Disjointed...

[NersEllenson]

Was a must win game today and we laid an egg.  This season is on Buzz.  Been totally disjointed in his rotation/lineups ALL season long.  No synergy - other than generally playing the same 2 in the backcourt the most/consistent minutes...that have had their share of struggles and limitations.

Was evident early on the season was going to be a struggle if major changes weren't made.  None of these guys are getting into a rhythm in games, they aren't playing alongside the same guys 90% of the time.  Just impossible to get into a flow, and get some results.

The rotation needs to be pared to 8-9 guys...should have been done a long time ago...start your 5 most talented guys...and then you have your 3 and 4 subs who basically come in and sub for the same guy over and over.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Natives are restless

[77ncaachamps]

Was a must win game today and we laid an egg.  This season is on Buzz.  Been totally disjointed in his rotation/lineups ALL season long.  No synergy - other than generally playing the same 2 in the backcourt the most/consistent minutes...that have had their share of struggles and limitations.

Was evident early on the season was going to be a struggle if major changes weren't made.  None of these guys are getting into a rhythm in games, they aren't playing alongside the same guys 90% of the time.  Just impossible to get into a flow, and get some results.

The rotation needs to be pared to 8-9 guys...should have been done a long time ago...start your 5 most talented guys...and then you have your 3 and 4 subs who basically come in and sub for the same guy over and over.

I'm going to extend it to the coaching staff and their inability to develop players.

Or maybe the problem is, what Buzz always tries to recruit, that this team lacks the "chip" on their shoulders.

The freshmen have been aggressive and, though they haven't deserved the minutes, they don't play entitled like this year's senior class.

I've been disappointed in Jamil, Ox, and Otule greatly. This is...was?...their team.
As seniors, they needed to take this team on their shoulders.
They've been reluctant warriors...

[Nevada233]

Luke Fish

Duane Wilson

Ahmed Hill

Shayok

Sandy Cohen

the future is bright..... This current team is forgettable...

[NickelDimer]

This team sucks. The WHOLE team.  It's become very easy these days to simply blame coaching.  It's convenient. But it's usually miguided.  This is one everyone.  Players and coaches. 

[willie warrior]

This team sucks. The WHOLE team.  It's become very easy these days to simply blame coaching.  It's convenient. But it's usually miguided.  This is one everyone.  Players and coaches. 

It is the coach. He picked the players, he develops the game plans. He is to develop the players, he has the resources and the big bucks salary. Those are just kids out there trying. Except Otule--he is eligible for Social Security, so he cannot be called a kid anymore.

[NickelDimer]

It is the coach. He picked the players, he develops the game plans. He is to develop the players, he has the resources and the big bucks salary. Those are just kids out there trying. Except Otule--he is eligible for Social Security, so he cannot be called a kid anymore.

Moronic...at best.  So simple huh willie? You're awesome amn.  You really get it

[Niv Berkowitz]

To say buzz can't develop players? Seriously STFU. All u reactionaries out there that suddenly we are worthless and have worthless players is ludicrous.

That being said, this definitely hasn't been a well coached season by Buzz. Teams/coaches have bad seasons. Lets stop throwing the baby out with the bath water.

College hoops is a guards game. We don't have em this year, and, we don't have solid seniors. Simple as that. Look at previous seasons and how hard the seniors busted their hump. This year pales in comparison.

[MarquetteDano]

The rotation needs to be pared to 8-9 guys...should have been done a long time ago...start your 5 most talented guys...and then you have your 3 and 4 subs who basically come in and sub for the same guy over and over.

The season is on Buzz but not for the reasons you state.  Recruiting left us with poor guards and you can't have poor guards in college b-ball.

Silver bullet rotations changes would have given us one more win at this point.  I don't care what rotation you come up with Ners.  It would not have been good enough given the guard play.

Next year will be better.

[chapman]

I'm going to extend it to the coaching staff and their inability to develop players.

On that note and without attempting to dissect individual shortcomings, I'd be shocked if there isn't assistant turnover for next year. 

[jesmu84]

On that note and without attempting to dissect individual shortcomings, I'd be shocked if there isn't assistant turnover for next year. 

I wonder if Jerry's corpse will still be here. 

[79Warrior]

To say buzz can't develop players? Seriously STFU. All u reactionaries out there that suddenly we are worthless and have worthless players is ludicrous.

That being said, this definitely hasn't been a well coached season by Buzz. Teams/coaches have bad seasons. Lets stop throwing the baby out with the bath water.

College hoops is a guards game. We don't have em this year, and, we don't have solid seniors. Simple as that. Look at previous seasons and how hard the seniors busted their hump. This year pales in comparison.

+1. Effort is not there by the upperclassmen. Guard play is suspect and we Zero three point capability from anyone. Tough to win without a consistent three point threat.

[brandx]

Was a must win game today and we laid an egg.  This season is on Buzz.  Been totally disjointed in his rotation/lineups ALL season long.  No synergy - other than generally playing the same 2 in the backcourt the most/consistent minutes...that have had their share of struggles and limitations.

Was evident early on the season was going to be a struggle if major changes weren't made.  None of these guys are getting into a rhythm in games, they aren't playing alongside the same guys 90% of the time.  Just impossible to get into a flow, and get some results.

The rotation needs to be pared to 8-9 guys...should have been done a long time ago...start your 5 most talented guys...and then you have your 3 and 4 subs who basically come in and sub for the same guy over and over.

While I have agreed with you on your assessment of our guard play, maybe derrick showed his real value today. as the other upperclassmen gave up on the tam and coaches today, Derrick tried to take over in the 2nd half. Hopefully that will have good consequences down the road. I think he has been very hesitant to take charge deferring to the seniors this year, but maybe this game turned a corner for him

[MattyWarrior]

Otules only job should be Rebounding and Defense,his reactions to the ball are so slow! His numbers are awful for
a grown man with his size.

[NersEllenson]

While I have agreed with you on your assessment of our guard play, maybe derrick showed his real value today. as the other upperclassmen gave up on the tam and coaches today, Derrick tried to take over in the 2nd half. Hopefully that will have good consequences down the road. I think he has been very hesitant to take charge deferring to the seniors this year, but maybe this game turned a corner for him

Hope you are right...just wish I could put stock into the performance given St. John's essentially called off the dawgs the last 7 minutes of the game and that's when we saw some point production from D-Will.  I've never felt Derrick didn't play hard...felt he's always given max effort - so that's not my concern.  Same with Jake...plays hard, max effort guy.  But, it takes more than just playing hard to win games.

[Big Papi]

The overall guard play has not been good this year, period.  That includes Derrick Wilson, Thomas, Mayo, Dawson and JJJ.  None are worthy starters for a NCAA tourney team and all should be getting spot minutes at best.

This has nothing to do with Buzz's inability to coach or his substitution patterns.  Buzz just needs to recruit better guards.  Its not that our guards are not talented but their flaws are fatal.  Derrick can't shoot.  Thomas lacks athletic ability to get his shot off.  Dawson and JJJ need to improve their defense by a ton and stop chucking shots.  Mayo well I can't figure him out and apparently neither can anyone else.

Hopefully Buzz brings in some legit well rounded guards over the next few years.

[jesmu84]

The overall guard play has not been good this year, period.  That includes Derrick Wilson, Thomas, Mayo, Dawson and JJJ.  None are worthy starters for a NCAA tourney team and all should be getting spot minutes at best.

This has nothing to do with Buzz's inability to coach or his substitution patterns.  Buzz just needs to recruit better guards.  Its not that our guards are not talented but their flaws are fatal.  Derrick can't shoot.  Thomas lacks athletic ability to get his shot off.  Dawson and JJJ need to improve their defense by a ton and stop chucking shots.  Mayo well I can't figure him out and apparently neither can anyone else.

Hopefully Buzz brings in some legit well rounded guards over the next few years.

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[ChicosBailBonds]

The overall guard play has not been good this year, period.  That includes Derrick Wilson, Thomas, Mayo, Dawson and JJJ.  None are worthy starters for a NCAA tourney team and all should be getting spot minutes at best.

This has nothing to do with Buzz's inability to coach or his substitution patterns.  Buzz just needs to recruit better guards.  Its not that our guards are not talented but their flaws are fatal.  Derrick can't shoot.  Thomas lacks athletic ability to get his shot off.  Dawson and JJJ need to improve their defense by a ton and stop chucking shots.  Mayo well I can't figure him out and apparently neither can anyone else.

Hopefully Buzz brings in some legit well rounded guards over the next few years.

It's a guards game.  Amen brother, amen!

[GGGG]

Was a must win game today and we laid an egg.  This season is on Buzz.  Been totally disjointed in his rotation/lineups ALL season long.  No synergy - other than generally playing the same 2 in the backcourt the most/consistent minutes...that have had their share of struggles and limitations.

Was evident early on the season was going to be a struggle if major changes weren't made.  None of these guys are getting into a rhythm in games, they aren't playing alongside the same guys 90% of the time.  Just impossible to get into a flow, and get some results.

The rotation needs to be pared to 8-9 guys...should have been done a long time ago...start your 5 most talented guys...and then you have your 3 and 4 subs who basically come in and sub for the same guy over and over.

I would agree if players on this team would show some consistency.  But they don't.  So Buzz is mixing and matching to win games.

[bilsu]

The only way it is on Buzz is that he recruited the players. The announcers talked about how Buzz made a point in practice not to leave Harrison open and the team left him open and he got hot. That is not on Buzz, it is on the players not doing what Buzz prepared them to do. However, the way they played you have to wonder if it was a good idea to take the team to a Broadway play last night.

[NersEllenson]

I would agree if players on this team would show some consistency.  But they don't.  So Buzz is mixing and matching to win games.

I would hypothesize that the players on this team might show more consistency - if they had a consistent role/minutes.  It's been a clusterf*ck all year with all but 1-2 guys getting consistent minutes.  I would surmise that the guys feel a lot of pressure coming in games, thinking...I have to produce, and produce right away in the game when I get in..not make a mistake....or I know I'm coming out, and could be out the rest of the game.

Rafferty yesterday was beside himself at how ineffective we were at getting the ball to Gardner.  Said, you talk to other coaches, and the first guy they worry about on scouting report is Gardner - so yes, teams want to take him away...but we have to be able to capitalize on that attention, by not consistently choosing to play 4 on 5.

[GGGG]

Rafferty yesterday was beside himself at how ineffective we were at getting the ball to Gardner.  Said, you talk to other coaches, and the first guy they worry about on scouting report is Gardner - so yes, teams want to take him away...but we have to be able to capitalize on that attention, by not consistently choosing to play 4 on 5.

I can't believe you are still trotting out the 4 on 5 line.  That was the same lineup and same subbing philosophy that Buzz used the game before....you know where we jumped out to the big lead...the one where Davante was our leading scorer...and the one who shall not be named lead us in +/-.

Yeah, it's amazing why Buzz would do the exact same thing.

[Dawson Rental]

Hope you are right...just wish I could put stock into the performance given St. John's essentially called off the dawgs the last 7 minutes of the game and that's when we saw some point production from D-Will.  I've never felt Derrick didn't play hard...felt he's always given max effort - so that's not my concern.  Same with Jake...plays hard, max effort guy.  But, it takes more than just playing hard to win games.

I would really like to believe in brandx's point that maybe Derrick has turned a corner, but your observation about St. John's calling off the dogs fits what I saw too.  I saw Derrick driving on the hoop against only token opposition.  A big change from earlier in the game when St. John's dominated in the paint.

[Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup]

I'm going to extend it to the coaching staff and their inability to develop players.

That's right. If there's one thing this coaching staff sucks at, it's developing guys like Vander Blue, Jimmy Butler, Darius Johnson-Odom, Jae Crowder, Dwight Buycks...

[GGGG]

I would really like to believe in brandx's point that maybe Derrick has turned a corner, but your observation about St. John's calling off the dogs fits what I saw too.  I saw Derrick driving on the hoop against only token opposition.  A big change from earlier in the game when St. John's dominated in the paint.

Yeah, I don't take any stock in what happened in the second part of the second half of that game.  Complete garbage time.