Where's the D-Wil love from Ners?

[MU82]

Hmm. Nearly 2 hours after the game and Ners didn't start a topic about Derrick Wilson deserving every single minute he played tonight.

Go figure.

[real chili 83]

Let's not be like the Ners gang. 

Actually, Ners was very complimentary tonight.

[MU82]

Oh, I know. I was just funnin'.

We are allowed to have fun here, aren't we?

(Besides, I'm on the record as generally agreeing with Ners that Buzz needed to try something different because what we were doing wasn't working. And Buzz did try something different tonight. Nice job.)

[Lennys Tap]

Ners said he was "serviceable". Talk about watching a game with a jaundiced eye. LOL

[MU82]

Ners said he was "serviceable". Talk about watching a game with a jaundiced eye. LOL

I seriously thought that for some fairly long stretches Derrick was our best player tonight.

And while I'm not as over-the-top critical of Derrick as Ners & Co., I haven't exactly sung Derrick's praises.

[wadesworld]

I've said it many times before, Derrick is the least of our problems.

[NersEllenson]

Ners said he was "serviceable". Talk about watching a game with a jaundiced eye. LOL

I gave him my SOTG of the game award...still don't think he's the best option for the team, but Derrick played a solid PG tonight.  Had several really nice assists...where he absolutely created a good look for his teammates - notably Burton and Gardner on a couple drives.  Only turned it over once.  Had an easy follow up off of someones miss as I recall bounce right to him for a wide open layup he converted.  Still, I say serviceable, because 4 points in 30 minutes is still pretty minor production...but he did have the 8 assists and a couple of steals as well...and played well on Cotton.

[Lennys Tap]

Still, I say serviceable, because 4 points in 30 minutes is still pretty minor production...but he did have the 8 assists and a couple of steals as well...and played well on Cotton.

He had 4 steals, not a couple. 8 assists to one turnover, which is terrific. And played GREAT defense (as the announcers pointed out several times) on Cotton. But because he only had 4 points (on 3 shots), you say serviceable. Wow. I guess when you're rooting against someone it can affect your eyesight.

[NersEllenson]

He had 4 steals, not a couple. 8 assists to one turnover, which is terrific. And played GREAT defense (as the announcers pointed out several times) on Cotton. But because he only had 4 points (on 3 shots), you say serviceable. Wow. I guess when you're rooting against someone it can affect your eyesight.

I didn't see the first half of the game...but I know Derrick played virtually the entire 2nd half and we got outscored that half 36-30...which is interesting, whereas in the 1st half we dominated...I'd still hypothesize that was due to less Derrick and Jake...and more Dawson, Burton, Mayo, JJJ...

But, because the bar has been set so incredibly low by Mr. Wilson, a game such as tonights which was probably the best of his MU career - seems really GREAT..when in reality, it really isn't anything more than a decent line of production for 30 minutes of play.  Can you not concede that point??

If not, you simply have REALLY low standards.

[forgetful]

I didn't see the first half of the game...but I know Derrick played virtually the entire 2nd half and we got outscored that half 36-30...which is interesting, whereas in the 1st half we dominated...I'd still hypothesize that was due to less Derrick and Jake...and more Dawson, Burton, Mayo, JJJ...

But, because the bar has been set so incredibly low by Mr. Wilson, a game such as tonights which was probably the best of his MU career - seems really GREAT..when in reality, it really isn't anything more than a decent line of production for 30 minutes of play.  Can you not concede that point??

If not, you simply have REALLY low standards.

NO, 8 assists, a dominating defensive performance, handled pressure well (1 TO) and managed every aspect of the game.  That is what you want from a stud PG, not a serviceable one.

The difference between the 1st and 2nd half for the scoring was in the 2nd half they made a lot of really really difficult shots and we missed a ton of layups.

[Otule's Glass Eye]

I'm shocked looking at the box score to see that all of the freshman played 15 minutes or less (Burton - 15, JJJ - 12, Dawson - 10). Felt like they were in for much longer. Perhaps they should've played more in the second half because they didn't do much wrong from what I saw. Sure, they are going to have defensive lapses, but for the offense they bring I think it's worth it.

[Lennys Tap]

I didn't see the first half of the game...but I know Derrick played virtually the entire 2nd half and we got outscored that half 36-30...which is interesting, whereas in the 1st half we dominated...I'd still hypothesize that was due to less Derrick and Jake...and more Dawson, Burton, Mayo, JJJ...

But, because the bar has been set so incredibly low by Mr. Wilson, a game such as tonights which was probably the best of his MU career - seems really GREAT..when in reality, it really isn't anything more than a decent line of production for 30 minutes of play.  Can you not concede that point??

If not, you simply have REALLY low standards.

I am not - repeat, am not - a huge Derrick Wilson fan. He has limitations that I'm well aware of. But tonight, he was not "serviceable". He was the best player on the court. On either team. He forced Providence's best player into a bunch of turnovers and hurried possessions and dominated the game defensively. His 4 steals and 8 to 1 assists to turnover ratio were outstanding. His diving steal at mid court and pass to Jamil (who fed Burton for the dunk) was as good a play as an MU player has made this year. So he scored 4 points - he only took 3 shots and we don't need him to score. There are other ways to be the best player on the floor than scoring. Derrick showed that tonight.

[BallBoy]

I didn't see the first half of the game...but I know Derrick played virtually the entire 2nd half and we got outscored that half 36-30...which is interesting, whereas in the 1st half we dominated...I'd still hypothesize that was due to less Derrick and Jake...and more Dawson, Burton, Mayo, JJJ...

But, because the bar has been set so incredibly low by Mr. Wilson, a game such as tonights which was probably the best of his MU career - seems really GREAT..when in reality, it really isn't anything more than a decent line of production for 30 minutes of play.  Can you not concede that point??

If not, you simply have REALLY low standards.

According to stat sheet play-by-play, Wilson played from 20 to the 15:43 mark.  Score 8-2. Team 8 points scored in 4:17 minutes

Dawson entered at 15:43.  Dawson played until the 11:45 (4 minute run).  He scored 2pts.  Score 11-5.  Team 3 points scored in 4 minutes

Wilson entered at 11:45 and played until 7:09 (4:30 run) Score is 20-10. Team 9 Points in 4:30.  

Dawson game in a 7:09 and played until 4:54 score is 24-10 (2:15 run) Team 4 points

Wilson comes in a 4:54 and plays to 2:12 (2:40 run) score is 26-12 Team 2 points

Dawson from 2:12 - 1:46 (:26 run) score is 28-14 Team 2 points

Derrick 1:46 - :55 (~1:00 run) score is 31-14 Team 3 points

Dawson :55 - 0 (:55 run) score is 31-14 0 points

First half
Derrick 21pts for but 9 points scored against
Dawson 10 points and 5 points against

Second half
Wilson plays 20 - 15:02 Team points 6 Score 37-23
Dawson plays 15:02 - 11:33 (3:30) Team point 0 score 37-34
Wilson plays 11:33 - end of game Score 61-50 24 Team points

Derrick Wilson 30 points.  Points against 25 points
Dawson 0 points  Points against 11 points

Overall
Wilson 51 points while in game. 34 point against
Dawson 10 points while in game.  16 points against with  3:30 offensive dry spell and 11-0 run

Doesn't support your story.  Wilson was +17 while Dawson was -6 and  the PG for the Providence 11-0 run.

[ronald dragon]

If D.Wilson can continue to play like this, rotating him and Dawson as Dawson develops will be a very nice PG combo.

[tower912]

Dawson had a really good first half.    His play dictated that he get extended run.   In the second half, he came in on the line change early in the 16-0 run and was the PG for 11 of the 16.   His play in the second half dictated that he only play 3:30 of the second half.   The upperclassmen came in and Buzz rode them the last 10 minutes when MU righted the ship and pulled away.  This is good coaching.   Dawson's defense in the first half on Cotton was superb.   His play in the first half meant that Derrick wasn't gassed having to go the last 10 minutes.   This is as it should be.   
NERS, if the rookie relief pitcher that you really like comes in and goes walk, walk, HBP, slam, do you argue the manager pulled him to quick when he doesn't face another batter?        Dawson looked like a freshman last night.   No shame in that.   He was great in the first half, not so much in the second.   He'll get better.    Enjoy the win.   

[bilsu]

Dawson did not seem comfortable against Providence's press.

[avid1010]

dawson was just fine, and he continues to impress me with his confidence (buzz says he's too dumb to know better...which cracks me up).  wilson played a good game, and i don't think buzz will go away from wilson unless teams really play off of him.  that hasn't happened the last two games, which is interesting.  personally, if i were providence, i would have been fouling him anytime he got the ball in an advantageous position.

does anyone know how buzz subs...or did he comment at all on his philosophy last night??  i was trying to figure it out as the starters expanded the lead and were pulled after 3 min in the first half, on to have the second group come in and give up a 10-0 run over about 10 min. before he subbed again. 

[willie warrior]

He had 4 steals, not a couple. 8 assists to one turnover, which is terrific. And played GREAT defense (as the announcers pointed out several times) on Cotton. But because he only had 4 points (on 3 shots), you say serviceable. Wow. I guess when you're rooting against someone it can affect your eyesight.

The announcers, who you just applauded, also picked Ox as player of the game. So who are you listening to? Derrick did play well for most of the game, but his guy did score 20, most of it when Derrick was on him and he had help. If you want to go with him for 30 minutes a game, fine. Then they better be the first 30, because in close games they will play Hack a Derrick. And we all know how that will roll, for a 47% FT shooter.

OK, Derrick is now the stud and elite defender that Buzz says he is. One game out of 21.

[willie warrior]

NO, 8 assists, a dominating defensive performance, handled pressure well (1 TO) and managed every aspect of the game.  That is what you want from a stud PG, not a serviceable one.

The difference between the 1st and 2nd half for the scoring was in the 2nd half they made a lot of really really difficult shots and we missed a ton of layups.

Managed every aspect of the game? His guy got 20. How did he manage the two brick FT's? He played well in one game and the crowd goes apesh$t. Embellishment is at an all time high here.

Oh, I get it. Now all cylinders are clicking. I feel it, Elite 8 or bust. All is well with the world.

[Lennys Tap]

Managed every aspect of the game? His guy got 20. How did he manage the two brick FT's? He played well in one game and the crowd goes apesh$t. Embellishment is at an all time high here.

Oh, I get it. Now all cylinders are clicking. I feel it, Elite 8 or bust. All is well with the world.

Some people don't want to see. They have too much invested in a counter narrative. Others can't see. If you saw the game and didn't see how Derrick dominated on defense then you're in group #2.

[g0lden3agle]

Managed every aspect of the game? His guy got 20. How did he manage the two brick FT's? He played well in one game and the crowd goes apesh$t. Embellishment is at an all time high here.

Oh, I get it. Now all cylinders are clicking. I feel it, Elite 8 or bust. All is well with the world.

"His guy got 20" on an EFG% of 41.6% (season average 46.5%) and a 94.5 offensive rating (117.7 average).  It's ok though, keep picking a stat at random to demonstrate your points.

[Dreadman24]

Lol you D Wil lovers are so delusional

[g0lden3agle]

Lol you D Wil lovers are so delusional

Lol can't wait till all your JJJ predictions come true.

[mu03eng]

I didn't see the first half of the game...but I know Derrick played virtually the entire 2nd half and we got outscored that half 36-30...which is interesting, whereas in the 1st half we dominated...I'd still hypothesize that was due to less Derrick and Jake...and more Dawson, Burton, Mayo, JJJ...

But, because the bar has been set so incredibly low by Mr. Wilson, a game such as tonights which was probably the best of his MU career - seems really GREAT..when in reality, it really isn't anything more than a decent line of production for 30 minutes of play.  Can you not concede that point??

If not, you simply have REALLY low standards.

I think you hypothosis is off, I think the issue is when it is Jake and Derrick together.  Derrick and Mayo/JJJ or Dawson and Jake would be much preferred.

I guess I won't concede the point because I don't understand what makes an extraordinary stat line for you.  Wilson was responsible for 22 points either via assist or direct scoring.  He also limited the highest scoring point guard in the big east to below his average.  I'm not saying it's an amazing stat line, but I think within the context of the game it is just as impressive as Dawson's performance against Georgetown.

Not saying all is right, just saying last night Derrick earned it more, at Georgetown Dawson earned it more....against St John's we'll see who earns it more, I suspect Dawson will have a larger impact in that game than last night's

[ATL MU Warrior]

The announcers, who you just applauded, also picked Ox as player of the game. So who are you listening to? Derrick did play well for most of the game, but his guy did score 20, most of it when Derrick was on him and he had help. If you want to go with him for 30 minutes a game, fine. Then they better be the first 30, because in close games they will play Hack a Derrick. And we all know how that will roll, for a 47% FT shooter.

OK, Derrick is now the stud and elite defender that Buzz says he is. One game out of 21.

You have absolutely zero clue as to what happened in that game last night.  Did you even watch it or did you just look at the box score this morning?

That's a serious question.

As for Hack a Derrick, we have played in a LOT of close games this year...haven't seen that brilliant strategy once that I can recall.