Break up California

[ChicosBailBonds]

Let's see live in Torrance / Manhattan Beach or Plano, Texas. That's a tough one. Think I will stick with CA.

I would move in a heartbeat, not even a nanosecond to consider it.  Torrance has good Torrance and not so good Torrance.  MB is great, but almost no one can afford to live there.  Those that do have a house the size of a post card or they make so much money it doesn't matter.

Growth state vs a yesterday state.

No state taxes.  Traffic totally different.

Can actually get value for $$

Only drawback is the weather....I've lived in a lot worse places than a Dallas suburb (Plano) so I would adjust fine.

[Hards Alumni]

I would move in a heartbeat, not even a nanosecond to consider it.  Torrance has good Torrance and not so good Torrance.  MB is great, but almost no one can afford to live there.  Those that do have a house the size of a post card or they make so much money it doesn't matter.

Growth state vs a yesterday state.

No state taxes.  Traffic totally different.

Can actually get value for $$

Only drawback is the weather....I've lived in a lot worse places than a Dallas suburb (Plano) so I would adjust fine.

Can you at least put the word Growth in quotes... for honesty's sake.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Can you at least put the word Growth in quotes... for honesty's sake.

Sure, if you can put "unemployment reduction" nationally in the same quotes.

[SoCalEagle]

I would move in a heartbeat, not even a nanosecond to consider it.  Torrance has good Torrance and not so good Torrance.  MB is great, but almost no one can afford to live there.  Those that do have a house the size of a post card or they make so much money it doesn't matter.

Growth state vs a yesterday state.

No state taxes.  Traffic totally different.

Can actually get value for $$

Only drawback is the weather....I've lived in a lot worse places than a Dallas suburb (Plano) so I would adjust fine.

You would move in a heartbeat? Then go ahead and do it. What's stopping you? Could it be your good job at DTV? How ironic. You sound like the guy would devours every morsel of food on his plate, then when asked how he enjoyed it says "it was terrible."

Not too long ago you would post about how great it was living in "the OC." Nice house, happy with your diverse community, the schools, the property values, short drive down the 91 to get to the office. What went wrong?

[ChicosBailBonds]

You would move in a heartbeat? Then go ahead and do it. What's stopping you? Could it be your good job at DTV? How ironic. You sound like the guy would devours every morsel of food on his plate, then when asked how he enjoyed it says "it was terrible."

Not too long ago you would post about how great it was living in "the OC." Nice house, happy with your diverse community, the schools, the property values, short drive down the 91 to get to the office. What went wrong?

Already one foot out the door.  If you must know, it is because it is more than just me, I have a family including kids that are in school.  We already know where we are moving to when they finish high school.  So in that sense, the deal is done and I cannot unnatural carnal knowledgeing wait to leave this state, but because of my kids friendships, we stay for a few more years (maybe, chance we go early, but trying to avoid that).

Only reason I moved back to the state was to take care of my mom after my dad's sudden passing 15 years ago.  My wife also had 8 brothers and sisters here and her mom.  Her mom has since passed as has one of her brothers.  They have begun to start moving out of the state as well, life long natives...daughters and sons of Wisconsinites including a father that went to MU med school.  These aren't stupid people, they see the writing on the wall like so many others have the last 2 decades.

My sister moved from the state 20 years ago, thinks I am crazy to remain.  My mom moved 12 years ago, can't believe I'm still here.  One of my wife's brothers moved to Virginia 7 years ago, way happier.  One of her sister's moved to Texas last year, they are beyond giddy.

Looking forward to moving on.  Will miss the weather and .......

[barfolomew]

Will miss the weather and .......

...the fish tacos. I was SURE you were going to say the fish tacos!

[Lennys Tap]

Already one foot out the door.  If you must know, it is because it is more than just me, I have a family including kids that are in school.  We already know where we are moving to when they finish high school.  So in that sense, the deal is done and I cannot unnatural carnal knowledgeing wait to leave this state, but because of my kids friendships, we stay for a few more years (maybe, chance we go early, but trying to avoid that).

Only reason I moved back to the state was to take care of my mom after my dad's sudden passing 15 years ago.  My wife also had 8 brothers and sisters here and her mom.  Her mom has since passed as has one of her brothers.  They have begun to start moving out of the state as well, life long natives...daughters and sons of Wisconsinites including a father that went to MU med school.  These aren't stupid people, they see the writing on the wall like so many others have the last 2 decades.

My sister moved from the state 20 years ago, thinks I am crazy to remain.  My mom moved 12 years ago, can't believe I'm still here.  One of my wife's brothers moved to Virginia 7 years ago, way happier.  One of her sister's moved to Texas last year, they are beyond giddy.

Looking forward to moving on.  Will miss the weather and .......

This is all over the place. You moved to California 15 years ago to help your Mom. Admirable, but she moved a few years after you arrived. And you stayed, in that hell hole that you hate, for 12 more years. Huh?

I've lived most of my life in a state as dysfunctional as California (Illinois) that lacks the redeeming factor of beautiful weather. And mostly loved it. Also lived in Milwaukee, Seattle, Dallas and Houston. Not for as long, so my roots weren't as deep. But I loved them all, too. I had too rich a life with family and friends to let traffic, property taxes, weather, etc., make me miserable.

I admire that you recognize your unhappiness and are taking action. I hope a different job and a different locale can be a catalyst for a happier life. I suspect you know that real change takes more than that, though. Good luck.

[keefe]

This is all over the place. You moved to California 15 years ago to help your Mom. Admirable, but she moved a few years after you arrived. And you stayed, in that hell hole that you hate, for 12 more years. Huh?

I've lived most of my life in a state as dysfunctional as California (Illinois) that lacks the redeeming factor of beautiful weather. And mostly loved it. Also lived in Milwaukee, Seattle, Dallas and Houston. Not for as long, so my roots weren't as deep. But I loved them all, too. I had too rich a life with family and friends to let traffic, property taxes, weather, etc., make me miserable.

I admire that you recognize your unhappiness and are taking action. I hope a different job and a different locale can be a catalyst for a happier life. I suspect you know that real change takes more than that, though. Good luck.

Where did you live in Seattle?

[Lennys Tap]

Where did you live in Seattle?

Madison Park - 42 years ago. Was back there for the first time in years in September of 2012 - my best friend from high school lives on Bainbridge Island and my wife and I stayed a week. Much has changed but it's still a beautiful city - especially when the weather is good.

[keefe]

Madison Park - 42 years ago. Was back there for the first time in years in September of 2012 - my best friend from high school lives on Bainbridge Island and my wife and I stayed a week. Much has changed but it's still a beautiful city - especially when the weather is good.

No kidding. That's a nice area. Close to the water, Capital Hill, downtown, the U. One of our favorite restaurants is Harvest Vine, a Tapas place on Madison Park. We would often go there after an afternoon at the UW Arboretum.

[Lennys Tap]

No kidding. That's a nice area. Close to the water, Capital Hill, downtown, the U. One of our favorite restaurants is Harvest Vine, a Tapas place on Madison Park. We would often go there after an afternoon at the UW Arboretum.

Wasn't all that trendy, then - though I guess neither was Seattle. There was a bar between downtown and Madison Park where we went nearly every day but I can't remember its name. Lots of blurry moments from my time there.

[ChicosBailBonds]

This is all over the place. You moved to California 15 years ago to help your Mom. Admirable, but she moved a few years after you arrived. And you stayed, in that hell hole that you hate, for 12 more years. Huh?

I've lived most of my life in a state as dysfunctional as California (Illinois) that lacks the redeeming factor of beautiful weather. And mostly loved it. Also lived in Milwaukee, Seattle, Dallas and Houston. Not for as long, so my roots weren't as deep. But I loved them all, too. I had too rich a life with family and friends to let traffic, property taxes, weather, etc., make me miserable.

I admire that you recognize your unhappiness and are taking action. I hope a different job and a different locale can be a catalyst for a happier life. I suspect you know that real change takes more than that, though. Good luck.

Thank you for the good luck wishes.

I understand your "huh", but that's because I didn't provide all the information so let me fill in the gaps.

15 years ago, I moved back here to take care of my mom.  
Yes, 3 years later, she moved out of the state partly to be closer to my sister in Colorado and her three kids and, ironically, because she said "I knew you wouldn't stay in California long".  Her thinking was right, as my intent was not to stay forever, but things got complicated not long after.

My wife's mother was getting up in age and all of my wife's 8 brothers and sisters were here, so we stayed on for her reasons also.  My mother-in-law was eventually diagnosed with Alzheimer's and so we went through that process for several years.  After her death, then one of her brothers was diagnosed with cancer.  He eventually passed.

Career success didn't hurt, then the wife and kids get established in the town we are in.  She volunteers like crazy, my son's athletic pursuits and friendships.  Then my daughter's diagnosis and attachment to Children's Hospital added another wrinkle along with my wife's health issues over the last 10 years.  Let's just say, my wife had no desire to move with everything going on and I certainly wasn't going to push it.

As some of her brothers and sisters have exited the state and rave about living elsewhere, her openness to leaving has swelled.  She can't believe what her sister went from in California to what she has now in Texas. It is unbelievable.  You pay for a lot of BS here in Calif and people do it all the time.  It is amazing, however, when some folks move elsewhere how often I hear "damn, I should have done this 15 years ago".  With the traveling that I do, I've known this for a long long time.  Different lifestyle, different quality of life, less expensive and a lot less of the fake crap that thrives out here.  

She's finally through ups and downs of the familial thing and ready to start something else.  That was a big step.  The issue currently is that I have no desire to pull someone out of high school if I can avoid it.  Good news is that we know we are going.  It is just a matter of timing now.  Certain things will accelerate it or delay it, but we'll see how it shakes out.

[Spotcheck Billy]

  The issue currently is that I have no desire to pull someone out of high school if I can avoid it. 

but they wouldn't have to sit out a year if they transfer

[Sunbelt15]

Sounds like he's trying to help Obama reach his goal of 57 states.

[muwarrior69]

We should just sell California back to Mexico, throw in Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas as a bonus. Then all the politicians who support immigration reform can do so in Mexico City.

[ChicosBailBonds]

We should just sell California back to Mexico, throw in Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas as a bonus. Then all the politicians who support immigration reform can do so in Mexico City.

No need to put that in teal, there are active groups out here advocating just that....some of them professors in our fine colleges here at UCLA, USC, etc.  La Raza, MEChA and Aztlan movements have that ideal as a core principle with many sympathizers who back that ideology.

[keefe]

Wasn't all that trendy, then - though I guess neither was Seattle. There was a bar between downtown and Madison Park where we went nearly every day but I can't remember its name. Lots of blurry moments from my time there.

The stretch between Madison Park and downtown is an area called Capitol Hill. To say Capitol Hill has bars is like saying Playboy has teats. It has some great watering holes - ranging from effete avant garde to muscular dive. Lots of great choices depending upon mood, objective, and companionship scenario.

After an evening at Benaroya Hall or dinner out with friends we often headed to Capitol Hill for a beverage. There are establishments offering hundreds of beers, on-premise brewing, whisky, wine, or just simply Belgian derived products. From my experiences over the years I seem to recall that blurry moments are still rearing their ugly heads on Capitol Hill. A world-class drinking environment.

[Lennys Tap]

The stretch between Madison Park and downtown is an area called Capitol Hill. To say Capitol Hill has bars is like saying Playboy has teats. It has some great watering holes - ranging from effete avant garde to muscular dive. Lots of great choices depending upon mood, objective, and companionship scenario.

After an evening at Benaroya Hall or dinner out with friends we often headed to Capitol Hill for a beverage. There are establishments offering hundreds of beers, on-premise brewing, whisky, wine, or just simply Belgian derived products. From my experiences over the years I seem to recall that blurry moments are still rearing their ugly heads on Capitol Hill. A world-class drinking environment.

Capitol Hill it was - this was in 1973, though, before Seattle got "hot". The bar we went to had a decent selection of beers, a good juke box, two pool tables and a couple of nice TVs for sports (I loved that games started during happy hour and were over early enough not to interfere with late night shenanigans). The woman were prettier than Milwaukee's (big deal) but not much. I understand it's changed a great deal for the better.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

couple years back I stayed at a Hotel by Swedish hospital. It was 9 O'clock on a Sunday and the kitchen was closed so a colleague and I started walking looking for an open restaurant.  a distant light drew us into a neighborhood bar and as we sat down we looked around and found ourselves in the Wild Rose. After taking in the rather large paintings of a bevy of nude females and discovering that the dude at the pool table in a wife beater, ball cap with a unlit cigarette in the mouth was not a guy, we quickly decided two males were rather out of place and left before we were thrown out. The next night I met a friend in downtown at, I think, Ocean Prime and sat at the bar downing beers and oysters. Awhile later we were joined by Mrs. Doubtfire who chose a stool near us and was joined by some rather attractive ladies. Always exciting Seattle and I enjoy my numerous trips there

[keefe]

couple years back I stayed at a Hotel by Swedish hospital. It was 9 O'clock on a Sunday and the kitchen was closed so a colleague and I started walking looking for an open restaurant.  a distant light drew us into a neighborhood bar and as we sat down we looked around and found ourselves in the Wild Rose. After taking in the rather large paintings of a bevy of nude females and discovering that the dude at the pool table in a wife beater, ball cap with a unlit cigarette in the mouth was not a guy, we quickly decided two males were rather out of place and left before we were thrown out. The next night I met a friend in downtown at, I think, Ocean Prime and sat at the bar downing beers and oysters. Awhile later we were joined by Mrs. Doubtfire who chose a stool near us and was joined by some rather attractive ladies. Always exciting Seattle and I enjoy my numerous trips there

When my wife was at the Gates Foundation we agreed to meet after work on Capitol Hill for dinner. I had been flying that day so I was able to bag out early. I had a couple hours to kill so I wandered into the nearest watering hole, which was empty, where I bellied up and ordered a beer. I was in a flight suit and had an armful of Air Force paperwork that I intended to plow through while waiting for the wife.

The place began to fill up and it was only when I needed a second round that I looked up from my work. I realized the bar had nothing but men - many of whom were clearly on very familiar terms. I was the proverbial sore thumb. I knew I needed to egress rather than have another so I quickly asked the check. The barman realized my distress and he said that my beer was on the house, thanking me for my service. He then pointed out, "We don't get a lot of military in here...at least not in uniform..."

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Keefe

  Neither of us retreated... We just advanced in another direction

[keefe]

Keefe

  Neither of us retreated... We just advanced in another direction

Yea, that place gave new meaning to the expression, "Advancing to the rear..."

[brandx]

No need to put that in teal, there are active groups out here advocating just that....some of them professors in our fine colleges here at UCLA, USC, etc.  La Raza, MEChA and Aztlan movements have that ideal as a core principle with many sympathizers who back that ideology.

I put 2 + 2 together and think I got 3 1/2. Chicos already left California and we know he is pretty far to the right - aha... which would make Idaho seem like the ideal place. And, then I saw this:

http://idahoptv.org/elections/2014/

Is Chicos leaving the world of DirectTV behind for the world of politics? I think the evidence speaks for itself 

[keefe]

I put 2 + 2 together and think I got 3 1/2. Chicos already left California and we know he is pretty far to the right - aha... which would make Idaho seem like the ideal place. And, then I saw this:

http://idahoptv.org/elections/2014/

Is Chicos leaving the world of DirectTV behind for the world of politics? I think the evidence speaks for itself  

I am torn between Harley Brown and Walt Bayes but I think I'm all in for Harley for Governor. This man deserves our support!


Link for Harley Brown's Political Manifesto:

http://www.governorharley.com/default.htm


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/05/16/harley-brown-is-a-real-idaho-gem-in-gop-debate/


http://time.com/105512/idahos-gop-biker-candidate-on-life-as-a-viral-sensation/

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I put 2 + 2 together and think I got 3 1/2. Chicos already left California and we know he is pretty far to the right - aha... which would make Idaho seem like the ideal place. And, then I saw this:

http://idahoptv.org/elections/2014/

Is Chicos leaving the world of DirectTV behind for the world of politics? I think the evidence speaks for itself 

C. Everett Coop is running???