Derrick/Jake/Juan v. Dawson/JJJ/Burton

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So I've been trying to figure out why I get annoyed by the Dawson over Derrick/JJJ over Jake/Burton over Anderson crowd. I know I have a different opinion than they do...but that's not it. CBB and MU82 frequently have different opinions than I do but I look forward to hearing their thoughts.

I think I figured it out. Not universally true, but many in the group have only negative things to say about those three. When Derrick hits a last second jumper it's "even blind squirrels can find a nut." When Jake scores 17 it's "he only goes off when we're losing." When Juan gets SOTG it's "he was the worst player on the floor, steals don't matter" Not a single positive thing to say. (Again this isn't universally true for everyone in that crowd)

But I know that at least for me, even though I'm in the Derrick/Jake/Juan fan club, I get really excited when Dawson/Burton/JJJ do well. Even though I'm being "proven wrong" in a sense, I get excited because it is good for my team. I wish others gave Derrick/Jake/Juan the same respect.

And I know there are some in the Derrick/Jake/Juan camp that do the same thing, and I get just annoyed with them.

I'm sure I will get attacked for this post, whatever, I couldn't give two sh1ts. Just wanted to share my realization

[Nevada233]

Jake works best. They both space the floor and can make a shot.
You can throw juan jjj or deonte wit them.

But d. Wilson doesnt require a defender.

[Texas Western]

So I've been trying to figure out why I get annoyed by the Dawson over Derrick/JJJ over Jake/Burton over Anderson crowd. I know I have a different opinion than they do...but that's not it. CBB and MU82 frequently have different opinions than I do but I look forward to hearing their thoughts.

I think I figured it out. Not universally true, but many in the group have only negative things to say about those three. When Derrick hits a last second jumper it's "even blind squirrels can find a nut." When Jake scores 17 it's "he only goes off when we're losing." When Juan gets SOTG it's "he was the worst player on the floor, steals don't matter" Not a single positive thing to say. (Again this isn't universally true for everyone in that crowd)

But I know that at least for me, even though I'm in the Derrick/Jake/Juan fan club, I get really excited when Dawson/Burton/JJJ do well. Even though I'm being "proven wrong" in a sense, I get excited because it is good for my team. I wish others gave Derrick/Jake/Juan the same respect.

And I know there are some in the Derrick/Jake/Juan camp that do the same thing, and I get just annoyed with them.

I'm sure I will get attacked for this post, whatever, I couldn't give two sh1ts. Just wanted to share my realization

It is all mostly about Derrick. A good kid but lacking in the requisites for success .  this team lacks leadership and by default the point guard takes the heat.  Hey I hope he does well too but the reality is he simply is not getting the job done .

[Badgerhater]

Kiss cam camera guy must be from West Virginia, found every father-daughter and sister-brother combo in the building

[jesmu84]

this is a little ironic. i posted this in the game thread before i saw this topic: "question for anyone... are a bunch of the new posters (nevada, mubuzz, chris columbo, river rat, dreadman, sultan of silly) actually new? Or are they old posters with new names? Or did they get kicked off a different board and moved over here? Just curious. They all seem to have very similar opinions."

i'd agree with TAMU here 100%. it's fine to prefer different players or lineups. but some posters go nuts when derrrick, etc make poor plays and discount his successes. Sure, i want derrick more than dawson, but i'm happy when dawson plays well. that's why i wondered about these "new" posters and where they came from

[NersEllenson]

The issue I have - being in the Dawson/JJJ/Burton club is we have gotten a ton of data as to what Derrick/Jake/Juan are capable of - and let's be real - it hasn't been good.  Those guys are vets too.  Should be getting much better production out of them

Those of us in the Dawson/Burton/JJJ club have to deal with watching Derrick play 30+ minutes a game, Jake 28+ per game, and Juan - well, he doesn't get as much now.

You'll notice Buzz ran a ton with Derrick, Jake and Juan down the stretch - if it weren't for Mayo - we lose this game against an awful Seton Hall team.

Derrick, as I suspected, looked very shaky against the press - I sure hope we don't see more of that, because its gonna be ugly. Derrick hasn't turned the ball over much cause he's never faced stiff pressure.

[Nevada233]

this is a little ironic. i posted this in the game thread before i saw this topic: "question for anyone... are a bunch of the new posters (nevada, mubuzz, chris columbo, river rat, dreadman, sultan of silly) actually new? Or are they old posters with new names? Or did they get kicked off a different board and moved over here? Just curious. They all seem to have very similar opinions."

i'd agree with TAMU here 100%. it's fine to prefer different players or lineups. but some posters go nuts when derrrick, etc make poor plays and discount his successes. Sure, i want derrick more than dawson, but i'm happy when dawson plays well. that's why i wondered about these "new" posters and where they came from

Im my own person if you want to know about me then ask and ill tell you....

Sorry I have more of a life than living on a message board. Just because I dont
Have 60094 posts doesnt make me less of a person than yall
You guys so full of crap. I'll say what I want about whoever I want
I graduated from Marquette in 2002 earned my degree and opinion if you dont like it Ban me. Period

[PGsHeroes32]

This thread can also go the other way.


People obnoxiously defend Jake and Derrick


But first mistake they hammer on DG and forsure Todd. Sometimes even calling him a crack head.

The double standard on here is embarrassing.

[nyg]

Derrick actually had a pretty nice game.

8 points, 4 assists and only one turnover (that ugly one bringing ball up).  0 for 2 from fts.  

[Texas Western]

The issue I have - being in the Dawson/JJJ/Burton club is we have gotten a ton of data as to what Derrick/Jake/Juan are capable of - and let's be real - it hasn't been good.  Those guys are vets too.  Should be getting much better production out of them

Those of us in the Dawson/Burton/JJJ club have to deal with watching Derrick play 30+ minutes a game, Jake 28+ per game, and Juan - well, he doesn't get as much now.

You'll notice Buzz ran a ton with Derrick, Jake and Juan down the stretch - if it weren't for Mayo - we lose this game against an awful Seton Hall team.

Derrick, as I suspected, looked very shaky against the press - I sure hope we don't see more of that, because its gonna be ugly. Derrick hasn't turned the ball over much cause he's never faced stiff pressure.

ditto

[ronald dragon]

This thread can also go the other way.


People obnoxiously defend Jake and Derrick


But first mistake they hammer on DG and forsure Todd. Sometimes even calling him a crack head.

The double standard on here is embarrassing.

I do get frustrated with DG on defense sometimes i'll admit. But it's just because he could be such a good all around player if he worked a bit harder on D.

[Nevada233]

The issue I have - being in the Dawson/JJJ/Burton club is we have gotten a ton of data as to what Derrick/Jake/Juan are capable of - and let's be real - it hasn't been good.  Those guys are vets too.  Should be getting much better production out of them

Those of us in the Dawson/Burton/JJJ club have to deal with watching Derrick play 30+ minutes a game, Jake 28+ per game, and Juan - well, he doesn't get as much now.

You'll notice Buzz ran a ton with Derrick, Jake and Juan down the stretch - if it weren't for Mayo - we lose this game against an awful Seton Hall team.

Derrick, as I suspected, looked very shaky against the press - I sure hope we don't see more of that, because its gonna be ugly. Derrick hasn't turned the ball over much cause he's never faced stiff pressure.

Exactly. .

[ATL MU Warrior]

The issue I have - being in the Dawson/JJJ/Burton club is we have gotten a ton of data as to what Derrick/Jake/Juan are capable of - and let's be real - it hasn't been good.  Those guys are vets too.  Should be getting much better production out of them

Those of us in the Dawson/Burton/JJJ club have to deal with watching Derrick play 30+ minutes a game, Jake 28+ per game, and Juan - well, he doesn't get as much now.

You'll notice Buzz ran a ton with Derrick, Jake and Juan down the stretch - if it weren't for Mayo - we lose this game against an awful Seton Hall team.

Derrick, as I suspected, looked very shaky against the press - I sure hope we don't see more of that, because its gonna be ugly. Derrick hasn't turned the ball over much cause he's never faced stiff pressure.

Ah, I knew you'd be here with this after the game.  Tell me, where were the other players on the court when we faced the pressure.  It was Derrick and Jamil and.....nobody.  The other guys have to come back to the ball.  Poor coaching or poor execution, take your pick.  But of course, John Magic Dawson would have not had any issues whatsoever handling it I am sure, right?

[jesmu84]

Im my own person if you want to know about me then ask and ill tell you....

Sorry I have more of a life than living on a message board. Just because I dont
Have 60094 posts doesnt make me less of a person than yall
You guys so full of crap. I'll say what I want about whoever I want
I graduated from Marquette in 2002 earned my degree and opinion if you dont like it Ban me. Period

Your post doesn't make much sense. You "have more of a life" and such, but I bet your posts/day in the last month have been pretty high. It's the volume in the short period of time that has me wondering. If you've got "opinion", where was it between now and 2002?

[PGsHeroes32]

I do get frustrated with DG on defense sometimes i'll admit. But it's just because he could be such a good all around player if he worked a bit harder on D.

Getting frustrated is fine but I see people piling on those two all the time when clearly they are two of our best.

That part doesn't make sense to me.

[jesmu84]

This thread can also go the other way.


People obnoxiously defend Jake and Derrick


But first mistake they hammer on DG and forsure Todd. Sometimes even calling him a crack head.

The double standard on here is embarrassing.

True that some people obnoxiously defend Jake and Derrick. But read TAMU's original post all the way through. He denounces those people as well.

[LloydMooresLegs]

I'd like to know from those who frequent gameday chat (Jay Bee!) if that venue is being weighed down in the same way.  If not, it may be time to put down the apple products and flash chat.

[jesmu84]

I'd like to know from those who frequent gameday chat (Jay Bee!) if that venue is being weighed down in the same way.  If not, it may be time to put down the apple products and flash chat.

I frequent the chat. The chat has a MUCH different tone from the game threads.

[Nevada233]

Your post doesn't make much sense. You "have more of a life" and such, but I bet your posts/day in the last month have been pretty high. It's the volume in the short period of time that has me wondering. If you've got "opinion", where was it between now and 2002?

The same place yours have been. Dont worry about me and what i post because I dont worry about you..

[PGsHeroes32]

True that some people obnoxiously defend Jake and Derrick. But read TAMU's original post all the way through. He denounces those people as well.

My bad lol. But the point more regarded those two specifically. It would bug me as much if they jumped on JJJ or something.

Its just weird when I see people going to lengths to defend Derrick but first mistake by Todd is end of the world.

While my negativity certainly maxes out during losses. I'll at least get pumped if Juan does happen to make a shot, and get pissed if DG does do one of his lazy plays or botches a easy layup.

[jesmu84]

My bad lol. But the point more regarded those two specifically. It would bug me as much if they jumped on JJJ or something.

Its just weird when I see people going to lengths to defend Derrick but first mistake by Todd is end of the world.

While my negativity certainly maxes out during losses. I'll at least get pumped if Juan does happen to make a shot, and get pissed if DG does do one of his lazy plays or botches a easy layup.

Agreed. I'm happy to have people with differing opinions and have back-and-forths with those people. Like you hayward. good stuff.

[jesmu84]

The same place yours have been. Dont worry about me and what i post because I dont worry about you..

So did you get banned on another name? Lost your password? Or just take a big break somewhere along the way?

[Nevada233]

So did you get banned on another name? Lost your password? Or just take a big break somewhere along the way?

Pick whatever helps you sleep at night.

And get back to talking about the game or the topic at hand today.

What I post don't pay my or your bills so what does it matter.

So how about that 2nd half... Nail biter or what?

[Newsdreams]

The issue I have - being in the Dawson/JJJ/Burton club is we have gotten a ton of data as to what Derrick/Jake/Juan are capable of - and let's be real - it hasn't been good.  Those guys are vets too.  Should be getting much better production out of them

Those of us in the Dawson/Burton/JJJ club have to deal with watching Derrick play 30+ minutes a game, Jake 28+ per game, and Juan - well, he doesn't get as much now.

You'll notice Buzz ran a ton with Derrick, Jake and Juan down the stretch - if it weren't for Mayo - we lose this game against an awful Seton Hall team.

Derrick, as I suspected, looked very shaky against the press - I sure hope we don't see more of that, because its gonna be ugly. Derrick hasn't turned the ball over much cause he's never faced stiff pressure.

Would not blame him he is getting double team, there should be some one down with him either to screen or pass to. Only Jamil is mid court and he is not coming to the ball when pass to. Don't know if they are not doing what they are suppose to or Buzz is playing it that way.

[Wojo'sMojo]

this is a little ironic. i posted this in the game thread before i saw this topic: "question for anyone... are a bunch of the new posters (nevada, mubuzz, chris columbo, river rat, dreadman, sultan of silly) actually new? Or are they old posters with new names? Or did they get kicked off a different board and moved over here? Just curious. They all seem to have very similar opinions."

i'd agree with TAMU here 100%. it's fine to prefer different players or lineups. but some posters go nuts when derrrick, etc make poor plays and discount his successes. Sure, i want derrick more than dawson, but i'm happy when dawson plays well. that's why i wondered about these "new" posters and where they came from

Speaking for myself I am a new poster...is it really that strange to have a group of posters who share similar sentiments??