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willie warrior

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 18, 2013, 09:32:07 AM
Well, that's why I'm starting to think the redshirt is a lot more likely. Buzz won't just play Duane because he's healthy and eligible. He'll play him because he's ready to contribute. If Duane is the 4th option in a 3-man rotation, is it worth trying to get back? I believe Jamail had 14 DNPs as a freshman after conference play started. Ferguson had 17. Erik had 9. Is it inconceivable that Duane would get a DNP in half or more of our remaining games and limited minutes in the chances he got, especially as at least 19 of our remaining games will be meaningful?

I'm all for Duane and hope he has a great career here. I just worry that rushing back to play in a season that's nearly half-gone might end up being a wasted one.
Then perhaps the Coach should explain what is going on.Isn't that reasonable?
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

willie warrior

Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 18, 2013, 09:49:29 AM
Duane will play when Buzz thinks he's ready.

Air. Cleared.


Not really. That needs to come from the Coach's mouth. That is what he should say, if it is true. What is so difficult about him saying that?
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

tower912

The announcers said he clearly wasn't ready.    
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Canned Goods n Ammo

Quote from: willie warrior on December 18, 2013, 09:51:46 AM
Then perhaps the Coach should explain what is going on.Isn't that reasonable?

Honestly, that's not reasonable.

The coach and Duane's family will communicate through the process and come to a decision.

Once a solid decision has been made, that will be shared with the public.

The coach does not need to share the process at this point. Too many variables. Too many people misinterpreting stuff.


hairy worthen

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 18, 2013, 09:51:12 AM
I wonder, if Duane was from Oklahoma City, or Dallas, or Boston, would people feel as confident that he was going to come in and get minutes right away? If we've learned anything from freshmen over the past few years, it's that many of them aren't going to contribute heavily in their first year. And when a freshman suffers a major setback, it only decreases that likelihood. I know a lot of people watched Duane in high school, but the average freshman has a ton to adjust to when they come to this level, Duane's injury is significantly more than that.

Lets look at who we have at back up point guard. Dawson, is a freshman also so he has the same adjustments to make as Duane does. Jamil is out of position at the point, the reason he is playing there speaks volumes on where Dawson is at this time. Of course Buzz has a pretty good idea of where Duane will fit in and maybe you are correct, but I am not so sure he would be behind Dawson and Jamil, we just don't know for sure yet.


brewcity77

Quote from: willie warrior on December 18, 2013, 09:51:46 AM
Then perhaps the Coach should explain what is going on.Isn't that reasonable?

No, not reasonable at all. Buzz has an obligation to be accountable to his players, his players' families, and his employers. He has no obligation to tell the fans what Duane's status is just because a bunch of idiots on the Internet are complaining. Certainly not until after the situation is resolved.

willie warrior

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 18, 2013, 09:59:15 AM
No, not reasonable at all. Buzz has an obligation to be accountable to his players, his players' families, and his employers. He has no obligation to tell the fans what Duane's status is just because a bunch of idiots on the Internet are complaining. Certainly not until after the situation is resolved.
Don't agree with you. he does have a responsibility to the fans also. Since he has been medically cleared and is suiting up, then tell us why he is not playing. He is hurting does not square with the medical report Buzz gave. If he is not ready, then Buzz needs to say so. If his defense or practice results are lacking, he needs to say so. He does it for others.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: willie warrior on December 18, 2013, 11:10:10 AM
Don't agree with you. he does have a responsibility to the fans also. Since he has been medically cleared and is suiting up, then tell us why he is not playing. He is hurting does not square with the medical report Buzz gave. If he is not ready, then Buzz needs to say so. If his defense or practice results are lacking, he needs to say so. He does it for others.

Yeah, no. He doesn't owe you a damn thing where this is concerned.

brewcity77

Quote from: willie warrior on December 18, 2013, 11:10:10 AM
Don't agree with you. he does have a responsibility to the fans also. Since he has been medically cleared and is suiting up, then tell us why he is not playing. He is hurting does not square with the medical report Buzz gave. If he is not ready, then Buzz needs to say so. If his defense or practice results are lacking, he needs to say so. He does it for others.

In order...

No, he doesn't. He doesn't have to. Buzz doesn't need to say anything. Buzz doesn't need to say anything. What he does for others has nothing to do with Duane.

Bottom line, you are quite simply wrong. You can pout and whine and bang your fists against the wall, but Buzz owes you nothing.

GooooMarquette

Seems like everybody but willie agrees that Buzz doesn't owe us anything in terms of reporting on Duane.

Odd that a coach would owe such a report to one fan.  Must be one important dude.....

copious1218

Quote from: willie warrior on December 18, 2013, 11:10:10 AM
Since he has been medically cleared and is suiting up, then tell us why he is not playing. He is hurting does not square with the medical report Buzz gave.

Isn't it possible to be medically cleared AND still be hurting?  Medically cleared could be that playing would not risk further injury, but Duane could still be hurting.  Isn't S. Taylor medically cleared?  Yet, Buzz has said that he is still fighting through some pain.  Seems to me they aren't the same thing.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: willie warrior on December 18, 2013, 09:46:43 AM
Let's see: Buzz says last week he has full medical clearance, the announcers said he looked to have beautiful form (implying there was no sign of pain). The kid is suited up but Dr. Buzz says no he is still hurting. Then why is he suited up? Something not right with this picture. Why can't Buzz clear the air and say what the hell is going on? But then all the kool aid drinkers will blindly come forward and call anybody that raises those types of concerns any name they can think of. As the illustrious Frank Drebben said "Nothing to see here"

The announcers also said that he didn't look "even close to 100%"

Why is he suited up? In the very small chance that Derrick goes down with an injury and Jamil fouls out and Dawson is like a deer in the headlights, a not 100% Duane is the next best option.

Dude, settle down. You get so angry about problems that don't even exist
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Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 18, 2013, 01:11:35 PM
The announcers also said that he didn't look "even close to 100%"

Why is he suited up? In the very small chance that Derrick goes down with an injury and Jamil fouls out and Dawson is like a deer in the headlights, a not 100% Duane is the next best option.

Dude, settle down. You get so angry about problems that don't even exist

That about sums it up

GOO


brewcity77

Quote from: GOO on December 18, 2013, 02:43:35 PM
Is Williie a troll?

Up there with "Is the Pope Catholic?" and "Does a bear s**t in the woods?" in terms of self-evident questions used to sarcastically prove a point.

GOO

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 18, 2013, 02:45:18 PM
Up there with "Is the Pope Catholic?" and "Does a bear s**t in the woods?" in terms of self-evident questions used to sarcastically prove a point.

I guess I am not the smartest guy.  He sure wastes a lot of time on this board for a non-MU fan.  Can he be banned?

tower912

He is a UW-something alum that spent 20 minutes in a MU graduate program back in the day.   I wouldn't call him a troll.   Just a one-note unintentionally funny satirist. 
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JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Quote from: GOO on December 18, 2013, 02:50:02 PM
I guess I am not the smartest guy.  He sure wastes a lot of time on this board for a non-MU fan.  Can he be banned?

I wish he would be, but the Ignore Feature works well for some...
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mu03eng

Quote from: willie warrior on December 18, 2013, 09:46:43 AM
Let's see: Buzz says last week he has full medical clearance, the announcers said he looked to have beautiful form (implying there was no sign of pain). The kid is suited up but Dr. Buzz says no he is still hurting. Then why is he suited up? Something not right with this picture. Why can't Buzz clear the air and say what the hell is going on? But then all the kool aid drinkers will blindly come forward and call anybody that raises those types of concerns any name they can think of. As the illustrious Frank Drebben said "Nothing to see here"

Maybe you should send Buzz a note asking if he likes you with boxes to check: Yes, No, Maybe

What does Buzz need to justify to you or any of us.  What in his performance says he has anything other than the players, the teams, and the universities interests(in that order) at heart?  You would like to know, so would I...but there is absolutely nothing we should know.

Do you also see conspiracies in every corner?  What about this situation says something is "going on"?
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Stretchdeltsig

The announcers have no credibility.  They have no clue what is really going on with Duane.  Until Buzz speaks up, no one really knows what's going on.  I think Willie has a point.  Buzz does have a responsibility to fans to tell us what Duane's status is.  We are supporting the team by spending big bucks on tickets, etc. and some of us looked forward to watching Duane play this year.  What is going on Buzz?  Please give us an update, whether it's good or bad on Duane's status.

avid1010

Quote from: willie warrior on December 18, 2013, 11:10:10 AM
Don't agree with you. he does have a responsibility to the fans also. Since he has been medically cleared and is suiting up, then tell us why he is not playing. He is hurting does not square with the medical report Buzz gave. If he is not ready, then Buzz needs to say so. If his defense or practice results are lacking, he needs to say so. He does it for others.
his responsibility is to the players regarding injuries.  his responsibility to the fans is to win with a program that MU can be proud of.  he's won, and i'm happy with the way the players conduct themselves overall, so he's fulfilled that responsibility. 

i've posed this question to you a million times, and you will never answer it.  if buzz is such a dope, then who should MU find to replace him?  everyday i manage employees that do things i have no idea how to do myself.  in the end, we set standards for their productivity and their conduct, because micro-managing their actions and decisions would show a great deal of arrogance and stupidity on my part.  they are then evaluated based upon those standards.  what are your standards for buzz?

wadesworld

Duane is medically cleared to play and wants to play.

MUeng

Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on December 18, 2013, 04:27:11 PM
The announcers have no credibility.  They have no clue what is really going on with Duane.  Until Buzz speaks up, no one really knows what's going on.  I think Willie has a point.  Buzz does have a responsibility to fans to tell us what Duane's status is.  We are supporting the team by spending big bucks on tickets, etc. and some of us looked forward to watching Duane play this year.  What is going on Buzz?  Please give us an update, whether it's good or bad on Duane's status.
While it would be nice to know the actual detailed status of Duane, I'm pretty sure only professional sports have the responsibility to inform the media/fans.  Even that can be difficult.  Bill Belichek?

Lighthouse 84

Quote from: wadesworld on December 18, 2013, 06:19:25 PM
Duane is medically cleared to play and wants to play
Wade, you clearly have some inside track on talking to some of the players.  Does Duane feel he's ready to play?  If the answer is yes, does Duane feel he knows the defensive rotations and can execute them well enough to play as well or better than DeWil, JD or JWil, when they each play the point?  I guess the question would apply to whomever is playing the 2 as well.

Either way, I would like to know Duane's thoughts. I can imagine being cleared to play and really wanting to play, but if I'm honest with myself, realize why I'm not playing. 
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willie warrior

Quote from: GOO on December 18, 2013, 02:43:35 PM
Is Williie a troll?
Yeah, Willie must be a troll because he does not swallow all the Kool Aid some do and asks questions. Listening to some on this board, Buzz can tell the fans to shove it.

And just for the record I have been an MU fan for longer than many on this board and have seen plenty of coaches come and go.

If you do not like the questions, don't read the posts. And of course, if you do not like the opinions, call names, that is always classy and satisfies the little boy in those that do it.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

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