[Cracked Sidewalks]Five Charts That Show Why Marquette Should be Better (But Isn't Yet)

[Lighthouse 84]

Again, Dawson has had zero games where his impact on the game has been positive. Zero. Not once has Dawson's contribution made the team better.

His net impact is negative nine in 1/5th the usage. Give Dawson the same usage as DWil and he's twice as bad.

A player's efficiency goes down with increased usage and minutes. If Dawson is already bad offensively, he'll get worse with more minutes.

and remember, figures don't lie, but liars do figure!  Huh?  Remember Penn Central?

[NersEllenson]

Again, Dawson has had zero games where his impact on the game has been positive. Zero. Not once has Dawson's contribution made the team better.

His net impact is negative nine in 1/5th the usage. Give Dawson the same usage as DWil and he's twice as bad.

A player's efficiency goes down with increased usage and minutes. If Dawson is already bad offensively, he'll get worse with more minutes.

How do you reconcile the large difference in JJJ's performance in games he's gotten good minutes, as opposed to fewer?

Having played the game extensively, I can tell you it is hard to achieve much production if you get 2-3 minute stints of action - that drives efficiency down.  You want to get a fair read on a player, you need to let him run 6-8 minute stretches.  Getting yanked in and out of the lineup is the worst.  In fact, you'll notice Juan Anderson has had far and away the worst +/- the last few games, and he is consistenly getting yanked in and out of the lineup.  It sucks...and leads to sucky performance.

[bilsu]

How do you reconcile the large difference in JJJ's performance in games he's gotten good minutes, as opposed to fewer?

Having played the game extensively, I can tell you it is hard to achieve much production if you get 2-3 minute stints of action - that drives efficiency down.  You want to get a fair read on a player, you need to let him run 6-8 minute stretches.  Getting yanked in and out of the lineup is the worst.  In fact, you'll notice Juan Anderson has had far and away the worst +/- the last few games, and he is consistenly getting yanked in and out of the lineup.  It sucks...and leads to sucky performance.

He has had two big scoring games against lesser competition. He really has not done much against good teams. I think Burton has scored in every game and early on JJJ was playing more than Burton.

[Henry Sugar]

That claim loses its relevance when talking about a guy who so rarely plays, IMHO.

18% usage guy playing 22 min a night... & you want 23% & 30 min? Yup, absolutely. But o don't think every player "gets worse" every second they play after the first 5 seconds.

Fair enough. In principle I agree with you.

However, there's no data I've seen about rarely used players and an increase of minutes.

Everyone, continue to support whatever position you already believe regarding Dawson!

[Lennys Tap]

How do you reconcile the large difference in JJJ's performance in games he's gotten good minutes, as opposed to fewer?

Having played the game extensively, I can tell you it is hard to achieve much production if you get 2-3 minute stints of action - that drives efficiency down.  You want to get a fair read on a player, you need to let him run 6-8 minute stretches.  Getting yanked in and out of the lineup is the worst.  In fact, you'll notice Juan Anderson has had far and away the worst +/- the last few games, and he is consistenly getting yanked in and out of the lineup.  It sucks...and leads to sucky performance.

Begs the question - did he suck because he was yanked after short stints or was he yanked after short stints because he sucked? A coach can lose his job hoping that 3 minute stints of poor play from guys he already doesn't trust turn into something better with more time. Solution? Be ready to go whenever called. If you're arguing that a coach shouldn't put a guy into a game unless he'll stick with him for at least 6-8 minutes I think that's crazy.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Fair enough. In principle I agree with you.

However, there's no data I've seen about rarely used players and an increase of minutes.

Everyone, continue to support whatever position you already believe regarding Dawson!

Agreed. There has to be a tipping point. In theory, a guy who plays 30secs at a time will probably not be very comfortable/good.

However, what is the magic number before we can start to say that (insert player) is or isn't that good? 4min? 10min? 20min?

[NersEllenson]

Begs the question - did he suck because he was yanked after short stints or was he yanked after short stints because he sucked? A coach can lose his job hoping that 3 minute stints of poor play from guys he already doesn't trust turn into something better with more time. Solution? Be ready to go whenever called. If you're arguing that a coach shouldn't put a guy into a game unless he'll stick with him for at least 6-8 minutes I think that's crazy.

I wouldn't say you put ALL players into a game for 6-8 minutes - there are a few guys who are simply high energy guys designed to give a breather to your clear cut, more talented starter.  I did watch the Iowa State vs Kansas game the other night and found in interesting to see Hoiberg ride lineups with little substitution for 6-10 minutes - including a stretch where Matt Thomas got in the game and launched 3, quick three point shots, and missed them all - and he continued to play on.  That "leash length" helps with a young player, who is a high potential player.  Gotta see them through their growing pains.  Now, a veteran, say a Junior, who is getting 30+ minutes a game and producing very little - that is the kind of player, you can use for short stints of action for breathers and energy.

[GGGG]

JJJ, Deonte and Dawson have all been given extended times to play this year and haven't been yanked as soon as they have made mistakes.  I'm really not sure that Buzz has a shorter leash than many other coaches do in that regard.

[Wojo'sMojo]

JJJ, Deonte and Dawson have all been given extended times to play this year and haven't been yanked as soon as they have made mistakes.  I'm really not sure that Buzz has a shorter leash than many other coaches do in that regard.

JJJ and Dawson's minutes have been sporadic for the most part. It appears Buzz has a shorter leash with some players than others...or it could just be his crazy rotations. Either way it must be hard for someone who was the star of their high school and played big minutes to come in for 2 minutes and produce. These 2 minute intervals would ideally be to spell a star PG, not a freshman trying to develop.

[NersEllenson]

JJJ, Deonte and Dawson have all been given extended times to play this year and haven't been yanked as soon as they have made mistakes.  I'm really not sure that Buzz has a shorter leash than many other coaches do in that regard.

I feel Burton has gotten decent stretches, but he has been highly productive in those minutes.  Surprises me the leash is so short though for the freshman, when we have long stretches of ineffective play by our vets...and vets who for the most part have rarely showed themselves to be productive players in their 2-3 years at MU.

JJJ has gotten a few games of decent stretches of minutes - yet it almost seems if he doesn't produce in the first 2-3 minutes, he's yanked...which causes guys to press.  Felt Todd Mayo played the same way last year.

Dawson - get ready for this - no comment!