The numbers don't lie

[Jay Bee]

Otule's eFG% is highest on the team. By your assessment, he must be the team's best shooter, Eh?

Stop creating things. I wasn't making a qualatative assessment. Your claim was that the numbers showed a significant drop from Van to Jake. My point is that your claim is mathematically false. You don't understand the numbers.

[willie warrior]

Yeah, think so too

Probably misremembering also. Jr. was way better at threading the needle to the post, as well as driving to the hoop and dishing to Ox. Derrick lacks that skill.

[MU82]

Numbers lie all the time in sports.

Numbers don't accurately measure leadership or heart or intangibles or clutch play.

Anybody with a calculator can find numbers to support his or her argument and tear down another person's argument.

Quite often, the eye test or the smell tes -- especially when applied by knowledgeable people -- is superior to numbers.

The Vander/Jake thing is so easy, just like the Vander/Gasser thing. I don't need numbers to know who was better because I have two eyes, decent basketball knowledge and common sense.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Probably misremembering also. Jr. was way better at threading the needle to the post, as well as driving to the hoop and dishing to Ox. Derrick lacks that skill.

I pine for the days of a Tony Miller, DJ, Diener, etc

[DaCoach]

Stop creating things. I wasn't making a qualatative assessment. Your claim was that the numbers showed a significant drop from Van to Jake. My point is that your claim is mathematically false. You don't understand the numbers.

You are a perfect example of someone so illogical that it's impossible to try and educate. I'm done trying.

[DaCoach]

Numbers lie all the time in sports.

I've got it now. Don't confuse you with facts. You've got your mind made up already.

[MU82]

I've got it now. Don't confuse you with facts. You've got your mind made up already.

I didn't say all numbers lie all the time. I'm just saying that a person on either side of any issue can find numbers to support an argument.

Who belongs in the Hall of Fame, Jack Morris or Mike Mussina? Well, Morris had fewer wins and a higher ERA, as well as fewer strikeouts and more walks ... so Mussina. But wait, Morris had three times as many complete games, so he was more of a workhorse, led all pitchers in the '80s in victories and was a clutch pitcher on three championship teams ... so Morris. Then there's Curt Schilling, who in addition to being a fine regular-season pitcher went 11-2 with a 2.23 ERA in 19 postseason games.

See?

Again, it's semantics. None of those numbers in my example really "lied." Each was a fact. But one can take any number and use it however one pleases.

If you take eFG% and use it as proof that one player is better than another, that is your prerogative. I can take what I witness with my own two eyes and give it even greater weight. That's my prerogative. You will say your measure is better than mine. I will politely disagree. And then we can move on to the next subject.

[77ncaachamps]

I'm still waiting for the defenses to play MU 5 on 4...because Derrick can't score!

Zones are going to have a field day with him this year!

[willie warrior]

I pine for the days of a Tony Miller, DJ, Diener, etc

Yeah--even though Tony was not much of a shooter, he could pass and control the ball. Wonder if we will ever get a guy to break his assist record. We need a PG that has ball skills of Tony, athleticism of DJ, and shooting of Diener. His name would be Dominavis Miller.

[MarquetteDano]

His name would be Dominavis Miller.

Okay, that was funny.   

[brewcity77]

No, not at all. How's fire fightin'?

Read the thread again. Where does Sultan come into this at all. You continue to have reading comprehension problems.

[keefe]

You continue to have reading comprehension problems.

Nope, not at all. A degree from MU plus two Masters from top 5 universities and then an Honor Graduate of Air War College suggests otherwise. We know you didn't go to Marquette. Just what is your alma mater?

[Eldon]

Nope, not at all. A degree from MU plus two Masters from top 5 universities and then an Honor Graduate of Air War College suggests otherwise. We know you didn't go to Marquette. Just what is your alma mater?

Whoa, that took a turn. The smiley face meant he was kidding.

[keefe]

Whoa, that took a turn. The smiley face meant he was kidding.

A "smiley" would have meant he was kidding. Only he didn't use the "smiley." In true Cyber Bully form he used the "eye roll."

     smiley

   eye roll

Eye Roll is not a sushi item. Rather, it is eSpeak for "you are an idiot." It is the Cyber Bully equivalent of "F uck You."

[MU82]

A "smiley" would have meant he was kidding. Only he didn't use the "smiley." In true Cyber Bully form he used the "eye roll."

     smiley

   eye roll

Eye Roll is not a sushi item. Rather, it is eSpeak for "you are an idiot." It is the Cyber Bully equivalent of "F uck You."

I didn't know that because I don't have multiple Master's degrees! 

[keefe]

I didn't know that because I don't have multiple Master's degrees! 

I took Iconology Engineering 501 at Michigan for the non-existent internet. I believe Al Gore was just wrapping up his Herculean effort at inventing it. He would have been done sooner if not for the whole global warming thing.

[brandx]

I took Iconology Engineering 501 at Michigan for the non-existent internet. I believe Al Gore was just wrapping up his Herculean effort at inventing it. He would have been done sooner if not for the whole global warming thing.

That would be a funny line IF Al had actually said he invented the internet

[keefe]

That would be a funny line IF Al had actually said he invented the internet

I know that. It's just fun to take the piss out of any politician.

[ChicosBailBonds]

That would be a funny line IF Al had actually said he invented the internet

He said he took the initiative to create it while in Congress.  Invent...create...semantics.  Said it multiple times, including the Larry King show and with Wolf Blitzer.  Obviously, the internet was created by a combination of military and academic institutions (UCLA and Stanford are partially credited).   

Plenty of video out there that shows what he said.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlco

Obviously people that defend him and his side take issue with it and say that's not what he meant, etc, etc.  Understood, the question I would have for them is if the shoe was on the other foot (say Mission Accomplished...which was also "never said") would you defend in the same manner?  I think we know the answer....it is what it is. 

[brandx]

I know that. It's just fun to take the piss out of any politician.

It actually is kinda funny how we repeat this stuff even when we know it isn't true. I'm not blaming you cuz I do the same thing too. We all take the simple route with someone we disagree with - it was pretty easy for me for 8 years with Bush

[keefe]

It actually is kinda funny how we repeat this stuff even when we know it isn't true. I'm not blaming you cuz I do the same thing too. We all take the simple route with someone we disagree with - it was pretty easy for me for 8 years with Bush

I only needed a few days with Mr. Obama...

[rocky_warrior]

I'm just going to go ahead and lock this while I'm looking at the site. Merry Christmas everyone!