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tower912

If ever there was a time to change the starting line-up, this is it.  IMO, the starters should be Otule, Jamil, Todd (or Deonte) Jake, and Derrick. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

mhendrick

Todd- 1
Jake- 2
Juan- 3
Jamil- 4
Gardner- 5

Chris and Derrick defensive subs
jjj and Burton offensive subs

denverMU

1-Mayo
2-Jake
3-Jamil
4-Gardner
5-O'tule

PGsHeroes32

I think I have made it known that I am not a Derrick fan at all.


But Mayo is not ever going to start at PG if he even plays it at all.

So, stop that idea.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

wadesworld

Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 11, 2014, 06:23:41 PM
I think I have made it known that I am not a Derrick fan at all.


But Mayo is not ever going to start at PG if he even plays it at all.

So, stop that idea.

Yes, sir!

mhendrick

can't keep playing 4 on 5 on the offensive end.
Do not like Chris and Gardner together because I hate seeing Gardner at the top of the key.

Tugg Speedman

Quote from: mhendrick on January 11, 2014, 06:30:02 PM
can't keep playing 4 on 5 on the offensive end.
Do not like Chris and Gardner together because I hate seeing Gardner at the top of the key.

Buzz talked about that in the post game pressed with Mac and Homer ... Said teams will double Ox in the paint and he will never see an entry pass (except for DePaul and we saw what happened).  So Buzz is moving him around to where he can get the ball.

connie

Agree that we will see some additional changes, as (contrary to past years when he has shortened the bench in conference play) Buzz is still looking for answers, BUT, anyone that thinks we are not going to see a significant amount of Derrick Wilson is kidding themselves.  Buzz went out of his way to praise his defense today.  He called him a "game changer" and maybe the best defender he has "ever coached."  While most on the board think that his game changing abilities only apply when we are on offense, Buzz loves what Derrick brings to the defense.  You don't have to like it, and I hate the 4 on 5 as much as anyone, but I just don't see this changing much this year.
"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything Kent.  40% of all people know that."  HJS

tower912

Saw more guys making entry passes to Oxtule from the wing.   Jake, Todd, Jamil.....
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

willie warrior

Quote from: connie on January 11, 2014, 06:42:40 PM
Agree that we will see some additional changes, as (contrary to past years when he has shortened the bench in conference play) Buzz is still looking for answers, BUT, anyone that thinks we are not going to see a significant amount of Derrick Wilson is kidding themselves.  Buzz went out of his way to praise his defense today.  He called him a "game changer" and maybe the best defender he has "ever coached."  While most on the board think that his game changing abilities only apply when we are on offense, Buzz loves what Derrick brings to the defense.  You don't have to like it, and I hate the 4 on 5 as much as anyone, but I just don't see this changing much this year.
That is pure unadulterated BS and Buzz BS. De. Wilson is a "game changer"? BS_BS_BS. Best defender he has ever coached? Hey Sports Fans: Slurp some of that. This from Mr. Honesty!!!

It won't change next year either. I guess this is what can be expected from Mr. BS. And I guess everybody's lying eyes don't matter.
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Dreadman24

1. DAWSON
2. MAYO
3. BURTON
4. JAMIL
5. OTULE

tower912

I'm still feeling 13-5 in conference. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

79Warrior

Quote from: tower912 on January 11, 2014, 06:55:39 PM
I'm still feeling 13-5 in conference. 

No way. We can barely keep our head above water at home against weak teams. Not going to happen.

denverMU

Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 11, 2014, 06:23:41 PM
But Mayo is not ever going to start at PG if he even plays it at all.

So, stop that idea.

I agree Buzz will probably never start Mayo at point, but he does solve issues we have.  He can shoot from the outside.  This will free up our front line and not allow teams to double team O'tule and Gardner.  He can drive, score, and draw fouls. 

JTBMU7

Quote from: tower912 on January 11, 2014, 06:55:39 PM
I'm still feeling 13-5 in conference. 
Wish I could agree but I dont see this team getting any better. They are just too inconsistent and easy to slow down on offense (deny the post, pack the middle)... If we finish top half of the league that would be impressive to me given our performances so far.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: willie warrior on January 11, 2014, 06:48:29 PM
That is pure unadulterated BS and Buzz BS. De. Wilson is a "game changer"? BS_BS_BS. Best defender he has ever coached? Hey Sports Fans: Slurp some of that. This from Mr. Honesty!!!

It won't change next year either. I guess this is what can be expected from Mr. BS. And I guess everybody's lying eyes don't matter.

I'm really having trouble believing you are as old as you claim to be....
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Superfan

I like Dreadman's lineup:  Todd, Dawson, Burton, Ox, Jamil.  Why is J3 getting no PT and I don't get the disappearance of Taylor.  If he's hurt why isn't he redshirted?

PuertoRicanNightmare

Can Buzz put in some rule (like paint touches) whereby Derrick is never on the same side of the court as Davante? Like, if he finds himself there, immediately evacuate the area!

TAMU, Knower of Ball

I'd be curious to see what this lineup could do:

1-Mayo (15 mins) Derrick (15 mins) Dawson (10 mins)
2-Thomas (15 mins) Mayo (15 mins) JJJ (5 mins) Dawson (5 mins)
3-Burton (20 mins) Thomas (10 mins) JJJ (10 mins)
4-Jamil (30 mins) Anderson (10 mins)
5-Gardner (25 mins) Otule (15 mins)

I've never seen Mayo at the 1, so I don't think we will see it. But his handle looked good today. I'd be curious to see what he could do.

What I actually think:

1- Derrick (25 mins) Dawson (15 mins)
2- Mayo (30 mins) JJJ (10 mins)
3- Thomas (25 mins) Burton (15 mins)
4- Jamil (30 mins) Anderson (10 mins)
5- Gardner (25 mins) Otule (15 mins)

It will obviously depend on the game and the situation. But I think this is our best shot to win. If Mayo can actually run the point, things might change.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


mu_hilltopper

Deonte should start and play until there's a "5" next to his name.

chapman

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 11, 2014, 09:38:24 PM
Deonte should start and play until there's a "5" next to his name.

If the "5" is times he passes the ball, that should come around March...2016.   :D


Quote from: denverMU on January 11, 2014, 08:22:05 PM
I agree Buzz will probably never start Mayo at point, but he does solve issues we have.  He can shoot from the outside.  This will free up our front line and not allow teams to double team O'tule and Gardner.  He can drive, score, and draw fouls. 

It's something that really intrigues me.  Think he really opens up the floor, strong at finding teammates, puts a shooting threat out there, and seems to have good playing chemistry beyond just opening it up for Jake.  He's bringing a lot of positives lately (six games in a row with 20+ minutes), and I'm not sure they want to take him out of that to change his position, has been some turnover proneness in the past, and need consistency - can't have a carousel at the point of all places.  Nevertheless, it's intriguing...maybe even a motivator - Buycks had to make the switch, DJO is making the switch because that's what landed them at the next level, and wherever it ends up being I'm sure Todd's value professionally would also be highest there.

PGsHeroes32

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 11, 2014, 09:37:40 PM
I'd be curious to see what this lineup could do:

1-Mayo (15 mins) Derrick (15 mins) Dawson (10 mins)
2-Thomas (15 mins) Mayo (15 mins) JJJ (5 mins) Dawson (5 mins)
3-Burton (20 mins) Thomas (10 mins) JJJ (10 mins)
4-Jamil (30 mins) Anderson (10 mins)
5-Gardner (25 mins) Otule (15 mins)

I've never seen Mayo at the 1, so I don't think we will see it. But his handle looked good today. I'd be curious to see what he could do.

What I actually think:

1- Derrick (25 mins) Dawson (15 mins)
2- Mayo (30 mins) JJJ (10 mins)
3- Thomas (25 mins) Burton (15 mins)
4- Jamil (30 mins) Anderson (10 mins)
5- Gardner (25 mins) Otule (15 mins)

It will obviously depend on the game and the situation. But I think this is our best shot to win. If Mayo can actually run the point, things might change.

That 1st option would be very interesting. The second one is realistic and I like it. Except maybe more than 15 for deonte and less than 10 for Juan unless the game calls for it.

Juan really adds nothing right now.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

MU82

I agree a lineup with Mayo, Jamil, Jake, Gardner/Otule, Juan/Burton would be intriguing.

I don't think it's necessarily committing to Mayo at PG because Jamil would have the ball up top plenty, too, as we have seen. It isn't necessary to have labels.

Who was the Bulls' PG during the second threepeat? Ron Harper? No, it was Pippen. Except when Jordan had the ball.

Ouch. I think I just sprained something listing the 96-97-98 Bulls in the same post as this year's Warriors ... but the point is that we don't have to designate so-and-so to be this or that position, especially at the fairly interchangeable 1-2-3 slots.

I also agree that this lineup will not happen except for brief stretches because Buzz simply is not going to bench Derrick this season. Maybe next year, if Duane is "all that" and if Dawson takes a quantum leap and if the new recruits play lights-out, Derrick's time will be reduced fairly significantly. We won't know till we get there, but it sure appears Buzz will have to be strongly convinced Derrick isn't his guy.
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tower912

Quote from: Superfan on January 11, 2014, 09:13:51 PM
I like Dreadman's lineup:  Todd, Dawson, Burton, Ox, Jamil.  Why is J3 getting no PT and I don't get the disappearance of Taylor.  If he's hurt why isn't he redshirted?

JJJ hurts his argument for playing time when he comes in cold off of the bench and jacks up an ugly 3 early in the shot clock on a one pass possession.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

CTWarrior

Quote from: tower912 on January 12, 2014, 04:42:06 AM
JJJ hurts his argument for playing time when he comes in cold off of the bench and jacks up an ugly 3 early in the shot clock on a one pass possession.   

Agree.  I wonder how much of that is "I'm only in for a few minutes, I better make them count" thinking.
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Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

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