Marquette freshmen

[Dreadman24]

Its clear that the freshmen should be playing more minutes if not starting. Im almost certain that at least one of these three will transfer.

[GGGG]

Stupid poll.

Burton played, but continues to be brutal defensively.  He'll get there but he continues to be late on rotations and it cost MU baskets last night.

JJJ got caught in a numbers game because Thomas shot so well and Mayo took the back up minutes.  He'll play more than last night.

Dawson in Buzz's eyes just isn't ready.

[Dreadman24]

Stupid poll.

Burton played, but continues to be brutal defensively.  He'll get there but he continues to be late on rotations and it cost MU baskets last night.

JJJ got caught in a numbers game because Thomas shot so well and Mayo took the back up minutes.  He'll play more than last night.

Dawson in Buzz's eyes just isn't ready.

yea ok

[Dreadman24]

"I refuse to answer" is for the folks in denial. I understand.

[GGGG]

Denial of what?  That someone might transfer?

Sure they might.  Who cares at this point?  The only freshmen that I could see playing more than they have earned is JJJ.  The other two are playing pretty much what they deserve to play.

[Hards Alumni]

None of them are transferring.

[brewcity77]

Someone needs a nap.

[NickelDimer]

Someone needs a nap.

More like a tampon

[Dreadman24]

More like a tampon

yea ok

[NickelDimer]

yea ok

Come on homes, this is drama queen nonsense

[77ncaachamps]

Wait. Burton screws up defensively yet Derrick, stout on defense but can't score, gets love?

There's gotta be a balance.

I guess those who opt for Derrick just want A CHANCE to win.
But limiting your team to just four options on the floor is pathetic.

[GoldenWarrior11]

If Marquette struggles early in Big East play, especially if we get upset in game #2 against DePaul, there really is no harm in NOT playing/starting the freshmen and seeing what they can do.

The coaching staff should know by know, as so many of us on here are shouting, what they have in Derrick and Jake.  The other players are still wild cards.

[MU82]

Whether or not folks like the idea of a poll, I do think this might be a legitimate concern.

Remember, these are kids. They look around the country and see other freshmen getting significant minutes. Some are studs playing for great teams (Parker, Wiggins), some are borderline talents playing for good teams (the coach's kid last night) and there are dozens upon dozens in between: "They are getting minutes and I'm not."

Whether they play good enough defense or "earn" their minutes in practice is beside the point to them. I'm not saying those things shouldn't matter to Buzz in doling out playing time; I'm saying that the kids might not see it that way.

Most highly recruited athletes have sizable egos -- that's not a knock; they need to think they are better than the next guy. When they come to college being told how great they are (including, in JJJ's case at least, by their new coach) and suddenly they aren't playing -- and throw in the fact that they might not see those in front of them on the depth chart as being better than they are -- it is human nature to wonder if the grass might be greener elsewhere.

I'm not predicting transfers or anything like that, but I sure wouldn't be surprised if a couple of these kids aren't already thinking about it.

[NickelDimer]

Whether or not folks like the idea of a poll, I do think this might be a legitimate concern.

Remember, these are kids. They look around the country and see other freshmen getting significant minutes. Some are studs playing for great teams (Parker, Wiggins), some are borderline talents playing for good teams (the coach's kid last night) and there are dozens upon dozens in between: "They are getting minutes and I'm not."

Whether they play good enough defense or "earn" their minutes in practice is beside the point to them. I'm not saying those things shouldn't matter to Buzz in doling out playing time; I'm saying that the kids might not see it that way.

Most highly recruited athletes have sizable egos -- that's not a knock; they need to think they are better than the next guy. When they come to college being told how great they are (including, in JJJ's case at least, by their new coach) and suddenly they aren't playing -- and throw in the fact that they might not see those in front of them on the depth chart as being better than they are -- it is human nature to wonder if the grass might be greener elsewhere.

I'm not predicting transfers or anything like that, but I sure wouldn't be surprised if a couple of these kids aren't already thinking about it.

I don't think anyone's disapproval of the poll has anything to do with whether or not it's a legitimate concern.  At least mine does not.

[Stretchdeltsig]

How negative can you get?  The poster who wrote this question should be banned.  he's a troll.

[Clam Crowder]

I look back to last year with Jamal Ferguson and immediately think of Dawson. In fact what we saw from Ferguson in his few minutes might have been better than what we have seen from Dawson.

Ferguson was buried on the depth chart and if Duane is who we think he is the same will be true with Dawson....

Dawson has every right to transfer if he doesn't start getting minutes.

We have had some interesting things happen under Buzz and we have lost a couple of solid players. We can't deny that. It happens with any program but I think it has happened here quite a bit. You don't top 100 recruits to stay if you don't give them a chance.

Our starters right now...

1-Derrick (Not top 100)
2-Jake (Not even close)
3-Jamil (Top 100)
4-Juan (Made top 100 in some rankings)
5-Otule (Not close)

6-Gardner (Not top 100 but a good player)

Our bench on the other hand

-Steve (Top 100)
-Duane (Top 100) (Top 50 in a few)
-JJJ (Top 50)
-Deonte (Top 50)
-Mayo (Not top 100)

if you go your who hs career being touted as a top prospect and then you come and dont get much playing time...you wont be toop happy

[hairy worthen]

I look back to last year with Jamal Ferguson and immediately think of Dawson. In fact what we saw from Ferguson in his few minutes might have been better than what we have seen from Dawson.

Ferguson was buried on the depth chart and if Duane is who we think he is the same will be true with Dawson....

Dawson has every right to transfer if he doesn't start getting minutes.

We have had some interesting things happen under Buzz and we have lost a couple of solid players. We can't deny that. It happens with any program but I think it has happened here quite a bit. You don't top 100 recruits to stay if you don't give them a chance.

Our starters right now...

1-Derrick (Not top 100)
2-Jake (Not even close)
3-Jamil (Top 100)
4-Juan (Made top 100 in some rankings)
5-Otule (Not close)

6-Gardner (Not top 100 but a good player)

Our bench on the other hand

-Steve (Top 100)
-Duane (Top 100) (Top 50 in a few)
-JJJ (Top 50)
-Deonte (Top 50)
-Mayo (Not top 100)

if you go your who hs career being touted as a top prospect and then you come and dont get much playing time...you wont be toop happy

Well none of these guys are entitled to anything, they have to and should have to earn it. None of those first group of guys you listed started or played alot as freshmen. They are freaking freshmen. It is rare for freshmen to come in and contribute immediately.

[Clam Crowder]

When you are as high as Duane or Jajuan you really do expect to play alot Freshman year. The JJJ vs Jake situation is a testament to Buzz loving his seniors too much

[GGGG]

When you are as high as Duane or Jajuan you really do expect to play alot Freshman year. The JJJ vs Jake situation is a testament to Buzz loving his seniors too much

Duane is hurt.  JJJ is playing 15 mpg.  Is that substantially different than other freshmen?

[Dreadman24]

How negative can you get?  The poster who wrote this question should be banned.  he's a troll.

im just blunt and I call it like it is

[Sheriff]

Question:    Who is more most likely to transfer?
You may only select up to 10 options.
JJJ
John Dawson
D. Burton
I refuse to answer
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FIFY

[connie]

im just blunt and I call it like it is

Call it?  You started a poll.  With 10 options allowed.

[brewcity77]

if you go your who hs career being touted as a top prospect and then you come and dont get much playing time...you wont be toop happy

Butler wasn't close to top-100. Neither were Crowder, DJO, or Buycks, all of whom have gone from MU to the NBA. Once you get here, you have to earn time. I have no problem with that. In addition, I have no problem with freshmen and sophomores having to prove themselves before they take time from juniors and seniors.

[wadesworld]

Butler wasn't close to top-100. Neither were Crowder, DJO, or Buycks, all of whom have gone from MU to the NBA. Once you get here, you have to earn time. I have no problem with that. In addition, I have no problem with freshmen and sophomores having to prove themselves before they take time from juniors and seniors.

But guys like Crowder, DJO, and Butler were getting offers by the Kentucky's and Kansas's of the world coming out of JUCO.

[MU82]

Butler wasn't close to top-100. Neither were Crowder, DJO, or Buycks, all of whom have gone from MU to the NBA. Once you get here, you have to earn time. I have no problem with that. In addition, I have no problem with freshmen and sophomores having to prove themselves before they take time from juniors and seniors.

Again, what I said isn't about us having a problem with Buzz's system or not. Some hate what Buzz has done with the freshmen and some understand it. Not the point.

What is the point is that the freshmen themselves might not understand it or like it. They have "peeps" in their ears telling them, "Man, you are better than so-and-so; you should be playing 30 minutes a game like so-and-so is at Such-And-Such U." Plus, they have their own eyes and see players in front of them having horrible games but being left in for 20-minute stints. Meanwhile, they finally get into a game, they are yanked after one missed defensive assignment and that could be disheartening.

It's a perception thing -- not for us, because who really cares about what we think, but for the kids themselves.