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[ChicosBailBonds]

Taking the emotion out of it, I'd say the BIG was a lot better in November and December than they are right now. UW got those extra preseason games and were very good early. They're not now. Ohio St is playing poorly. Anyone really think Michigan is a Final Four contender? I don't. Iowa is good not great. I still think MSU can be really good, but even given their injuries today's game against a team on the ropes is a head scratcher. Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue, Nebraska, Penn St? Meh.

I don't disagree with you from an elite perspective, no great teams.  Not like last year when there were four of them.  Top to bottom, the Big Ten is better at the bottom this year than last year. 

MU, Seton Hall, Providence, St. John's, DePaul, Butler?  Meh

[bradley center bat]

PC is listed as a ncaa team right now.

[Lennys Tap]

If you use today's standings

Their #2 lost to our #7  Georgetown over MSU
Their #3 beat our #4  Iowa over Xavier
Their #3 lost to our #2 in OT  Villanova over Iowa
Their #4 lost to our #9   DePaul over NW
Their #5 beat our #5  OSU over MUp
Their #5 beat our #5  UW over MU
Their #11 beat our #7  Penn State over St. John's
Their #8 lost to our #1 Creighton over Nebraska
Their #8 lost to our #9 Butler over Purdue

Even when you're comin' clean you just have to try and tip it a little in your direction. You note, of course, that "our" Villanova needed OT to beat "their" Iowa. But for some reason, you neglect the fact that "their" Iowa needed OT to beat "our" Butler and that "their" Penn St needed OT to beat "our" St Johns. You make me smile.

[Lennys Tap]

I don't disagree with you from an elite perspective, no great teams.  Not like last year when there were four of them.  Top to bottom, the Big Ten is better at the bottom this year than last year. 

MU, Seton Hall, Providence, St. John's, DePaul, Butler?  Meh

Agree with this. Lots of "meh" teams in both conferences. Sadly, we're one of them.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Even when you're comin' clean you just have to try and tip it a little in your direction. You note, of course, that "our" Villanova needed OT to beat "their" Iowa. But for some reason, you neglect the fact that "their" Iowa needed OT to beat "our" Butler and that "their" Penn St needed OT to beat "our" St Johns. You make me smile.

Lenny, not intentional.  I had all of the road, OT, etc in there and then stripped them all out because I saw the previous poster had done the same.  I guess I left that one in there.  My bad.

[Lennys Tap]

Lenny, not intentional.  I had all of the road, OT, etc in there and then stripped them all out because I saw the previous poster had done the same.  I guess I left that one in there.  My bad.

OK, if you say it was a coincidence, I believe you. But it still made me smile. Freudian slip?

[ChicosBailBonds]

OK, if you say it was a coincidence, I believe you. But it still made me smile. Freudian slip?

[Nevada233]

Syracuse looks really good

[forgetful]

Yup, I stand corrected.  5-5 is what I have as well after today.  I was just going to post this....that's what I get for posting the other one from a bar.  LOL.  I was wrong.  No doubt.

I actually think the Big Ten is better at the bottom this year than last year.  Last year the Big Ten had 4 really good teams at the top.  This year, the teams at the top are good, not great, but would anyone here want to go into Nebraska and their brand new building where they are 10-1?  Or at Penn State?  The bottom of the Big Ten is better this year than it was last year.

As far as them playing the Bottom of our league..I think you might want to double check that....unless Marquette is the bottom of the league      


If you use today's standings

Their #2 lost to our #7  Georgetown over MSU
Their #3 beat our #4  Iowa over Xavier
Their #3 lost to our #2 in OT  Villanova over Iowa
Their #4 lost to our #9   DePaul over NW
Their #5 beat our #5  OSU over MU
Their #5 beat our #5  UW over MU
Their #11 beat our #7  Penn State over St. John's
Their #8 lost to our #1 Creighton over Nebraska
Their #8 lost to our #9 Butler over Purdue

Seems to me both conferences have played teams up and down the standings (now that I'm not at a bar and can confirm that).

I'll stick to the other one...we're 4th for a reason...they are 1st or 2nd (depending on the power ranking) for a reason.  We're pretty good, not as good as that conference.

Similar to you.  I posted the original "bottom half of the league" before looking at the standings.  My instincts were that we were in the bottom half of the league, apparently we are still 5th.  So I had changed it to "two teams that have struggled a ton".

There wins were against our 4, 5, 5, 7, 7.  No one inside the top 1/3 rd of our conference.

We have wins against their 2, 3, 4.  All 3 of those are in the top 1/3 rd of their conference.