This is how to respond to bad officiating

[MU82]

The foul that gave Mayo three FTs was a borderline call, but it happens. The offensive foul that wiped out Nova's game-winning bucket will go down as one of the worst calls this entire NCAA basketball season. Had those calls gone against Marquette in a similar situation, we would have gone bat$hit about them on this board, and rightfully so. And had we gone on to lose, many of us would have blamed the refs instead of our team's inability to overcome the calls.

Villanova felt ripped off ... but then came out and beat the crap out of us in OT. Completely creamed us. Had they lost, would they have whined about the calls? Almost certainly. But they made sure they didn't have to.

They moved on and controlled what they could control -- how they played and coached -- and they took care of business on the road against a desperate team that had rallied from a big deficit.

Kudos to Jay Wright and Villanova for providing a classic example of a team with the mental toughness to not let the refs cost them a game.

Bad calls suck, but a team almost always has numerous chances to overcome them. Let's remember that the next time we get "screwed." (I know; that's asking a lot.)

[copious1218]

Didn't MU do that exact same thing against Georgetown?

[MU82]

Didn't MU do that exact same thing against Georgetown?

I don't remember a call that robbed us on the final play of the game in that one.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I don't remember a call that robbed us on the final play of the game in that one.

No one call robs anyone....it's in fans heads.  A blown charge call in the first half that wipes out 2 points is still negating the same 2 points.

[denverMU]

The foul that gave Mayo three FTs was a borderline call, but it happens. The offensive foul that wiped out Nova's game-winning bucket will go down as one of the worst calls this entire NCAA basketball season. Had those calls gone against Marquette in a similar situation, we would have gone bat$hit about them on this board, and rightfully so. And had we gone on to lose, many of us would have blamed the refs instead of our team's inability to overcome the calls.

Villanova felt ripped off ... but then came out and beat the crap out of us in OT. Completely creamed us. Had they lost, would they have whined about the calls? Almost certainly. But they made sure they didn't have to.

They moved on and controlled what they could control -- how they played and coached -- and they took care of business on the road against a desperate team that had rallied from a big deficit.

Kudos to Jay Wright and Villanova for providing a classic example of a team with the mental toughness to not let the refs cost them a game.

Bad calls suck, but a team almost always has numerous chances to overcome them. Let's remember that the next time we get "screwed." (I know; that's asking a lot.)

It's hard(maybe not on this board) for a post to have so many factual errors.  First, the foul on Mayo was not "borderline".  Look at the replay, he was clearly undercut on the shot, not even close, a clear foul.  Next, the offensive foul call, there is no question STjr is set and in position.  The question is was his right foot inside the arc?  There is no doubt his right foot started inside the arc, but if you look at the replay(as I have 10 times) his right foot lifts up and maybe outside the arc.  I say maybe, because it is a very close call that could have gone either way.  It went our way, finally.  So no where near "the worst call of the NCAA basketball season".  If your looking nominations I have two.  Let's go back to the Georgetown game, with 27.7 seconds to play MU rebounds the ball and the refs blow the whistle because they think there may have been a shot clock violation.  They review the tape, determine no shot clock violation and give the ball to Georgetown.  We had possession of the ball when they blew the whistle.  Clearly a terrible call.  Then with 25.7 seconds to play, in the same game, Starks clearly travels and falls out of bounds and DWilson is called for a foul.  So the refs miss the travel call, they call a foul that did not occur, and they miss the out of bounds call.  So they make three mistakes on one call.  I would say this could be the worst call of the season.

So, let's see, two terrible calls in the last seconds of the game and this board did not go bat$hit about them.  In fact, I do not remember seeing one post about them.  Probably because we won.  If we lost, this board would have gone nuts and justifiably so.  They would have cost us the game.  

Finally, as far as Jay Wright handling it so well, he was going nuts on the sideline.  He had to be held back multiple times.  First, when it happened, then after .02 seconds was put back on the clock, and then before overtime started. Hardly forgetting about it and moving on.  As for overtime, Buzz went back to that outstanding starting lineup and the rest is history.

So to summarize, it's hard to find anything that is accurate in this post, but don't let that stop you from posting it.

[GGGG]

You aren't outside the arc if your heel isn't on the floor but "hovering" over the line.  It was a terrible call.  A complete gift.

But the three point call was a clear foul. 

[We R Final Four]

The foul that gave Mayo three FTs was a borderline call, but it happens.

This was not even close to a borderline call.  When you shoot a three but your feet are taken out from under you by the defender, its a foul.  Any ref in the pros, college, or HS, watching the shooter in that situation makes that call.  Not a borderline call.

[MU82]

It's hard(maybe not on this board) for a post to have so many factual errors.  First, the foul on Mayo was not "borderline".  Look at the replay, he was clearly undercut on the shot, not even close, a clear foul.  Next, the offensive foul call, there is no question STjr is set and in position.  The question is was his right foot inside the arc?  There is no doubt his right foot started inside the arc, but if you look at the replay(as I have 10 times) his right foot lifts up and maybe outside the arc.  I say maybe, because it is a very close call that could have gone either way.  It went our way, finally.  So no where near "the worst call of the NCAA basketball season".  If your looking nominations I have two.  Let's go back to the Georgetown game, with 27.7 seconds to play MU rebounds the ball and the refs blow the whistle because they think there may have been a shot clock violation.  They review the tape, determine no shot clock violation and give the ball to Georgetown.  We had possession of the ball when they blew the whistle.  Clearly a terrible call.  Then with 25.7 seconds to play, in the same game, Starks clearly travels and falls out of bounds and DWilson is called for a foul.  So the refs miss the travel call, they call a foul that did not occur, and they miss the out of bounds call.  So they make three mistakes on one call.  I would say this could be the worst call of the season.

So, let's see, two terrible calls in the last seconds of the game and this board did not go bat$hit about them.  In fact, I do not remember seeing one post about them.  Probably because we won.  If we lost, this board would have gone nuts and justifiably so.  They would have cost us the game.  

Finally, as far as Jay Wright handling it so well, he was going nuts on the sideline.  He had to be held back multiple times.  First, when it happened, then after .02 seconds was put back on the clock, and then before overtime started. Hardly forgetting about it and moving on.  As for overtime, Buzz went back to that outstanding starting lineup and the rest is history.

So to summarize, it's hard to find anything that is accurate in this post, but don't let that stop you from posting it.

OK, even though I wouldn't have been happy had the 3-pointer foul been called against my team, I'll give you that one. However, the charge was a horrendous call, and every national commentator out there has said so.

Jay Wright went nuts, as most any coach would. And then he got down to the business of coaching basketball. And then his team overcame as bad a call as anyone will ever see on the very last play of regulation and absolutely annihilated our team.

Yes, we overcame some bad calls against Georgetown and won. That's to be commended. It beats whining every time.

[nathanziarek]

Everyone online seems to have he same angle of this, where the question of "in or out" of the circle is impossible to see. Spending way too much time on this over the last ten minutes, it looks like like he makesi to it side the arc pretty convincingly.

The question should be around the upward motion of the defender. He might have started his jump before Steve was set. Even in slow mo that's hard to tell.

Not sure why this has been deemed such a horrific call. At best it's ambiguous.

(That all said, a better angle could change my mind...I just don't see the absolute nature of the call, in either direction, honestly.)

[MU82]

Everyone online seems to have he same angle of this, where the question of "in or out" of the circle is impossible to see. Spending way too much time on this over the last ten minutes, it looks like like he makesi to it side the arc pretty convincingly.

The question should be around the upward motion of the defender. He might have started his jump before Steve was set. Even in slow mo that's hard to tell.

Not sure why this has been deemed such a horrific call. At best it's ambiguous.

OK, now we're straying from the point of this thread, and that's probably as much my fault as anybody's.

Let's say the call was borderline, not horrific and not the worst ever, just borderline. Villanova still THOUGHT it was the worst call ever. And yet they responded to adversity as a good team should.

That's all I was trying to say.

[4everwarriors]

The charge against VU at the end of the game was awful. That's why Burr is legendary. He'd never would have blown the whistle. His group went outta their way in OT to fix their mistake.

[denverMU]

OK, MU82, first huge kudos to you, instead of arguing points that are inaccurate you accept them and move on.  Very refreshing for this board.  Yes, Villanova crushed us in overtime.  Was that a function of their poise or our poor defense with our starting lineup?  Probably a little of both.  Finally, my point is MU did the same thing in the Georgetown game and in my opinion because we stuck with Dawson.

[MU82]

The charge against VU at the end of the game was awful. That's why Burr is legendary. He'd never would have blown the whistle. His group went outta their way in OT to fix their mistake.

You're really gonna try to turn this around to say the refs cost us the game?

The main thing I remember about OT was Arcidiacono getting around Derrick to draw a foul on him on the first possession and then Mayo immediately throwing a horrible pass that led to a 3-point play on which Jamil fouled out. Down 5, game over.

[nathanziarek]

I think Marquette bounced back after a rough (whether right or wrong) couple of calls in the Georgetown game and Villanova certainly didn't give up after feeling hosed by the end of this game. I agree, playing hard is the best way to overcome perceived slights.

As for this game, I thought that final drive that resulted in a charge was pretty much a sign of things to come. Marquette's defense never looked the same after that layup.

[karavotsos]

NCAA basketball officiating is simply bad.  All teams have to deal with it.  It rarely appears to benefit one team or the other, overall.  Teams simply have to battle through bad calls, and I'm sure its something that all coaches (except possibly Bo Ryan) talk about.

That said, it should be embarrassing for the NCAA that it is this bad and they keep trotting out the same guy and use the same system.  When they do not show replays at the Bradley Center in order to protect the officials, that is embarrassing.  When Pete Gillen can call Jim Burr the best NCAA official that is embarrassing.  Say what you will about the NBA, but they have largely made their officiating consistent and predictable, especially if you watch a lot of games.  They had problems in the past that people love to cling to as an excuse to dislike the game, but I would say those are largely unwarranted.  The NCAA, on the other hand, does not seem to care about creating a consistent product.  It is disappointing.

NCAA officials act more like tyrants overseeing their fiefdom than servants of a game.  Unimpressive. 

[MUHoopsFan2]

Click this instagram from Evan Turner on the Nova' MU game and the call:

http://instagram.com/p/jm2conzSBA/

Many did not like the call made at he end of the game....what did MCW say at the end of this?

Marquette stays....what!? Sounds like he said "Marquette stays cheating!?"

Excuse me,  clown. LOL.

You listen and you decide...

[MUHoopsFan2]

You're really gonna try to turn this around to say the refs cost us the game?

The main thing I remember about OT was Arcidiacono getting around Derrick to draw a foul on him on the first possession and then Mayo immediately throwing a horrible pass that led to a 3-point play on which Jamil fouled out. Down 5, game over.

They did. You are naive and don't know the politics of basketball. They indirectly did cost us the game.

I knew once it went into OT and the looked at the replay that they would not call that again...

It is just the way it is. It is an unwritten code or rule. Come on I should not have to explain this to you.

No way they were going to let Nova' lose if Nova' was still trying and stayed focused. Give them credit.

Nova' did not feel sorry for themselves and they played aggressive and tough in OT. The refs rewarded it.

Can I prove that? No I can't, I just know they did and they should have. 

[CTWarrior]

I said in the game thread before OT started that we weren't going to get a call in OT.  But we got stomped in OT.  Nothing to do with the officials.

[GGGG]

They did. You are naive and don't know the politics of basketball. They indirectly did cost us the game.

Ridiculous.  No way did the refs "indirectly cost us the game."

[copious1218]

I don't remember a call that robbed us on the final play of the game in that one.

No, but two, questionable at best, calls in the last 30 seconds were huge.  And Marquette had the mental fortitude to overcome them and win in OT.  I thought it was similar enough to bring up. 

[jsheim]

The foul that gave Mayo three FTs was a borderline call, but it happens.....

It's hard(maybe not on this board) for a post to have so many factual errors.....  

And the winner is....drum roll please....denverMU!!  

[T-Bone]

I was hoping this was going to turn to chucking these babies out on the court.

[ChicosBailBonds]

They did. You are naive and don't know the politics of basketball. They indirectly did cost us the game.

I knew once it went into OT and the looked at the replay that they would not call that again...

It is just the way it is. It is an unwritten code or rule. Come on I should not have to explain this to you.

No way they were going to let Nova' lose if Nova' was still trying and stayed focused. Give them credit.

Nova' did not feel sorry for themselves and they played aggressive and tough in OT. The refs rewarded it.

Can I prove that? No I can't, I just know they did and they should have. 

Please....stop.   If you are going to make up such nonsense, go through EVERY call in the game.  All the calls have an impact, not just the ones at the end.  They provide scoring opportunities (free throws), force coaches to put players on the bench to protect them, etc.  Go through every single call and non call.....problem is, no one does this exercise.  They don't care what happened with a "bad call" in the first half that sends a guy to the free throw line for 2 shots, but if it happens at the end of the game...well those 2 free throws "cost us the game".

This is the mentality of fans.  It's wrong...it's lazy.

[avid1010]

No one call robs anyone....it's in fans heads.  A blown charge call in the first half that wipes out 2 points is still negating the same 2 points.

this is crazy.  how you coach and deal with a bs call in the first half that costs you two points is totally different than how you deal with it in the last seconds of the game.  it's like saying 10 gallons of gas, is 10 gallons of gas.  you can take a gallon away from me at anytime and it's all the same...only if you take the gallon away when i only have one gallon left...it's a bit more of a problem.  it's not only in the fans heads either...instant replay rules support the notion as well.

[Lennys Tap]

Please....stop.   If you are going to make up such nonsense, go through EVERY call in the game.  All the calls have an impact, not just the ones at the end.  They provide scoring opportunities (free throws), force coaches to put players on the bench to protect them, etc.  Go through every single call and non call.....problem is, no one does this exercise.  They don't care what happened with a "bad call" in the first half that sends a guy to the free throw line for 2 shots, but if it happens at the end of the game...well those 2 free throws "cost us the game".

This is the mentality of fans.  It's wrong...it's lazy.

I agree. Just like it's lazy to call a team lucky because shots go in at the end or your opponent has a turnover. Luck ebbs and flows over 40 minutes, just like calls. Luck in the last minute can't be the cause for victory if games aren't really decided then.