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keefe

Quote from: River rat on February 18, 2014, 09:57:43 AM
Ur a classic... I guess u take a non traditional approach to definitions.  Now you have "ownership".
Lol
Its fine i just like how some people like to throw out terms that they really have no clue about.

Rat

The term "Owner" is fairly common among enterprises that are structured along an IBU/SBU model. Decision-making is de-centralized from an Executive Committee presided over by C-levels to the GM/MD level.

Don't confuse ownership with equity; rather, it is about decision-making in daily operations with a horizon of no more than one year/4 quarters.


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Golden Avalanche

Best chance Marquette has at a win is if Buzz hires Jeff Gillooly to do a "Kerrigan" on Dougie.

Short of that, you simply have to pray that the Jays shoot like they have in 75% of their losses and keep it under 30% from the perimeter. Actually, considering we may have used up our 3-pointers on Saturday, it'd be best if the number is under 25% since Creighton's offense at 29% is still more powerful than MU's at near full flow.

ChicosBailBonds


ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: River rat on February 18, 2014, 09:57:43 AM
Ur a classic... I guess u take a non traditional approach to definitions.  Now you have "ownership".
Lol
Its fine i just like how some people like to throw out terms that they really have no clue about.

You have no idea what you are talking about on this.  We have a home security business, the person at the top of that silo is the business owner and responsible for that business, even though it flows ultimate up to the company's bigger balance sheet.  We have a Sports silo.  We have a Premiums silo.  We have a warranty services business silo.  Etc.  Each of those are individual businesses that people own, are responsible for the revenues generated, the expenses, the personnel, the strategy, etc.  This is why when someone says they are running the business, it is different than running the company. Words have meaning.

On trap games, coaches don't like to use the term because it builds in an excuse, doesn't mean it is fictional.  There are let down games, trap games, whatever it is you want to call them. A coach will try to ward off any such talk or thinking such a thing exists.  Human nature.  Question is whether a team is mature enough to overcome it.

Mack Brown said it nicely toward the end of the college football season.  "This was a true trap game," head coach Mack Brown said. "Everybody talks about the struggles of Kansas all week, and that's all the kids hear. Everybody is bragging on them and I did tell them during the week... They came out and I thought they did well to handle what they needed to win the game decisively."

Jimbo Fisher of Florida State did as well.

I guess they never competed, or the other coaches in college hoops, pro sports, etc, that have said similar things.

keefe

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 18, 2014, 10:36:56 AM
You have no idea what you are talking about on this.  We have a home security business, the person at the top of that silo is the business owner and responsible for that business, even though it flows ultimate up to the company's bigger balance sheet.  We have a Sports silo.  We have a Premiums silo.  We have a warranty services business silo.  Etc.  Each of those are individual businesses that people own, are responsible for the revenues generated, the expenses, the personnel, the strategy, etc.  This is why when someone says they are running the business, it is different than running the company. Words have meaning.

On trap games, coaches don't like to use the term because it builds in an excuse, doesn't mean it is fictional.  There are let down games, trap games, whatever it is you want to call them. A coach will try to ward off any such talk or thinking such a thing exists.  Human nature.  Question is whether a team is mature enough to overcome it.

Mack Brown said it nicely toward the end of the college football season.  "This was a true trap game," head coach Mack Brown said. "Everybody talks about the struggles of Kansas all week, and that's all the kids hear. Everybody is bragging on them and I did tell them during the week... They came out and I thought they did well to handle what they needed to win the game decisively."

Jimbo Fisher of Florida State did as well.

I guess they never competed, or the other coaches in college hoops, pro sports, etc, that have said similar things.

Jams

I thought your job there at DTV was to post on Scoop


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muwarrior69

I am a proud warrior. To consider this a trap game for Creighton is an insult to our great tradition. After all we are tied for 3rd in the league. I don't expect the Bluejays will come in thinking it is an expected win.

jsheim

Part of winning is the other team playing poorly. Normal realm of possibility. Its very possible we play well and they don't and we win. It's a legitimate thing.  In hoping on a win and not on a miracle.

Wouldn't that be great though!  Man would we be walking on the clouds.

River rat

Quote from: keefe on February 18, 2014, 10:14:54 AM
Rat

The term "Owner" is fairly common among enterprises that are structured along an IBU/SBU model. Decision-making is de-centralized from an Executive Committee presided over by C-levels to the GM/MD level.

Don't confuse ownership with equity; rather, it is about decision-making in daily operations with a horizon of no more than one year/4 quarters.

Keefe,
With all do respect to ur military background i would use the analogy of you objecting to people using terms such as " going to battle/war., etc".  Chicos is a notorious name drpper n blohard.  He uses terms like running a 2.8 bilioon dollar business and ownership as due to some lack of selesteem n desire to make himself look important on a messge board.  When in reality, he has no clue the risks and sacrifice involved in owning a business.  When he goes home at night he was just an employee , and the rest is his normal beguiling nature

g0lden3agle

Quote from: River rat on February 18, 2014, 12:31:00 PM
Keefe,
With all do respect to ur military background i would use the analogy of you objecting to people using terms such as " going to battle/war., etc".  Chicos is a notorious name drpper n blohard.  He uses terms like running a 2.8 bilioon dollar business and ownership as due to some lack of selesteem n desire to make himself look important on a messge board.  When in reality, he has no clue the risks and sacrifice involved in owning a business.  When he goes home at night he was just an employee , and the rest is his normal beguiling nature

Just like keefe said, "Ownership" = "responsibility".  This is not some sort of word game Chicos is playing.  He is just using the words that his company (and many many others) uses for his responsibility over his part of the company's business.  You're picking a really terrible fight here.

Windyplayer

Quote from: g0lden3agle on February 18, 2014, 12:36:35 PM
 You're picking a really terrible fight here.
For more reasons than one. Do as all a favor and put this one to bed, boys.

79Warrior

Quote from: wadesworld on February 18, 2014, 12:02:52 AM
No such thing as a trap game. It's immature players that fall into "traps." Creighton is as senior heavy as they come.

Respect the process.

DePaul = trap game. A trap game to me is not preparing for a team you could beat in your sleep. Creighton in no way looks @ Marquette as a trap.

Marquette is a hungry wolf right now and Creighton knows it. They will be ready to play. Should be a lively game.

River rat

Quote from: g0lden3agle on February 18, 2014, 12:36:35 PM
Just like keefe said, "Ownership" = "responsibility".  This is not some sort of word game Chicos is playing.  He is just using the words that his company (and many many others) uses for his responsibility over his part of the company's business.  You're picking a really terrible fight here.

Unless one's name is on the articles of incorporation and line of credit and personally stand to lose everything should the company not succeed than one is not an owner.  Now some MBA consultant may have come up with a BS term to help foster dedication.  But i for one n i would guess other true owners would snicker at the term, as until one is such they cannot truly understand the definition.

Have i told anyone i have an olympic medal?
Oh ya i got it out of a box of cereal

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: keefe on February 18, 2014, 10:39:49 AM
Jams

I thought your job there at DTV was to post on Scoop

Nope, Scoop keeps me from going insane....like last night's conference call at 1:30am and the follow-up this morning at 5:30am...I kid you not. 

10 more days....10 more days....10 more days.

madtownwarrior

wow - what a dumb argument.   guess your name has to be on the bank loan to be an owner?     If your at the top line of the org chart of a $2.8B business, you "own" it.  You "own" it by putting your ass on the line for every tough decision and for being the first person to get fired if results are not good.  

but hey, that does not make you an owner...

keefe

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 18, 2014, 01:10:21 PM
Nope, Scoop keeps me from going insane....like last night's conference call at 1:30am and the follow-up this morning at 5:30am...I kid you not. 

10 more days....10 more days....10 more days.

Year end close? Or a badly needed respite aboard the Panty Dropper?


Death on call

Skatastrophy

Quote from: River rat on February 18, 2014, 01:04:04 PM
Unless one's name is on the articles of incorporation and line of credit and personally stand to lose everything should the company not succeed than one is not an owner.  Now some MBA consultant may have come up with a BS term to help foster dedication.  But i for one n i would guess other true owners would snicker at the term, as until one is such they cannot truly understand the definition.

Have i told anyone i have an olympic medal?
Oh ya i got it out of a box of cereal

You must be in high school or college? You sound like a real dope right now.

GGGG

Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 18, 2014, 01:15:08 PM
You must be in high school or college? You sound like a real dope right now.


Dimes tends to "double down" on his arguments when they are shown to be a little wacky. 

CTWarrior

Quote from: River rat on February 18, 2014, 01:04:04 PM
Unless one's name is on the articles of incorporation and line of credit and personally stand to lose everything should the company not succeed than one is not an owner.  Now some MBA consultant may have come up with a BS term to help foster dedication.  But i for one n i would guess other true owners would snicker at the term, as until one is such they cannot truly understand the definition.

Have i told anyone i have an olympic medal?
Oh ya i got it out of a box of cereal

I work for a fairly big corporation and I regularly deal with business "owners" to get approval for projects, process changes, upgrades, etc.  It is a commonly used business term in my company, anyway.
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

River rat

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Quote from: madtownwarrior on February 18, 2014, 01:12:11 PM
wow - what a dumb argument.   guess your name has to be on the bank loan to be an owner?     If your at the top line of the org chart of a $2.8B business, you "own" it.  You "own" it by putting your ass on the line for every tough decision and for being the first person to get fired if results are not good.  

but hey, that does not make you an owner...

Damn straight ... does not have the same responsibility or risk.

leever

Quote from: River rat on February 18, 2014, 01:32:57 PM
Damn straight ... does not have the same responsibility or risk.

Rat -

You have done the impossible!  I've never seen such a string of posters supporting CBB!

He's right.  You're wrong.

Pick on him abut something else.  Like Tom Crean.

Or Hitler (moves me into a tie with Keefe!)

madtownwarrior

#45
Quote from: River rat on February 18, 2014, 01:32:57 PM
Damn straight ... does not have the same responsibility or risk.


yeah, that's why I guess the average small business owners typically makes way less than an exec "owning" a $2.8B business unit by probably an order of magnitude...

but the responsibility of that yogurt shop is staggering...


ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: keefe on February 18, 2014, 01:14:30 PM
Year end close? Or a badly needed respite aboard the Panty Dropper?

Neither, though the second one sounds good.

brandx

Quote from: River rat on February 18, 2014, 09:57:43 AM
Ur a classic... I guess u take a non traditional approach to definitions.  Now you have "ownership".
Lol
Its fine i just like how some people like to throw out terms that they really have no clue about.

You sound like a "real" businessman  ::)

brandx

Quote from: keefe on February 18, 2014, 10:39:49 AM
Jams

I thought your job there at DTV was to post on Scoop

I always assumed it was screwing those round thingies to houses.

keefe

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 18, 2014, 03:28:42 PM
Neither, though the second one sounds good.

Always, always, always take time to share with your bride, Jams.


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