Koenig should have gone to MU

[ChicosBailBonds]

Your sense of loyalty to an employer, even one that has broken promises made when someone was hired is commendable.

I guess that you are still on your first job out of school.

I'm not under a contract, he was.  I'm free to leave as I wish, as are most people in this country.  Contracts are different matter.  This is why MU paid $300K to settle and get Buzz out of his contract.

Look, I don't blame him for leaving, better gig, didn't feel like he was getting what he was promised, etc.  Remember the thread about PERSPECTIVE....let's do that.  That's what it is about.  Avid made a comment about how the last guy disrespected MU and the players...that's fine.  I just wanted to note that the perspective of UNO fans, AD, players, at least some of them, was the exact same.  The irony wasn't lost on me, but I think it was lost on many others.

As is often the case around here, the fans have one set of rules for one coach, a different set for their own coach.  Feel free to swap out "coach" for posters as well.

[MUSF]

I cheer for MU to beat whomever they are playing

I'm not your typical Chicos hater, but don't you think it's weird that you have to make this statement on an MU message board?

This is probably a pretty good indicator that the perceptions of you on this board are more of a you problem than an everyone else problem.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The new Chico's equivalent to "some of my best friends are black."

Some of them are, in fact. 

For the record, I know many people that went to junior college, some ended up at UCLA, Cal, etc.  Did very well for themselves.  Didn't have the money for a 4 year school, or wanted to build up their grades.  Good for them.

[MerrittsMustache]

I'm not under a contract, he was.  I'm free to leave as I wish, as are most people in this country.  Contracts are different matter.  This is why MU paid $300K to settle and get Buzz out of his contract.

Look, I don't blame him for leaving, better gig, didn't feel like he was getting what he was promised, etc.  Remember the thread about PERSPECTIVE....let's do that.  That's what it is about.  Avid made a comment about how the last guy disrespected MU and the players...that's fine.  I just wanted to note that the perspective of UNO fans, AD, players, at least some of them, was the exact same.  The irony wasn't lost on my, but I think it was lost on many others.

As is often the case around here, the fans have one set of rules for one coach, a different set for their own coach.  Feel free to swap out "coach" for posters as well.

Source?

You also stated: Read the comments from some of the New Orleans players. They were obviously disappointed, as they should have been.  

The beef with Crean wasn't because the players were disappointed that he left necessarily. It was because of HOW he left.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm not your typical Chicos hater, but don't you think it's weird that you have to make this statement on an MU message board?

This is probably a pretty good indicator that the perceptions of you on this board are more of a you problem than an everyone else problem.

I think its weirder MUSF that people would even think I wouldn't cheer for MU.  It's only handful, but I find that nonsense a lot more weird.  My office is a MU cathedral, part of my house, I fly to at least one away game a year.  I have been to most MU NCAA games in the last 10 years.  I spend an inordinate amount of time on a MU message board, certainly not because I don't cheer or care for the program.  One would think some common sense would be applied here at some point.  Perhaps too much to ask.

[MUSF]

I think its weirder MUSF that people would even think I wouldn't cheer for MU.  It's only handful, but I find that nonsense a lot more weird.  My office is a MU cathedral, part of my house, I fly to at least one away game a year.  I have been to most MU NCAA games in the last 10 years.  I spend an inordinate amount of time on a MU message board, certainly not because I don't cheer or care for the program.  One would think some common sense would be applied here at some point.  Perhaps too much to ask.

I personally don't doubt that you are an MU fan, but what you choose to comment on, and the manner in which you choose to comment is at least part of the problem.

It's like you are marching in a formation of a hundred people and wondering why 99 of them are out of step.

[NersEllenson]

I think its weirder MUSF that people would even think I wouldn't cheer for MU.  It's only handful, but I find that nonsense a lot more weird.  My office is a MU cathedral, part of my house, I fly to at least one away game a year.  I have been to most MU NCAA games in the last 10 years.  I spend an inordinate amount of time on a MU message board, certainly not because I don't cheer or care for the program.  One would think some common sense would be applied here at some point.  Perhaps too much to ask.

I personally know you are an MU fan and believe you to be one.  The only question I think I have and others here have is:  Are you ultimately a bigger fan of Tom Crean, than you are of MU under Buzz Williams?

Even 90% of the Crean detractors here can appreciate what the guy did at MU.  The other 10% only not able to due to bad personal experiences with the guy, and/or due to the way he CHOSE to leave MU and The Big 3 - not going to admin and his players first before it leaked.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Source?

You also stated: Read the comments from some of the New Orleans players. They were obviously disappointed, as they should have been.  

The beef with Crean wasn't because the players were disappointed that he left necessarily. It was because of HOW he left.

Revisionist history.  The beef was that he left AND how he left.  It was both.  I can find plenty of examples here from 2008 where people lost their lids because he didn't honor his new contract, yada yada yada.  It was both.

As for sources, ok (I'm sure I'll regret this, but I'm merely answering the mail here for which I will be labeled a Buzz hater by simply copying and pasting what others have said     ):

The AD
"extremely disappointed that Buzz Williams has decided to resign...."   http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2928349

"I was really torn last year between Buzz and Joe, and it's very rare that you get a chance to correct a mistake," Privateers athletic director Jim Miller said - "I told every candidate last year that it might get worse before it gets better and you better be prepared for it," Miller said. "Obviously the previous head coach wasn't prepared for it. I feel really good about hiring Joe." -  http://collegesportsinfo.com/2007/07/12/new-orleans-names-cal-assistant-pasternack-coach/#sthash.a2CN3WqT.dpuf

At least Towe coached here for five seasons. His successor, Williams, resigned after last season to become an assistant at Marquette. Miller, the athletic director, remains puzzled by his departure, saying that Williams, a native Texan, did not have local ties or an apparent appreciation of the halting pace of recovery.  "I guess it was a culture shock, and he couldn't really handle it," Miller said.   http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/22/sports/ncaabasketball/22neworleans.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


UNO Administration
UNO is fighting the charges. "He claims he was misled about the situation," says Patricia Adams, the school's general counsel. "We disagree with that vehemently. Instead of honoring his contract, he chose to make these ludicrous allegations."   http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/bigeast/2009-02-24-marquette-buzz-williams_N.htm


UNO Fans...again, it's perception (THEIR PERCEPTION, NOT YOURS.  Just as IU fans will look at TC leaving FOR IU much differently than you view it with him leaving FROM MU.  Some of their fans saw it as no big deal, the perception of others were quite different...here are some examples)

"This move is bush league. Everyone in the UNO community has known for quite some time that the arena would not be ready for the upcoming bball season. Don't let Mr. Buzz pull your leg on that one! Besides, this was the perfect opportunity for him to build a fan base by recruiting wisely and putting a good product on the floor without any high expectations being pressed on him given the circumstances. This was a coward move. He either realized that he wasn't ready to be a head coach, or he was just being greedy and going after the money. IMHO, his decision to leave had as much to do with the arena as FEMA has had in helping people get back on their feet. Let's get Griff or Tic in here and get a winner!"

"What a sleezy thing to do to leave the program in July for an assistant's job."

"NO offense to Marquette fans--but I mean maybe I could understand his decision if he may have left for Duke, Kentucky etc..
I dont think it is appropriate. No matter if arena is ready or not. Buzz fizzed out on this one. And he wasnt a good coach. Thought UNO was predicted to be better than they were."

Etc, etc.  

[ChicosBailBonds]

I personally don't doubt that you are an MU fan, but what you choose to comment on, and the manner in which you choose to comment is at least part of the problem.

It's like you are marching in a formation of a hundred people and wondering why 99 of them are out of step.

I choose to comment on people saying stupid stuff or saying stuff when the exact same thing is happening at MU.  When you get a bunch of sports fans together that move in a herd mentality, think with their heart instead of their brains sometimes, you are going to get those 99 situations.  That's just the way it is.  People can hate me for it, whatever.  It's like politics and religion. You can have one side rant and rave that the other side is doing X, Y, and Z and all the while that person's side is doing X, Y, and Z squared....sometimes it just becomes too funny.  The multiple standards people have depending on what ox is in the process of being gored has always been interesting to me.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I personally know you are an MU fan and believe you to be one.  The only question I think I have and others here have is:  Are you ultimately a bigger fan of Tom Crean, than you are of MU under Buzz Williams?

Even 90% of the Crean detractors here can appreciate what the guy did at MU.  The other 10% only not able to due to bad personal experiences with the guy, and/or due to the way he CHOSE to leave MU and The Big 3 - not going to admin and his players first before it leaked.

I'm a fan of Marquette, IU and KU.  I know coaches come and go.  I appreciate what Buzz is doing and appreciate what TC did (and is doing for one of my other alma maters).  Coaches come and go, none of them are loyal to the their schools.  I ultimately want whichever caretaker is at my schools to do well, to win, to graduate players, keep them off the police blotter, be good representatives of my alma mater.  If they accomplish this, then I am a big fan.  Because MU ranks highest for me, by default I'm a bigger fan of Buzz than the others.  When he leaves, which he will (they all do), then the next guy I will be a big fan of because he is MU's coach.

[MUSF]

I choose to comment on people saying stupid stuff or saying stuff when the exact same thing is happening at MU.  When you get a bunch of sports fans together that move in a herd mentality, think with their heart instead of their brains sometimes, you are going to get those 99 situations.  That's just the way it is.  People can hate me for it, whatever.  It's like politics and religion. You can have one side rant and rave that the other side is doing X, Y, and Z and all the while that person's side is doing X, Y, and Z squared....sometimes it just becomes too funny.  The multiple standards people have depending on what ox is in the process of being gored has always been interesting to me.

I don't disagree with any of this. In fact, I often feel the same way, and make similar comments. So do many others, but the tone, frequency, and nature of many of your posts seem to cause more consternation and blow back than others. Most of us don't have our loyalty questioned, get told that our posts are out of line, or get banned for large chunks of time.

If you take pride in being the contrarian, fine but don't act surprised when you get the response you have been trolling for.

[MerrittsMustache]

UNO Fans...again, it's perception (THEIR PERCEPTION, NOT YOURS.  Just as IU fans will look at TC leaving FOR IU much differently than you view it with him leaving FROM MU.  Some of their fans saw it as no big deal, the perception of others were quite different...here are some examples)

"This move is bush league. Everyone in the UNO community has known for quite some time that the arena would not be ready for the upcoming bball season. Don't let Mr. Buzz pull your leg on that one! Besides, this was the perfect opportunity for him to build a fan base by recruiting wisely and putting a good product on the floor without any high expectations being pressed on him given the circumstances. This was a coward move. He either realized that he wasn't ready to be a head coach, or he was just being greedy and going after the money. IMHO, his decision to leave had as much to do with the arena as FEMA has had in helping people get back on their feet. Let's get Griff or Tic in here and get a winner!"

"What a sleezy thing to do to leave the program in July for an assistant's job."

"NO offense to Marquette fans--but I mean maybe I could understand his decision if he may have left for Duke, Kentucky etc..
I dont think it is appropriate. No matter if arena is ready or not. Buzz fizzed out on this one. And he wasnt a good coach. Thought UNO was predicted to be better than they were."

Etc, etc.  

Interesting. Although, the comment section that you pulled these quotes from was actually pretty balanced. Quite a few people did not fault Buzz at all for leaving. Perhaps UNO fans are just more level-headed than Scoopers.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Interesting. Although, the comment section that you pulled these quotes from was actually pretty balanced. Quite a few people did not fault Buzz at all for leaving. Perhaps UNO fans are just more level-headed than Scoopers.

Which I acknowledged, some were ok with it and some not.  I didn't even post the comments from the other articles which were more harsh....I think the point was made....it's all about perspective that one holds and everyone holds a different perspective based on how it affects them.

[willie warrior]

Joe Wolf should have gone to MU. Program would have been forever changed. Majerus stays for a long run; no Dukiet; no O'neil; no Crean, and eventually Bo Ellis becomes HC, keeping the McGuire lineage at MU to the present. And just think of the studs that would have been recruited by Majerus. More Roman Muellers, and Keith Van Horn.

[4everwarriors]

Wolf and Ricky Olson were the finishin' touches for Majerus. He shoulda sent more ribs from Saz's up to Kohler, hey?

[MUSF]

Joe Wolf should have gone to MU. Program would have been forever changed. Majerus stays for a long run; no Dukiet; no O'neil; no Crean, and eventually Bo Ellis becomes HC, keeping the McGuire lineage at MU to the present. And just think of the studs that would have been recruited by Majerus. More Roman Muellers, and Keith Van Horn.

I don't share your enthusiasm for Bo Ellis as MU's head coach, regardless of lineage.