5-4

[Clam Crowder]

4 losses right now having alot of people on this board complaining and thinking something is wrong.

-2 of those 4 losses were to now top 5 teams
-1 was in a hostile road environment and 1 bad call changed the momentum entirely

The SDSU game was tight to the end. We have not lost to any teams that should have everyone quitting on this season. We beat a team that went on to beat a conference opponent projected to be in the top tier of our conference.

We always want to see the team in the top 25 but I think people need to relax

[brewcity77]

Is the answer 1?

[tower912]

Agreed that this a chillax moment.   5-4.   4 games in 20+ days coming up after 5 straight road games.   Really only one truly bad half of basketball.  (Second half against tOSU)  I expect that the rotations will look different at Creighton.   

[NavinRJohnson]

You have it all wrong...

- MU should have been expected to beat #4 Wisconsin in Madison, because they typically aren't very talented or athletic (even though they are now).
- MU should have been expected to beat #3 OSU because they were at home.
- MU should have been expected to beat ASU, because while MU shouldn't lose at home, other teams should.
- MU should have beaten SDSU because...well, they just should have, that's all.

[madtownwarrior]

Your're right, Marquette should not have been expected to win any tough but winnable games...

You have it all wrong...

- MU should have been expected to beat #4 Wisconsin in Madison, because they typically aren't very talented or athletic (even though they are now).
- MU should have been expected to beat #3 OSU because they were at home.
- MU should have been expected to beat ASU, because while MU shouldn't lose at home, other teams should.
- MU should have beaten SDSU because...well, they just should have, that's all.

[chapman]

Can't wait to unveil our "No Bad Losses" banner next year.  We should do it when ASU or UW comes to visit to let them know we're ok with losing to them.  That will definitely intimidate them.

[Dreadman24]

NIT here we come

[ChicosBailBonds]

You have it all wrong...

- MU should have been expected to beat #4 Wisconsin in Madison, because they typically aren't very talented or athletic (even though they are now).
- MU should have been expected to beat #3 OSU because they were at home.
- MU should have been expected to beat ASU, because while MU shouldn't lose at home, other teams should.
- MU should have beaten SDSU because...well, they just should have, that's all.

I expected to lose to UW-madison and OSU.

ASU, they're not that great.  SDSU...ditto.

Hopefully we get better

[NavinRJohnson]

Your're right, Marquette should not have been expected to win any tough but winnable games...

Which are those exactly...which games should MU have been EXPECTED to win? The supporting rationale would be helpful as well.

[madtownwarrior]

I was not saying we should expect them to win any one of those specific games.     I am saying that we should be able to expect Marquette to win some tough games along the way (if they are a quality team).

Or we could just rationalize every loss as "oh, well that was a tough team," hang the "No bad losses banner," hand out orange slices, give participants ribbons to all and go home...

To be a tough team, don't you have to win tough games?

Which are those exactly...which games should MU have been EXPECTED to win? The supporting rationale would be helpful as well.

[NavinRJohnson]

I was not saying we should expect them to win any one of those specific games.     I am saying that we should be able to expect Marquette to win some tough games along the way (if they are a quality team).

Or we could just rationalize every loss as "oh, well that was a tough team," hang the "No bad losses banner," hand out orange slices, give participants ribbons to all and go home...

To be a tough team, don't you have to win tough games?

So in other words, you just like to bitch because you want them to be better?

[madtownwarrior]

You don't want them to be better?   You're okay losing to OSU, UW, ASU and SDSU because they were "better?"

Besides not agreeing that ASU and SDSU are better (they were that day as the score shows), but do you not think MU can play a whole better than they currently are?

Would you not prefer MU to be better and win some games against tough competition?

So in other words, you just like to bitch because you want them to be better?

[Coleman]

I expected to be better than 5-4 at this point.

But its not the end of the world. Life goes on.

[TallTitan34]

Opponents that MU have lost to are 33-3 overall.

[madtownwarrior]

Part of that great record is because they beat MU

Opponents that MU have lost to are 33-3 overall.

[NavinRJohnson]

Part of that great record is because they beat MU

Thanks. Not sure if anyone would have figured that out.

[Nukem2]

Part of that great record is because they beat MU

Well, they are still 29-3 otherwise.......

[brandx]

The idea of this thread is wrong. I have no problem being 5-4 with the schedule we have played, although it would be nice to be 7-2.

The problem is that we have seen the backcourt and that is what people are going into a panic over. Unless something changes there, it will be a long season - borderline NCAA or possible NIT. I don't believe it is possible to win without a serviceable PG and unless Duane is healed and can give 20 minutes by the middle of the conference schedule, I fear we are in trouble.

You could give Michigan State, Kansas, Duke, Arizona, Louisville, etc. a backcourt like Saturday and they would also be struggling big-time.

[77ncaachamps]

The 5-4 record is what makes it more frustrating.

The Warriors were in three of those games (tOSU excluded).
A win against any ONE of those teams would have been wonders for their non-Conf record.

The losses to very good teams doesn't wow the March committee unless you almost run the conference table and are sitting on or near the bubble.

[moomoo]

Is the answer 1?

Well done.

[Stronghold]

Have a hard time believing UW is #4.  Granted they are 10-0 but only 1 ranked win.  I just feel like so many teams ranked in the top 15 would destroy them.

[esotericmindguy]

You have it all wrong...

- MU should have been expected to beat #4 Wisconsin in Madison, because they typically aren't very talented or athletic (even though they are now).
- MU should have been expected to beat #3 OSU because they were at home.
- MU should have been expected to beat ASU, because while MU shouldn't lose at home, other teams should.
- MU should have beaten SDSU because...well, they just should have, that's all.

I expect them to win at least one of those. Don't think that's unreasonable. It has not been a good start to the season, I think everyone can agree with that. And yes, they should have beaten SDSU because they're a better team.

[NavinRJohnson]

And yes, they should have beaten SDSU because they're a better team.

Based on what?

[MUfan12]

Have a hard time believing UW is #4.  Granted they are 10-0 but only 1 ranked win.  I just feel like so many teams ranked in the top 15 would destroy them.

I won't go that far, but I think they're destined for another March disappointment. They're so one dimensional offensively, and all it will take is one off night. Just like last year.

[MU82]

I expect them to win at least one of those. Don't think that's unreasonable. It has not been a good start to the season, I think everyone can agree with that. And yes, they should have beaten SDSU because they're a better team.

You are not the first to confidently state that MU is better than SDSU.

Based on ... what?

If fans of Davidson and Butler said after we beat them in last year's NCAAs that they were better than Marquette, what would your response be?

Mine would be: "Say whatever you want. I'll just look at the final score. Thank you."

You know, Patrick Ewing claimed 763,210 times that the 90s-era Knicks were better than the Bulls.