we even agree. Buzz's patterns this year have been confusing. But you simply can't substitute your opinion based on game watching for Buzz's opinion based on practices, games, and what he's specifically looking for from a player. You just don't have that information.

On the radio show last week, Juan said that the substitution pattern can be confusing, but Buzz is upfront about what he's trying to do, whether that's offense/defense or targeting a match up.

To be fair, Juan said that the substitutions patterns can take awhile for the freshmen to get used to.

And I thought that Juan had great demeanor yesterday.  Someone mentioned that he was laughing and had his arm around Buzz after a timeout.  Juan has a limited role.  He knows it.  But he performs to it.

[willie warrior]

The next intelligent statement you post on here will be the first, so...yeah.

Ah yes, the old I am more intelligent than you argument. That always is a winner everywhere. "So...yeah" just drips with intellect.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

yup--MU wawa, one of the typical who if he disagrees starts the name calling. So predictable. Hide behind your post name and call names at somebody you disagree with. Because his is the only opinion that matters in his mind. Another dumb statement from Willie, right, wawa?

Wawa? I'm embarrassed for you.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

I saw this thread and thought, "Don't do it. Don't read it. Just gonnabe the same old BS." However, while watching TV this morning - and like a moth to a light - I foolishly clicked on page 1.  25 minutes later, I feel dumber. I sooooo regret that decision. I think I'll go kick the dog.

[MarquetteDano]

This thread is the best.  Missing some of posts as like a quarter of the posters in it are already ignored by myself.  But for the one's I can see it is classic.

Instead of titled "Horrendously coached year" I think a better title would be Negativos Unite!!!

[real chili 83]

I've only read the title of this thread......

In before the lock.

[NersEllenson]

This team might not be going ANYWHERE this season, but Buzz isn't just the coach of one single MU team. He is the head of a program. Isn't it possible that many of Buzz's coaching decisions this year are significantly influenced by where he wants the program and young players to be in two to three years?

As those in the "Derrick gives us our best chance to win" camp would argue - Buzz is playing for wins right now, and playing the guys he feels gives us the best chance to win right now.  I'd agree that every coach plays to win right now, for this yea,r as priority Number 1.  Priority 2 for a coach would be to develop the talent in the program and groom for future years.

Where the disconnect for some of us exists, is that when the lineup that Buzz apparently feels gives us the best chance to win - loses against virtually all decent teams - there likely would be little fall off in the way of wins/losses if the young guys got more minutes.  We probably still wouldn't beat the elite teams, yet probably still wouldn't lose to the mediocre/bad teams...and in the process the freshman would have gotten valuable experience for them and Buzz to build on heading into next year.

The big area of frustration of course for me is at PG.  The PG is the quarterback of your team...and virtually equally important to a basketball team as a QB is to a football team.  Have a really good PG/QB, you almost always have a chance to win.  Have a really poor QB/PG....really hard to win.  Most all here agree that Dawson has a higher ceiling than Derrick...some of us just wanted to see what would happen if we made the switch at the most important position on the floor to see if it could have jump started this season, while also building Dawson's game for next season...and knowing if he is a viable option at PG (which I personally believe he is.)

[jesmu84]

As those in the "Derrick gives us our best chance to win" camp would argue - Buzz is playing for wins right now, and playing the guys he feels gives us the best chance to win right now.  I'd agree that every coach plays to win right now, for this yea,r as priority Number 1.  Priority 2 for a coach would be to develop the talent in the program and groom for future years.

Where the disconnect for some of us exists, is that when the lineup that Buzz apparently feels gives us the best chance to win - loses against virtually all decent teams - there likely would be little fall off in the way of wins/losses if the young guys got more minutes.  We probably still wouldn't beat the elite teams, yet probably still wouldn't lose to the mediocre/bad teams...and in the process the freshman would have gotten valuable experience for them and Buzz to build on heading into next year.

The big area of frustration of course for me is at PG.  The PG is the quarterback of your team...and virtually equally important to a basketball team as a QB is to a football team.  Have a really good PG/QB, you almost always have a chance to win.  Have a really poor QB/PG....really hard to win.  Most all here agree that Dawson has a higher ceiling than Derrick...some of us just wanted to see what would happen if we made the switch at the most important position on the floor to see if it could have jump started this season, while also building Dawson's game for next season...and knowing if he is a viable option at PG (which I personally believe he is.)

Perhaps Buzz believes he's helping to build the future and this year by playing Derrick so many minutes because Derrick will be the main PG next season as well.

[MerrittsMustache]

College basketball coaches aren't concerned with "getting the team ready for next year." They're concerned with winning. They're going to play the guys who they think give the team the best chance to win the game that they're currently playing. At no point during or going into a key game has Buzz EVER thought, "I need to get Freshman A some minutes so that he gains experience for next season." That's just not how coaches' minds work. Fans worry about the future and act like game experience will automatically make a player better the following season. Coaches look to win. That's it. Playing freshmen primarily to "get them experience for next year" can cost a teams wins which can cost a coach his job.

I'll say it again - Coaches coach to win the game that they're playing. It's that simple.

[Nevada233]

College basketball coaches aren't concerned with "getting the team ready for next year." They're concerned with winning. They're going to play the guys who they think give the team the best chance to win the game that they're currently playing. At no point during or going into a key game has Buzz EVER thought, "I need to get Freshman A some minutes so that he gains experience for next season." That's just not how coaches' minds work. Fans worry about the future and act like game experience will automatically make a player better the following season. Coaches look to win. That's it. Playing freshmen primarily to "get them experience for next year" can cost a teams wins which can cost a coach his job.

I'll say it again - Coaches coach to win the game that they're playing. It's that simple.

Yeah but people sit up there and act like the BackCourt we start is good and they wouldn't start or be the first man off the bench for at least 8 of the 10 Big East Teams..... There are D-2 Schools they wouldn't start for.... Until they graduate or are sat down.. This team will remain a little above .500 theres no way we should have 11 losses and will lose another game or 2 before the season is over... crazy

[wadesworld]

Yeah but people sit up there and act like the BackCourt we start is good and they wouldn't start or be the first man off the bench for at least 8 of the 10 Big East Teams..... There are D-2 Schools they wouldn't start for.... Until they graduate or are sat down.. This team will remain a little above .500 theres no way we should have 11 losses and will lose another game or 2 before the season is over... crazy

Other than maybe Butler, with the roster we have, who should we have beaten that we didn't?

[Nevada233]

Other than maybe Butler, with the roster we have, who should we have beaten that we didn't?

Losses to New Mexico we allowed 40 back court points (Cullen Neal went off), Xavier we allowed 42 back court points (Christion went off had 28), Arizona State we allowed 44 Points back court points (Thames went off) and St Johns 31 back court points. (Harrison had 27)... All Games where a guards went off on our outstanding defenders....

[MerrittsMustache]

Losses to New Mexico we allowed 40 back court points (Cullen Neal went off), Xavier we allowed 42 back court points (Christion went off had 28), Arizona State we allowed 44 Points back court points (Thames went off) and St Johns 31 back court points. (Harrison had 27)... All Games where a guards went off on our outstanding defenders....

And playing weaker defenders would have prevented that?

[MerrittsMustache]

Yeah but people sit up there and act like the BackCourt we start is good and they wouldn't start or be the first man off the bench for at least 8 of the 10 Big East Teams..... There are D-2 Schools they wouldn't start for.... Until they graduate or are sat down.. This team will remain a little above .500 theres no way we should have 11 losses and will lose another game or 2 before the season is over... crazy

The fact that you actually believe the bolded to be true shows your ignorance. Jake, in fact, started 51 games for a D1 school as a freshman and soph. Has playing better competition in a high-major program somehow made him a significantly worse player?

[Nevada233]

And playing weaker defenders would have prevented that?

we'll never know..

[Nevada233]

The fact that you actually believe the bolded to be true shows your ignorance. Jake, in fact, started 51 games for a D1 school as a freshman and soph. Has playing better competition in a high-major program somehow made him a significantly worse player?

Oh please Started 51 games at South Dakota in the Great West Conference "Wow"...
Brandon Jefferson of (23-1) Division 2 Metro State averages 21 points a game shoots 92 percent from the free throw line and would compete with both of them for their starting job.

One can't starter cant create his own Shot and the other cant shoot period. It is what it is...

[GGGG]

Oh please Started 51 games at South Dakota in the Great West Conference "Wow"...
Brandon Jefferson of (23-1) Division 2 Metro State averages 21 points a game shoots 92 percent from the free throw line and would compete with both of them for their starting job.

Love this logic.  Nevada finds one team where Jake or Derrick *might* not start, and he thinks he's made a point.

Just another one of these guys that bitches and moans...and this time after a win.

[Nevada233]

Love this logic.  Nevada finds one team where Jake or Derrick *might* not start, and he thinks he's made a point.

Just another one of these guys that bitches and moans...and this time after a win.

no not might *WONT*

and Whatever your starters suck live with it Slupery.... you bitch too.. stop it..

[brandx]

Perhaps Buzz believes he's helping to build the future and this year by playing Derrick so many minutes because Derrick will be the main PG next season as well.

Completely agree.

I also wonder about the posters who claim Buzz doesn't want to develop any of the freshman for the future. Did they really think this through? Buzz doesn't want to develop guys who will be the future of the program? He is developing them everyday in practice.

[willie warrior]

Perhaps Buzz believes he's helping to build the future and this year by playing Derrick so many minutes because Derrick will be the main PG next season as well.

And that sir, is the rub!

[willie warrior]

Love this logic.  Nevada finds one team where Jake or Derrick *might* not start, and he thinks he's made a point.

Just another one of these guys that bitches and moans...and this time after a win.

Did not notice your new name until earlier, Sultan. I see you picked up what I tabbed for you. Things are looking brighter, you are starting to slurp toward my side. Congratulations! Let me know when you start believing that Al was MU's greatest coach.