Steve Taylor, Jr.

[GGGG]

Look, its YOUR argument that you believe Steve was so severly injured to the point he couldn't play the rest of the season. 

I never said that.

And its YOUR argument that despite such injury the doctors didn't take him out of the lineup. 

I never said that.

The problem with you Equalizer is that you have an apparent need to type your manifestos, but no apparent need to read anything else.

[MU82]

Hyperbole aside, I do think it was significant that Buzz had Taylor in uniform every game and at the scorer's table in that one game. For those who think the NCAA would have never known, well, maybe ... but maybe not.

If redshirting a player is even an option, you don't send him to the scorer's table to check into a game. I'm a big Buzz fan but he screwed up there. It basically shouted: "His injury is not serious enough for him to get a redshirt season!"

As I said earlier, I'm glad we stop asking "Will Taylor redshirt?" so we can return to "Why isn't Taylor playing more?" Ah, progress!

[The Equalizer]

Hyperbole aside, I do think it was significant that Buzz had Taylor in uniform every game and at the scorer's table in that one game. For those who think the NCAA would have never known, well, maybe ... but maybe not.

If redshirting a player is even an option, you don't send him to the scorer's table to check into a game. I'm a big Buzz fan but he screwed up there. It basically shouted: "His injury is not serious enough for him to get a redshirt season!"

I think this is even more fundamental. 

Clearly Taylor was medically cleared prior to the IUPUI game as evidenced by the fact he was available to for Buzz to use in the game.  I cannot even fathom a situation in which Buzz could insert a player not medically cleared. So the fact that he was available is evidence that he was medically cleared.

And if he was medically cleared, then by definition the medical staff did not deem his injury to be incapacitating and season-ending.   

So its not that the NCAA would have found out that Buzz nearly sent Taylor into the game.  Its that the medical records that would need to support any medical redshirt aren't consistent with a season ending injury, and actualy say the exact opposite--he WAS cleared to play.

[MU82]

I think this is even more fundamental. 

Clearly Taylor was medically cleared prior to the IUPUI game as evidenced by the fact he was available to for Buzz to use in the game.  I cannot even fathom a situation in which Buzz could insert a player not medically cleared. So the fact that he was available is evidence that he was medically cleared.

And if he was medically cleared, then by definition the medical staff did not deem his injury to be incapacitating and season-ending.   

So its not that the NCAA would have found out that Buzz nearly sent Taylor into the game.  Its that the medical records that would need to support any medical redshirt aren't consistent with a season ending injury, and actualy say the exact opposite--he WAS cleared to play.

Sounds logical.

[GGGG]

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[ChicosBailBonds]

I think this is even more fundamental. 

Clearly Taylor was medically cleared prior to the IUPUI game as evidenced by the fact he was available to for Buzz to use in the game.  I cannot even fathom a situation in which Buzz could insert a player not medically cleared. So the fact that he was available is evidence that he was medically cleared.

And if he was medically cleared, then by definition the medical staff did not deem his injury to be incapacitating and season-ending.   

So its not that the NCAA would have found out that Buzz nearly sent Taylor into the game.  Its that the medical records that would need to support any medical redshirt aren't consistent with a season ending injury, and actualy say the exact opposite--he WAS cleared to play.

Makes sense

[willie warrior]

Makes sense

Yup--it all makes sense. Buzz said that Du. Thomas was medically cleared about 5 games ago, but then said he was still hurting--probably from the splinters in his ass. Buzz knows best on who is ready.

[MerrittsMustache]

Yup--it all makes sense. Buzz said that Du. Thomas was medically cleared about 5 games ago, but then said he was still hurting--probably from the splinters in his ass. Buzz knows best on who is ready.

Not the same situation. Taylor already played this season and would have needed to apply for a medical redshirt waiver. If the docs cleared him but Buzz chose not to play him, it'd be tough to get that waiver (based on my understanding). Duane hasn't played this season so he can redshirt without needing a waiver or even a specific reason.

[CTWarrior]

Well, now that it is apparent that he won't be redshirted, whose minutes is he going to cut into?  I imagine Juan.  I couldn't help but think that a healthy Taylor would have had the size, strength and agility to defend a guy like UNM's Bairstow better than our other alternatives.  To be fair, it's been a while since he's seen extensive minutes, and my recollection of his defensive prowess is very hazy.

[willie warrior]

Not the same situation. Taylor already played this season and would have needed to apply for a medical redshirt waiver. If the docs cleared him but Buzz chose not to play him, it'd be tough to get that waiver (based on my understanding). Duane hasn't played this season so he can redshirt without needing a waiver or even a specific reason.

You are missing the point. If he is to be redshirted, say so Buzz and reasons why. Tired of hearing that he is not playing because of....???? Simple communication by Buzz seems to be in order. Of course, now we will hear that Buzz is God and does not need to explain anything.

[MerrittsMustache]

You are missing the point. If he is to be redshirted, say so Buzz and reasons why. Tired of hearing that he is not playing because of....???? Simple communication by Buzz seems to be in order. Of course, now we will hear that Buzz is God and does not need to explain anything.

I don't think Buzz is God. I just wonder why you think that he, or anyone else at Marquette, needs to explain to us if Duane is being redshirted and why. What gives us the right to know? Because we're fans? Because we're alums? Because we're season ticket holders? The decision is between Duane, his family, the MU coaches and the medical staff.

[River rat]

This is a really really dumb thread.  Why all the conspiracy theorys?  Ncca investigation theorys etc.  Maybe, just maybe Steve is still hurting, hurting too much to contribute in mid to late December but close to being ready.  Close enough that even considering a redshirt without a unforeseen stepback is not even part of the plan.
My guess from everything that I have seen is steve will be back in the rotation i the next month and they have taken it easy on him so that can be the case 

[willie warrior]

I don't think Buzz is God. I just wonder why you think that he, or anyone else at Marquette, needs to explain to us if Duane is being redshirted and why. What gives us the right to know? Because we're fans? Because we're alums? Because we're season ticket holders? The decision is between Duane, his family, the MU coaches and the medical staff.

So when will we know of that Decision, in March? And that still does not explain why he is not playing. Holy Moly, have you missed all the finger pointing going on in Green bay with Rodgers, McCarthy, and Thompson. Here is the story line: The organization says no. So with Du. Wilson, it is Buzz says no. The question is why?

[MerrittsMustache]

So when will we know of that Decision, in March? And that still does not explain why he is not playing. Holy Moly, have you missed all the finger pointing going on in Green bay with Rodgers, McCarthy, and Thompson. Here is the story line: The organization says no. So with Du. Wilson, it is Buzz says no. The question is why?

My question remains: What gives us the right to know?

[MU82]

So when will we know of that Decision, in March? And that still does not explain why he is not playing. Holy Moly, have you missed all the finger pointing going on in Green bay with Rodgers, McCarthy, and Thompson. Here is the story line: The organization says no. So with Du. Wilson, it is Buzz says no. The question is why?

I respectfully suggest that, as a protest, you stop being a Marquette fan.

A nice start might be to stop frequenting Marquette fan boards.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I respectfully suggest that, as a protest, you stop being a Marquette fan.

A nice start might be to stop frequenting Marquette fan boards.

I don't like this typical response that fans often give when someone questions the team, etc.   "why don't you follow another team then".

You don't have to be a sunshine pumper 24/7 to be a fan.....a fanatic of a team wants to win and will question why they aren't winning.  Only natural.  Doesn't make them any less a fan IMO.

[MU82]

I don't like this typical response that fans often give when someone questions the team, etc.   "why don't you follow another team then".

You don't have to be a sunshine pumper 24/7 to be a fan.....a fanatic of a team wants to win and will question why they aren't winning.  Only natural.  Doesn't make them any less a fan IMO.

I agree with you 100%, Chicos.

But then there are the very, very few folks here who are just joyless bummers. If the team wins, it's not by enough. If it loses, it's catastrophe. If we win eight in a row, we lost the ninth because Buzz was stupid. If we win the ninth, we were lucky and did so despite the stupid coaching.

I've only been around these parts for a couple years and my impression of willie is that he gets absolutely no joy from rooting on the Warriors. So I just wish he would put himself out of his misery (and ours).

Feel free to go back in my history to see if I have ever made a similar suggestion to anyone else. I'll save you the time: I haven't.

[MuMark]

Maybe if Willie could find the grand canyon of territory between being a "sunshine pump" and "everything Buzz or the school or the players does is wrong and I  deserve better pump" his posts might be better received............

I don't like this typical response that fans often give when someone questions the team, etc.   "why don't you follow another team then".

You don't have to be a sunshine pumper 24/7 to be a fan.....a fanatic of a team wants to win and will question why they aren't winning.  Only natural.  Doesn't make them any less a fan IMO.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I agree with you 100%, Chicos.

But then there are the very, very few folks here who are just joyless bummers. If the team wins, it's not by enough. If it loses, it's catastrophe. If we win eight in a row, we lost the ninth because Buzz was stupid. If we win the ninth, we were lucky and did so despite the stupid coaching.

I've only been around these parts for a couple years and my impression of willie is that he gets absolutely no joy from rooting on the Warriors. So I just wish he would put himself out of his misery (and ours).

Feel free to go back in my history to see if I have ever made a similar suggestion to anyone else. I'll save you the time: I haven't.

Gotcha

[MarsupialMadness]

Most coaches do not wish to publicly reveal the injury status of a certain player.  There are many reasons for this - most notably probably because many injuries are day-to-day and giving an update everytime the player feels a little better or a little worse would be tedious.  Also - why give other coaches/teams the competitive advantage of making a gameplan surrounding your team?  It wouldn't make sense to show everyone at the table your hand of cards.

[MU82]

Most coaches do not wish to publicly reveal the injury status of a certain player.  There are many reasons for this - most notably probably because many injuries are day-to-day and giving an update everytime the player feels a little better or a little worse would be tedious.  Also - why give other coaches/teams the competitive advantage of making a gameplan surrounding your team?  It wouldn't make sense to show everyone at the table your hand of cards.

This might apply to real, proven impact players. And Duane might one day prove to be such a player. But I doubt Samford's coaching staff (or Creighton's) is saying: "Let's go with Plan A if Duane Wilson plays and Plan B if Duane Wilson doesn't."

That being said, I don't believe Buzz owes us daily updates on injuries. You know who really wants such updates? Gamblers.

[willie warrior]

I agree with you 100%, Chicos.

But then there are the very, very few folks here who are just joyless bummers. If the team wins, it's not by enough. If it loses, it's catastrophe. If we win eight in a row, we lost the ninth because Buzz was stupid. If we win the ninth, we were lucky and did so despite the stupid coaching.

I've only been around these parts for a couple years and my impression of willie is that he gets absolutely no joy from rooting on the Warriors. So I just wish he would put himself out of his misery (and ours).

Feel free to go back in my history to see if I have ever made a similar suggestion to anyone else. I'll save you the time: I haven't.

Keep slurping the Buzz Kool Aid. Your impressions of my joy leave you as I suspected, clueless. Been a fan since 1954. Let me know all your fan credentials so we can compare.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This might apply to real, proven impact players. And Duane might one day prove to be such a player. But I doubt Samford's coaching staff (or Creighton's) is saying: "Let's go with Plan A if Duane Wilson plays and Plan B if Duane Wilson doesn't."

I think most coaches make gameplans for every player and situation. I'd be willing to bet that McDermmott has drawn up a plan for Duane Wilson and Steve Taylor

[MU82]

Keep slurping the Buzz Kool Aid. Your impressions of my joy leave you as I suspected, clueless. Been a fan since 1954. Let me know all your fan credentials so we can compare.

My only fan credential is that I attended Marquette, graduated from Marquette, married a Marquette girl and love Marquette basketball win or lose.

Now please get on the Board of Directors and talk your fellow members into firing this no-good rotten coach who has accomplished NOTHING for us and whose only mission this season is to make certain Scoopers furious by not playing John Dawson more.

[willie warrior]

My only fan credential is that I attended Marquette, graduated from Marquette, married a Marquette girl and love Marquette basketball win or lose.

Now please get on the Board of Directors and talk your fellow members into firing this no-good rotten coach who has accomplished NOTHING for us and whose only mission this season is to make certain Scoopers furious by not playing John Dawson more.

Sorry, I have never advocated anything about John dawson. You must be mistaking me for somebody else--which still makes you clueless. Not interested in getting on the Board of Directors because that is reserved for MU Grads who have married an MU girl. You can get on the Board with your illustrious credentials and give Buzz a life time contract. He deserves it and I will even make a contribution for you.

Come to think about it, I do advocate something about John Dawson. I think it is pure bullsh$t that your God can play a game in Vegas against New Mexico with Dawson's family in attendance, and your God Williams relegates the guy to picking splinters out of his ass. That is classless, and I would say it for any player that Buzz did that to--not only Dawson. Buzz hosed the kid. Put that in your credentials and smoke it. There are plenty of Buzzo decisions that warrant criticism other than that one. Only too many people keep giving him a pass.

Having said that, Merry Christmas, and I too am a fan, win or lose.