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dgies9156

Good lord, I have no idea.

If I was Buzz, about the only thing I would do would be to bench my seniors and begin playing my core for next year. Get Steve Taylor Jr., some time if he is healthy, Play Jujuan, Deonte and maybe Todd a LOT. Give Juan enough time to see if he has it. Time for Jake and Jamal to have a seat.

To use a baseball analogy, we're at September 8 and we're 10 games out of first place with four teams in front of us. The season is a loss. Let's begin planning for next year and hope for something better.

Texas Western

Quote from: dgies9156 on January 18, 2014, 06:05:33 PM
Good lord, I have no idea.

If I was Buzz, about the only thing I would do would be to bench my seniors and begin playing my core for next year. Get Steve Taylor Jr., some time if he is healthy, Play Jujuan, Deonte and maybe Todd a LOT. Give Juan enough time to see if he has it. Time for Jake and Jamal to have a seat.

To use a baseball analogy, we're at September 8 and we're 10 games out of first place with four teams in front of us. The season is a loss. Let's begin planning for next year and hope for something better.
Ditto


TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: dgies9156 on January 18, 2014, 06:05:33 PM
Good lord, I have no idea.

If I was Buzz, about the only thing I would do would be to bench my seniors and begin playing my core for next year. Get Steve Taylor Jr., some time if he is healthy, Play Jujuan, Deonte and maybe Todd a LOT. Give Juan enough time to see if he has it. Time for Jake and Jamal to have a seat.

To use a baseball analogy, we're at September 8 and we're 10 games out of first place with four teams in front of us. The season is a loss. Let's begin planning for next year and hope for something better.

We can afford three more losses before we are out of the tournament picture. Until then, we play to win now.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


UticaBusBarn

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 18, 2014, 06:34:39 PM
We can afford three more losses before we are out of the tournament picture. Until then, we play to win now.



Most certainly agree with being able to afford three more losses; however, the Warriors are "trending" the wrong way (choke), and if nothing is changed, they will continue to fade away the last 10 minutes of close games.

warriorfred

I agree with the original post.  It's time to play for next season.

downtown85

Quote from: dgies9156 on January 18, 2014, 06:05:33 PM
Good lord, I have no idea.

If I was Buzz, about the only thing I would do would be to bench my seniors and begin playing my core for next year. Get Steve Taylor Jr., some time if he is healthy, Play Jujuan, Deonte and maybe Todd a LOT. Give Juan enough time to see if he has it. Time for Jake and Jamal to have a seat.

To use a baseball analogy, we're at September 8 and we're 10 games out of first place with four teams in front of us. The season is a loss. Let's begin planning for next year and hope for something better.

at least pull the whole gang out and do a hockey lineup change if they don't get a basket during a 4 minute period between time outs. 

NavinRJohnson

You go out and try to win the next game. That's what you do.

All of this play for next year talk is just silly. How exactly do you do that. Johnson is hurt. Taylor is obviously not healthy. Fact is, you still need to have 5 guys out there for 40 minutes.

Like it or not, playing for next year would really be about guys like Derrik Wilson and Juan Anderson. They aren't going anywhere and are going to (should) be expected to contribute next season.

This is not MLB where you can trade away veterans and bring up prospects. Wholesale line up  changes simly aren't realistic.

GooooMarquette

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on January 19, 2014, 09:59:07 AM
You go out and try to win the next game. That's what you do.

All of this play for next year talk is just silly. How exactly do you do that. Johnson is hurt. Taylor is obviously not healthy. Fact is, you still need to have 5 guys out there for 40 minutes.

Like it or not, playing for next year would really be about guys like Derrik Wilson and Juan Anderson. They aren't going anywhere and are going to (should) be expected to contribute next season.

This is not MLB where you can trade away veterans and bring up prospects. Wholesale line up  changes simly aren't realistic.

Correct.  Plan A is trying to win the next game.  As others have said, this season is not over, and expecting Buzz to throw in the towel is disappointing and unrealistic.

And playing for next season - like it or not - starts with the Juniors who will be Seniors.  Derrick, Juan and Todd will be the core of next year's team, so even if we start playing for next season, it likely means that Derrick continues to get huge minutes, and Todd and Juan play more.  Yes, the younger players would also get more minutes if we start to play for next year, but they would NOT get those minutes at the expense of players who will still be here.  The guys who would sit would be Jake, Jamil, Chris and yes, even Davante.

alexius23

Accept the fact the NCAA is gone this year & hope we can make the NIT.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

My God, the NCAA is not lost. If we continue to lose like this, then yes, it is gone. But all we need is to go 10-3 the rest of the way. Until we lose that 4th game, fans shouldn't give up. And even if we do, there is still the BET.

You can give up if you want to, that's your prerogative, but don't ask the team to give up on the year and "play for next year"
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 19, 2014, 11:26:55 AM
My God, the NCAA is not lost. If we continue to lose like this, then yes, it is gone. But all we need is to go 10-3 the rest of the way. Until we lose that 4th game, fans shouldn't give up. And even if we do, there is still the BET.

You can give up if you want to, that's your prerogative, but don't ask the team to give up on the year and "play for next year"

No sh*t. So many Debbie downers and sallies in this board. Does a NCAA at large look likely right now? No. But a 12-6 record gets them an at large of they don't go 1 and done in NYC. And even if the boys continue to dissappint and finish up 10-8 or 9-9 in conference, there is still the BIg East tournament. So no, you don't throw in the towel. There are no fu*king draft picks in college basketball, and the majority of conference play is still on the table. Man up.
Quote from: Goose on February 09, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.

Nevada233

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 19, 2014, 11:26:55 AM
My God, the NCAA is not lost. If we continue to lose like this, then yes, it is gone. But all we need is to go 10-3 the rest of the way. Until we lose that 4th game, fans shouldn't give up. And even if we do, there is still the BET.

You can give up if you want to, that's your prerogative, but don't ask the team to give up on the year and "play for next year"

this team 10-3 that would mean beating villanova twice, creighton and xavier... not happening that........... 8-5 is more a reality and thats even a stretch...

JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Quote from: Nevada233 on January 19, 2014, 11:37:10 AM
this team 10-3 that would mean beating villanova twice, creighton and xavier... not happening that........... 8-5 is more a reality and thats even a stretch...

How do you figure? If this team beats Nova twice, CU and X, I like their chances of going better than 10-3. I don't thinks that's gonna happen, but your logic sucks.

Quote from: Goose on February 09, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.

Superfan

I find it laughable that anyone who has watched this team play 17 games can think that we have a chance to go to the NCAA.  If there was progression and we were getting better I would feel differently but we were at a point where beating a 0-5 team on the road would have been a "signature win" and we lost.  We have had 8 chances to beat good-decent teams and lost every game.  Our best wins were at home against DePaul and Seton Hall.  Buzz is looking at a rebuilding project.

Nevada233

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 19, 2014, 11:42:07 AM
How do you figure? If this team beats Nova twice, CU and X, I like their chances of going better than 10-3. I don't thinks that's gonna happen, but your logic sucks.



If you think this team is going to beat Villanova 2x, CU and X who are a combined 49-7 this year....... you must have your Blue and Gold lenses on... that Wont happen... logic or not... unless D. Wade is coming back and bringing Wes Matthews, Jae Crowder, Jimmy Butler and DJO with him.....

ATWizJr

Quote from: Nevada233 on January 19, 2014, 12:29:39 PM
If you think this team is going to beat Villanova 2x, CU and X who are a combined 49-7 this year....... you must have your Blue and Gold lenses on... that Wont happen... logic or not... unless D. Wade is coming back and bringing Wes Matthews, Jae Crowder, Jimmy Butler and DJO with him.....
Off our most recent performance, I don't see a guaranteed win the rest of the way.

keefe

Quote from: ATWizJr on January 19, 2014, 12:33:09 PM
Off our most recent performance, I don't see a guaranteed win the rest of the way.

If you were here, Tom, I would pour you a stiff one. This figures to be a long year. I guess we were due.


Death on call

JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Quote from: Nevada233 on January 19, 2014, 12:29:39 PM
If you think this team is going to beat Villanova 2x, CU and X who are a combined 49-7 this year....... you must have your Blue and Gold lenses on... that Wont happen... logic or not... unless D. Wade is coming back and bringing Wes Matthews, Jae Crowder, Jimmy Butler and DJO with him.....

I clearly stated I don't think that is going to happen. What I did say is that they don't need to beat Nova 2x, CU and X to go 10-3 in the last 13.
Quote from: Goose on February 09, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.

dgies9156

Quote from: Superfan on January 19, 2014, 12:11:36 PM
I find it laughable that anyone who has watched this team play 17 games can think that we have a chance to go to the NCAA.  If there was progression and we were getting better I would feel differently but we were at a point where beating a 0-5 team on the road would have been a "signature win" and we lost.  We have had 8 chances to beat good-decent teams and lost every game.  Our best wins were at home against DePaul and Seton Hall.  Buzz is looking at a rebuilding project.

Thank you for speaking the truth.

Let's begin now so that the mistakes that are far too common now are rare next year. That comes with experience. Experience that John Dawson, Jujuan, et al don't have. If Steve is injured, OK, then we should have red shirted him (and perhaps we might still be able to petition the NCAA).

I've watched Marquette basketball since the 1960s and have followed it closely since then. I've also been a big college basketball fan since that time as well. I see nothing in this team that suggests we're post-season candidates and even if we are, I'm not sure "one-and-done" is worth sacrificing the future for.

For you Biz-Ad majors, it's a present value equation. We sit Jamil, Chris et al now and make our mistakes today in hopes that 2014-2015 and 2015-2016 will be glory years. Play who we think will be the core of our future and let them make their mistakes when it DOES NOT MATTER! Perhaps they have more skill and maturity than we think!

keefe

Quote from: downtown85 on January 19, 2014, 09:38:47 AM
at least pull the whole gang out and do a hockey lineup change if they don't get a basket during a 4 minute period between time outs. 

Scrambled Eggs!!


Death on call

79Warrior

Quote from: Superfan on January 19, 2014, 12:11:36 PM
I find it laughable that anyone who has watched this team play 17 games can think that we have a chance to go to the NCAA.  If there was progression and we were getting better I would feel differently but we were at a point where beating a 0-5 team on the road would have been a "signature win" and we lost.  We have had 8 chances to beat good-decent teams and lost every game.  Our best wins were at home against DePaul and Seton Hall.  Buzz is looking at a rebuilding project.

This. No question Marquette is shaping up as a big disappointment this season.

muwarrior97

Play for the future, play the frosh and STJ and build up for next year since I don't even think the CBI wants this squad
#RGV #ReturnTheWarriorMindset

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: muwarrior97 on January 19, 2014, 03:20:34 PM
Play for the future, play the frosh and STJ and build up for next year since I don't even think the CBI wants this squad

Good plan. JJJ and Taylor are both hurt. When Burton and Dawson foul out with 15 minutes to play, then what? Time to quit searching for easy answers the current roster simply won't support.

forgetful

Quote from: dgies9156 on January 19, 2014, 01:27:25 PM
Thank you for speaking the truth.

Let's begin now so that the mistakes that are far too common now are rare next year. That comes with experience. Experience that John Dawson, Jujuan, et al don't have. If Steve is injured, OK, then we should have red shirted him (and perhaps we might still be able to petition the NCAA).

I've watched Marquette basketball since the 1960s and have followed it closely since then. I've also been a big college basketball fan since that time as well. I see nothing in this team that suggests we're post-season candidates and even if we are, I'm not sure "one-and-done" is worth sacrificing the future for.

For you Biz-Ad majors, it's a present value equation. We sit Jamil, Chris et al now and make our mistakes today in hopes that 2014-2015 and 2015-2016 will be glory years. Play who we think will be the core of our future and let them make their mistakes when it DOES NOT MATTER! Perhaps they have more skill and maturity than we think!

If that is the take-away you are getting from your education, it makes me wonder what they are teaching students.  I would contend that if you could construct a present value equation that took into consideration all the effects and variables at play that you would see that sticking with the veteran players that give you the best chance to win now is the best long term value. 

The problem with any equation/model is if you do not include the appropriate number of variables you can get an incorrect result.

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