Samford game thread

[PGsHeroes32]

Btw. I would say derricks best game was vs ASU.

But hey, I just like scoring!!!

Then I remember SDSu was the game where he fell apart in the second half on both ends.

So yeah, it was ASU.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

That lineup would give up 90+PPG, average 25+ TOs a game, and get outrebounded in every game.

+1

[wadesworld]

Well, guys, I think our prayers have been answered. We no longer need to worry about Texas coming around and snatching up Buzz after Barnes leaves, HaywardsHeros is clearly the leading candidate for that job.

The nuts are coming out on Scoop even after a WIN now!

[Nevada233]

We dominated some bums again. Whoop-dee-doo!

+10000000000

Exactly.... who are they again...

[NersEllenson]

It is pure comedy that there are about 4 posters who claim their extensive knowledge of basketball, by citing Derrick, Jake, and Otule "being in the right position defensively," to justify their otherwise poor performances for the season.  Yet, on the other hand turn their back on the vast offensive potential/skill guys like Burton, JJJ and Mayo for that matter have.

Yes, basketball is a game played on both ends of the floor, but Burton, JJJ and Mayo are no slouches defensively - and their offensive skills far outweigh the benefit the defensive "prowess" Derrick, Jake and Otule have - if they were so great, why does the team consistently get in holes starting games and coming out of the half.

Last thought - Virtually every color analyst who does our games - Rafferty in the past on Mayo - O'Neill today - on Burton and JJJ's game.  It is blatantly obvious to the professional analysts who the "players" are on this team.  Derrick will be a much better PG if he's playing with Deonte, Mayo and JJJ - and less with Jake and Juan.  Juan is a good glue guy - 15 to 18 minutes a game.  Burton needs 25+.

[PGsHeroes32]

Well, guys, I think our prayers have been answered. We no longer need to worry about Texas coming around and snatching up Buzz after Barnes leaves, HaywardsHeros is clearly the leading candidate for that job.

The nuts are coming out on Scoop even after a WIN now!

Stupid comment that makes no sense. First I say this after every game, so obviously I'm going to say it even after another cupcake win.

Second, I am saying what MU should do. Not Texas. So maybe it would make more sense saying I'm in line for taking over after buzz leaves. If you want to be a smart ass.

Way to add to the stupidity.

[PGsHeroes32]

"If they are so great why are they constantly getting us in holes to start games and halfs"

Don't even raise that question. I have brought that up 5 times on this thread alone. It keeps going ignored.

People clearly are not A. Watching the games. B. Listening to every analyst point out our "starters" awfulness C. Enjoy losing or D. All of the above.

It's getting sad.

Again, 7-5. You guys happy?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Taylor DNP again

[PGsHeroes32]

Taylor DNP again

Didn't even dress

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

"If they are so great why are they constantly getting us in holes to start games and halfs"

Don't even raise that question. I have brought that up 5 times on this thread alone. It keeps going ignored.

People clearly are not A. Watching the games. B. Listening to every analyst point out our "starters" awfulness C. Enjoy losing or D. All of the above.

It's getting sad.

Again, 7-5. You guys happy?

Honestly, I don't think that many people disagree with you. We all love the potential that JJJ and Deonte show. We all think Mayo is our best or at least one of our best perimeter players. We all get frustrated by Derrick and and Jake's shortcomings.

What we don't agree with is how you express those thoughts. You call other people idiots or claim that they are happy with underachieving. You say that Buzz is clueless and needs to learn. You ignore all of Derrick, Jake, and Juan's positive while also ignoring Bane, JJJ, and Mayo's flaws. Hell, you were on the start John Dawson train until it became painfully obvious that he just isn't ready right now.

So basically, it's not the content, it's the delivery.

[AirPunches]

It is pure comedy that there are about 4 posters who claim their extensive knowledge of basketball, by citing Derrick, Jake, and Otule "being in the right position defensively," to justify their otherwise poor performances for the season.  Yet, on the other hand turn their back on the vast offensive potential/skill guys like Burton, JJJ and Mayo for that matter have.

Are there any instances where Jake and/or Derrick played a good defensive game against a good team? Thames, Neal, and Carson had career nights against the defensive specialists. OSU guards schooled ours. Maybe Derrick did good against Jackson at wisconsin ?

I think going forward we are going to start seeing more of burton and JJJ in the tougher games. Johnson needs to start and play 25-30 a game in every game. No more sitting him in the big games. I think whatever burton played today is about where he should be. He gets out of position defensively a lot but I think we will see quick improvement on that end. I liked that buzz put Jamil, Todd, JJJ, burton, and davante in at the same time. Easily the most talented guys on the team. Unfortunately after one possession jamil got hurt as he was dunking it in after a turnover created by the players who would give up 90+ a game.

[wadesworld]

Stupid comment that makes no sense. First I say this after every game, so obviously I'm going to say it even after another cupcake win.

Second, I am saying what MU should do. Not Texas. So maybe it would make more sense saying I'm in line for taking over after buzz leaves. If you want to be a smart ass.

Way to add to the stupidity.

That's the point. You clearly know more about basketball than Buzz, so why would Texas want Buzz when they can have you? Funny you are aayinf people add to the stupidity when pretty simple things go right over your head.

[PGsHeroes32]

Honestly, I don't think that many people disagree with you. We all love the potential that JJJ and Deonte show. We all think Mayo is our best or at least one of our best perimeter players. We all get frustrated by Derrick and and Jake's shortcomings.

What we don't agree with is how you express those thoughts. You call other people idiots or claim that they are happy with underachieving. You say that Buzz is clueless and needs to learn. You ignore all of Derrick, Jake, and Juan's positive while also ignoring Bane, JJJ, and Mayo's flaws. Hell, you were on the start John Dawson train until it became painfully obvious that he just isn't ready right now.

So basically, it's not the content, it's the delivery.

The idiot calling only comes after the obvious is blindly ignored. They keep trying to say I don't know there is two sides, yet I provide examples in every big game we have played where the positive runs are with the bench on floor and negative runs with the starters.

I really don't see a positive any of them bring. I don't ignore what isn't there. Juan has hustle. Great for a glue guy. Derrick? I guess he can play some D? Thames of the world still light him up. Jake? Pray he's left open then pray his streaky shot falls?

I'm sorry but if you defend our current starting 5 as a starting unit you deserve to be called names. The record proves it. The games prove it.

Outle, Jake, Derrick, Juan can all play...but 3 at a time much less 4 is a disaster. Factor in they are playing with a very talented yet passive jamil...we get the doors blown off.

[PGsHeroes32]

That's the point. You clearly know more about basketball than Buzz, so why would Texas want Buzz when they can have you? Funny you are aayinf people add to the stupidity when pretty simple things go right over your head.

And yet. It takes a second time for me to tell you I have never said I anything about Texas or their lineups

It's been about how MU's lineups are.

Me and knowing Texas basketball was never mentioned. Stupid comment stands.

[wadesworld]

And yet. It takes a second time for me to tell you I have never said I anything about Texas or their lineups

It's been about how MU's lineups are.

Me and knowing Texas basketball was never mentioned. Stupid comment stands.

Dear lord.  It's like talking to a 3 year old.  I really have to spell this out for you, a 2nd time?  Well, OK, then.  Me, the idiot, will take this step by step, because this is going way over your head.  It really isn't this difficult, at all, but I will do it for you.

1) People here are worried that if Barnes and Texas do not perform this year, Barnes gets fired.
2) People here are worried that when the Texas job opens up, Texas will come calling Buzz because he is from Texas and is a very good up and coming coach.
3) People here worry that because Buzz is from Texas and Texas can throw any amount of money at him and give him any resources he wants, and can offer him the comfort of being at home as opposed to snowy, cold Milwaukee, that he will take the Texas job if offered it.
4) People here do not want to see Buzz go because he's the best thing to happen to Marquette since Al McGuire was around.
5) You clearly know more about basketball than Buzz, since you can tell how everyone's minutes should be allocated based on the 40 minutes we see the team play 1.5 times/week in games, while Buzz clearly still has no idea what he's doing and has no reason nor rhyme as to why he's playing the players he's playing despite seeing them play for 40 hours/week.
6) Your basketball knowledge and coaching ability clearly exceed those of Buzz Williams, so why in the hell would Texas go after Buzz Williams when they could just get you instead?
7) If Texas fills their coaching job with HaywardsHeroes instead of Buzz Williams then Marquette fans have nothing to worry about in terms of Buzz Williams leaving.
8) Yippee!  Thank God for your incredible basketball knowledge!

One step leads to another.  Let's see if you can figure this one out.  Probably not, not surprising.

[wadesworld]

The idiot calling only comes after the obvious is blindly ignored. They keep trying to say I don't know there is two sides, yet I provide examples in every big game we have played where the positive runs are with the bench on floor and negative runs with the starters.

I really don't see a positive any of them bring. I don't ignore what isn't there. Juan has hustle. Great for a glue guy. Derrick? I guess he can play some D? Thames of the world still light him up. Jake? Pray he's left open then pray his streaky shot falls?

I'm sorry but if you defend our current starting 5 as a starting unit you deserve to be called names. The record proves it. The games prove it.

Outle, Jake, Derrick, Juan can all play...but 3 at a time much less 4 is a disaster. Factor in they are playing with a very talented yet passive jamil...we get the doors blown off.

You provide an example of one run in one game.  You're citing about a 7 minute stretch out of the 520 minutes (I'll spell that out for you too, since you won't get that...each game is 40 minutes...we've played 13 games so far - you don't even know our record hah - 40 minutes x 13 games = 520 minutes) of basketball Marquette has played this year.  Not exactly the greatest sample size in the world.  How about you look at more than one stretch in one game?  Just a thought.  Maybe the +/- of the players over the season?  Could be a decent starting point.  Do you even know what that means/is?  Probably not.

[PGsHeroes32]

Dear lord.  It's like talking to a 3 year old.  I really have to spell this out for you, a 2nd time?  Well, OK, then.  Me, the idiot, will take this step by step, because this is going way over your head.  It really isn't this difficult, at all, but I will do it for you.

1) People here are worried that if Barnes and Texas do not perform this year, Barnes gets fired.
2) People here are worried that when the Texas job opens up, Texas will come calling Buzz because he is from Texas and is a very good up and coming coach.
3) People here worry that because is from Texas and Texas can throw any amount at him and give him anything he wants, including being at home, that he will take the job.
4) People here do not want to see Buzz go because he's the best thing to happen to Marquette since Al McGuire was around.
5) You clearly know more about basketball than Buzz, since you can tell how everyone's minutes should be allocated based on the 40 minutes we see the team play 1.5 times/week in games, while Buzz clearly still has no idea what he's doing and has no reason nor rhyme as to why he's playing the players he's playing despite seeing them play for 40 hours/week.
6) You're basketball knowledge and coaching ability clearly exceed those of Buzz Williams, so why in the hell would Texas go after Buzz Williams when they could just get you instead?

One step leads to another.  Let's see if you can figure this one out.  Probably not, not surprising.

It is YOU who clearly doesn't get it. I understood your stupid attempt at humor fine. In this role play you are putting on. I believe I know what to do with MARQUTTES team. Not TEXAS. So if I really were a head coach on the market, MU is my interest. I know NOTHING about Texas. Got it now? Texas was never referenced not once. It's MARQUETTES lineup were talking here.

Actually I know one thing about Texas. Believe they play most young talent? Seems to be winning games.

[wadesworld]

It is YOU who clearly doesn't get it. I understood your stupid attempt at humor fine. In this role play you are putting on. I believe I know what to do with MARQUTTES team. Not TEXAS. So if I really were a head coach on the market, MU is my interest. I know NOTHING about Texas. Got it now? Texas was never referenced not once. It's MARQUETTES lineup were talking here.

Actually I know one thing about Texas. Believe they play most young talent? Seems to be winning games.

So you're telling me that schools hire coaches based on what they've done at the school they are looking to hire them at rather than based on what they have achieved at the school they currently coach at?  Oh, okay...

That's a new way to do it.

[PGsHeroes32]

You provide an example of one run in one game.  You're citing about a 7 minute stretch out of the 520 minutes of basketball Marquette has played this year.  Not exactly the greatest sample size in the world.  How about you look at more than one stretch in one game?  Just a thought.  Maybe the +/- of the players over the season?  Could be a decent starting point.  Do you even know what that means/is?  Probably not.

Learn to read.

Start of ASU

start of UNM and second half

Second half of OSU and GW

Those were halfs where other team made a run.

Now start of SDSU and second half, and then start of OSU were halfs where we couldn't score but luckily held them down.

Oops forgot Wisco. Fist half start was poor offense for both. Second half they made a run.

So every game against a good team our starters forsure don't score. And many times don't defend either

[real chili 83]

Didn't even dress

Yes he did.  He had clothes on?

Seriously, had a Buzz's Bunch t shirt on

[PGsHeroes32]

So you're telling me that schools hire coaches based on what they've done at the school they are looking to hire them at rather than based on what they have achieved at the school they currently coach at?  Oh, okay...

That's a new way to do it.

No I'm telling you in your completely hypothetical dream. That I have ZERO interest in Texas.

You know, since we're talking me coaching and all. I would have to accept the gig wouldn't I?

[PGsHeroes32]

Yes he did.  He had clothes on?

Seriously, had a Buzz's Bunch t shirt on

O I thought I saw him not even dressed.

Still thought it was cuz he was hurt though right?

[NersEllenson]

Are there any instances where Jake and/or Derrick played a good defensive game against a good team? Thames, Neal, and Carson had career nights against the defensive specialists. OSU guards schooled ours. Maybe Derrick did good against Jackson at wisconsin ?

I think going forward we are going to start seeing more of burton and JJJ in the tougher games. Johnson needs to start and play 25-30 a game in every game. No more sitting him in the big games. I think whatever burton played today is about where he should be. He gets out of position defensively a lot but I think we will see quick improvement on that end. I liked that buzz put Jamil, Todd, JJJ, burton, and davante in at the same time. Easily the most talented guys on the team. Unfortunately after one possession jamil got hurt as he was dunking it in after a turnover created by the players who would give up 90+ a game.

Agree with your take, although if I had to choose between the freshman - I'd flip flop your above point and max Burton's minutes to 25-30 and give JJJ 15-20 and Mayo the other 20-25.  Use Jake T as a situational floor spacer only...

[PGsHeroes32]

Agree with your take, although if I had to choose between the freshman - I'd flip flop your above point and max Burton's minutes to 25-30 and give JJJ 15-20 and Mayo the other 20-25.  Use Jake T as a situational floor spacer only...

Yup like Henderson on Louisville.

That is, if winning is the goal.

[real chili 83]

O I thought I saw him not even dressed.

Still thought it was cuz he was hurt though right?

He had on a BB t shirt that was the same color as the warm ups as the team.

You are probably right, technically he was not dressed.

His appearance in the New Mexico game was a head scratcher for me.