Perspective

[memorialspartans]

Well said Lenny....MU had to be perfect and they were but Davidson didn't give the game away
(other then 1 bad turnover) MU took it.

One "bad" turnover allowed MU to win the game...what game were you watching???

[brewcity77]

One "bad" turnover allowed MU to win the game...what game were you watching???

You didn't understand his post in the least.

[ChicosBailBonds]

One "bad" turnover allowed MU to win the game...what game were you watching???

I believe our coach and my own eyes.  "We're lucky to still be standing"  An understatement.  It's one thing to "take it", it's another thing to "take it with some help".  It is almost impossible to lose a lead like that without some cooperation, which of course also happened.


It's a very fine line....Buzz gets it.

[MuMark]

Of course we were lucky to win it...we were behind the whole game...that doesn't mean they gave the game away......they had 1 turnover in the last 3 minutes......they didn't miss a bunch of front end of one and ones or make stupid fouls.....they threw the ball away once...that is the extent that they "pissed their pants"

MU was fortunate to make all their shots(including a number of tough 3's) down the stretch......margin for error was zero.....but to MU's credit they did it and weere able to survive a game that many other teams would have lost.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Of course we were lucky to win it...we were behind the whole game...that doesn't mean they gave the game away......they had 1 turnover in the last 3 minutes......they didn't miss a bunch of front end of one and ones or make stupid fouls.....they threw the ball away once...that is the extent that they "pissed their pants"

MU was fortunate to make all their shots(including a number of tough 3's) down the stretch......margin for error was zero.....but to MU's credit they did it and weere able to survive a game that many other teams would have lost.

Yes, we did a ton of great stuff to put enormous pressure on them, and they they pissed themselves.  I believe the pressure certainly added to it.  It has to be an O MY GOD moment to watch your opponent hit 3 three pointers in the last minute, two of them with extra degree of difficulty.

As for what happened, actually in that time frame you used they missed a shot, missed a free throw and threw the ball a way, and committed a foul.  To MU's credit, in that last three minutes MU made 3 three pointers, two free throws and the winning layup.  All came up roses.  Needed some help, and took advantage of it.  Lucky to win....sometimes better to be lucky than good...I prefer both and that what happened that game.

[Lennys Tap]

I believe our coach and my own eyes.  "We're lucky to still be standing"  An understatement.  It's one thing to "take it", it's another thing to "take it with some help".  It is almost impossible to lose a lead like that without some cooperation, which of course also happened.


It's a very fine line....Buzz gets it.

Any time you win a game that's decided by a.single point you're a little lucky. Please show me where Buzz said "Davidson pissed themselves". You're the only one I heard that nonsense from.

[Eldon]

I believe our coach and my own eyes.  "We're lucky to still be standing"  An understatement.  It's one thing to "take it", it's another thing to "take it with some help".  It is almost impossible to lose a lead like that without some cooperation, which of course also happened.


It's a very fine line....Buzz gets it.

+10

[murara1994]

I believe our coach and my own eyes.  "We're lucky to still be standing"  An understatement.  It's one thing to "take it", it's another thing to "take it with some help".  It is almost impossible to lose a lead like that without some cooperation, which of course also happened.


It's a very fine line....Buzz gets it.

Jeez, you will say anything to denigrate and undermine all the hard work it takes for Buzz and the team to even be in a position to be successful, won't you?  Give it a rest with this passive aggressive nonsense.

[MU82]

For what I hope will be the last time, Davidson DID NOT piss their pants. They scored 1.25 points per possession down the stretch - 1-1 field goal (100%), 3-4 free throws (75%) and had one (1) turnover. We scored 11 points (3-3 from 3, 1-1 from 2) on our last four possessions (2.75 ppp). We were flawless. Had they been flawless, they would likely have held on (barely) - but there is a huge difference between pissing one's pants and flawless.

Well, Brooks -- their second-best player -- did piss his pants on that outlet pass.

But I agree with brew that teams (and individuals) tend to make their own luck.

And that Chicos seems to work overtime to stick in the knife and twist it.

[Dr. Blackheart]

The Florida game was as bad as it could get...why?  The effort was not there, maybe the worst under Buzz...and worse, Buzz was letting it go on.  The one exception:  Vander Blue.  He was going all out, trying to will the team back.  His effort, despite a pitiful loss, picked that team up by its bootstraps.  He became a man that day, and he was only Marquette player that day who deserved to wear a Warrior uniform.

Vander went on to have more newsworthy games...but that is the one game I will always remember of him.  No quit, despite a piss poor team effort.

[MUSF]

The Florida game was as bad as it could get...why?  The effort was not there, maybe the worst under Buzz...and worse, Buzz was letting it go on.  

Do you think that maybe that game taught the team a valuable lesson about effort that payed off in March? So far Buzz has demonstrated that he knows how to develop a team throughout the season.

The Florida game was certainly painful from a fan's perspective.

[The Equalizer]

Jeez, you will say anything to denigrate and undermine all the hard work it takes for Buzz and the team to even be in a position to be successful, won't you?  Give it a rest with this passive aggressive nonsense.

Actually, he's denigrating the idiots who think Buzz's game plan was to intentionally fall behind to the 14th seed to set up the situation where 3 contested 3 point attempts from a pair of 30%shooters, followed by an opponents turnover with six seconds to go, followed by a last second two point shot would be the only way to win. Not to mention not once but twice letting 20 seconds run off the clock before fouling to stop the clockin the last 1:12.  And THEN crediting the win to "great coaching."

Giving Buzz credit for that win takes it away from the real heroes--Jamil Wilson and Vander Blue, who stepped up in the face of highly improbably odds and actually had to take those shots.  

Buzz did a piss poor job of gameplanning the 14 seed. He made no real adjustments all game. Down the stretch he had no play designed that could get a player an uncontested three. It was entirely in the hands of Blue and Wilson to decide on their own to decide if and when when they would shoot.

And the sad part is that fans would have crapped all over Wilson and Blue had either missed one of those threes simply becuase they attempted to win.

I'm tired of guys like Lenny denegrating the real heroes of that game, Wilson and Blue, so he could give false credit elswhere.

And what do you bet that Lenny or his minions go after me for pointint out the obvious, rather than either mount some defense of Buzz's actual coaching moves during the game, or admitting that it wasn't Buzz's finest coaching hour. 

[GurneeHitchkr]

Last year was Marquette's best season in 10 years. Second best in 35 years. But it was hardly all "seashells and balloons". Here's a very small sampling of what Scoopers felt about their Warriors last December:

I guess we are due for a down year - Not an Alum

Simply not a real good team. I've wanted to be wrong for a month now, but the lads don't have quite enough to make it so - MU82

? .500 Big East season. I think it's going to be a long winter - Mileskishnish

Expectations are very different this year. Tourney bid is a big success - ErickJD08

Maybe coaching, maybe the talent not there.....MU will be forced to shoot jump shots all season - 79 Warrior

So this is our character revealed - 4th and State

The talent on our team is not at the same level as Florida. Not even close - ATL MU Warrior

This is just a small sample of some of the criticisms of our Elite 8 and Big East Champions last December. They are by no means the most vitriolic and, as a "snapshot" of where we were then, not altogether unfair or inaccurate. But the season doesn't end in December or January and giving up prematurely on teams coached by Buzz Williams has proven spectacularly foolish on multiple occasions. I'll wait until the body is cold.

[4everwarriors]

We could use the Greek Freak, hey?

[GurneeHitchkr]

Last year was Marquette's best season in 10 years. Second best in 35 years. But it was hardly all "seashells and balloons". Here's a very small sampling of what Scoopers felt about their Warriors last December:

I guess we are due for a down year - Not an Alum

Simply not a real good team. I've wanted to be wrong for a month now, but the lads don't have quite enough to make it so - MU82

? .500 Big East season. I think it's going to be a long winter - Mileskishnish

Expectations are very different this year. Tourney bid is a big success - ErickJD08

Maybe coaching, maybe the talent not there.....MU will be forced to shoot jump shots all season - 79 Warrior

So this is our character revealed - 4th and State

The talent on our team is not at the same level as Florida. Not even close - ATL MU Warrior

This is just a small sample of some of the criticisms of our Elite 8 and Big East Champions last December. They are by no means the most vitriolic and, as a "snapshot" of where we were then, not altogether unfair or inaccurate. But the season doesn't end in December or January and giving up prematurely on teams coached by Buzz Williams has proven spectacularly foolish on multiple occasions. I'll wait until the body is cold.

I've been reading this for years and rarely post anything.  Just enjoying the conversation.  But I couldn't have said it better.  Relax.  It's only early December.  Have faith.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Jeez, you will say anything to denigrate and undermine all the hard work it takes for Buzz and the team to even be in a position to be successful, won't you?  Give it a rest with this passive aggressive nonsense.

Funny, if you read what I said I praised them for making three three pointers, two free throws and a last second layup.

Reading....try it....it can be passive, aggressive, informational, erotic, whatever you like.

[ChicosBailBonds]

It's good to see have come around and said luck is part of the equation....some of you have come a long way in a few months from a time when luck had no role.

Progress.   

[Dr. Blackheart]

Do you think that maybe that game taught the team a valuable lesson about effort that payed off in March? So far Buzz has demonstrated that he knows how to develop a team throughout the season.

The Florida game was certainly painful from a fan's perspective.

That was my point...but I think it was Vander's effort in that game, despite the hill to climb back, that taught the team that lesson: Never give up.  At that point, no one team leader had surfaced. I think we are still waiting for that guy to this year.  

[murara1994]

Funny, if you read what I said I praised them for making three three pointers, two free throws and a last second layup.

Reading....try it....it can be passive, aggressive, informational, erotic, whatever you like.

How clever.  As if you don't know exactly what you are doing.  Every single one of your 'compliments' is a disguised insult.  Nobody knows why but you have an agenda and it couldn't be more transparent.  That's what happens when you post obsessively and with such an obvious bias.  You create a profile.

You know what can be enlightening?  Self-awareness.  Try it.

[LloydMooresLegs]

Great post, Lenny.  And kudos to all those quoted who took it in the good natured spirit it was offered.

[jesmu84]

Actually, he's denigrating the idiots who think Buzz's game plan was to intentionally fall behind to the 14th seed

Does anyone actually think this? I haven't gotten that impression from anyone on this board.

[real chili 83]

Actually, he's denigrating the idiots who think Buzz's game plan was to intentionally fall behind to the 14th seed to set up the situation where 3 contested 3 point attempts from a pair of 30%shooters, followed by an opponents turnover with six seconds to go, followed by a last second two point shot would be the only way to win. Not to mention not once but twice letting 20 seconds run off the clock before fouling to stop the clockin the last 1:12.  And THEN crediting the win to "great coaching."

Giving Buzz credit for that win takes it away from the real heroes--Jamil Wilson and Vander Blue, who stepped up in the face of highly improbably odds and actually had to take those shots.  

Buzz did a piss poor job of gameplanning the 14 seed. He made no real adjustments all game. Down the stretch he had no play designed that could get a player an uncontested three. It was entirely in the hands of Blue and Wilson to decide on their own to decide if and when when they would shoot.

And the sad part is that fans would have crapped all over Wilson and Blue had either missed one of those threes simply becuase they attempted to win.

I'm tired of guys like Lenny denegrating the real heroes of that game, Wilson and Blue, so he could give false credit elswhere.

And what do you bet that Lenny or his minions go after me for pointint out the obvious, rather than either mount some defense of Buzz's actual coaching moves during the game, or admitting that it wasn't Buzz's finest coaching hour. 

You are correct, these guys got the win.

It may not have been Buzz's greatest game as a coach, but it's is his team.  Just like all of his other teams that have over achieved.

Not sure why you are trying to defend Chicos.  Tonight, he has done nothing but offer a "different perspective" all night.  On more than one topic. Chicos is a smart dude, and a good writer, but he comes across as having an agenda.  Just scratching my head as to why he works so hard at it.  

Yes, I realize you didn't directly name Chicos in your thread.....

Anyways, Go Warriors!  Let's hang another pelt up in the BC!

[MUSF]

Does anyone actually think this? I haven't gotten that impression from anyone on this board.

No, nobody actually thinks this.

[Lennys Tap]

Actually, he's denigrating the idiots who think Buzz's game plan was to intentionally fall behind to the 14th seed to set up the situation where 3 contested 3 point attempts from a pair of 30%shooters, followed by an opponents turnover with six seconds to go, followed by a last second two point shot would be the only way to win. Not to mention not once but twice letting 20 seconds run off the clock before fouling to stop the clockin the last 1:12.  And THEN crediting the win to "great coaching."

Giving Buzz credit for that win takes it away from the real heroes--Jamil Wilson and Vander Blue, who stepped up in the face of highly improbably odds and actually had to take those shots.  

Buzz did a piss poor job of gameplanning the 14 seed. He made no real adjustments all game. Down the stretch he had no play designed that could get a player an uncontested three. It was entirely in the hands of Blue and Wilson to decide on their own to decide if and when when they would shoot.

And the sad part is that fans would have crapped all ov.er Wilson and Blue had either missed one of those threes simply becuase they attempted to win.

I'm tired of guys like Lenny denegrating the real heroes of that game, Wilson and Blue, so he could give false credit elswhere.

And what do you bet that Lenny or his minions go after me for pointint out the obvious, rather than either mount some defense of Buzz's actual coaching moves during the game, or admitting that it wasn't Buzz's finest coaching hour. 

Never, at any time, anywhere did I or any other "idiots" you refer to state that it was our game plan to fall behind Davidson and need a near miracle comeback. Anyone who would suggest such a thing is a liar and an idiot himself. That would be you.

Never, at any time, anywhere did I credit the win to "great coaching". Anyone who says I did is a liar and an idiot. That would be you.

Never, at any time, anywhere did I "denigrate the real heroes of the game" (Blue and Wilson) for their play down the stretch. As a matter of fact, I said they played flawlessly during that time. Only a liar and an idiot would say otherwise. That would be you.

In addition, I never said the Davidson game was Buzz's finest coaching hour. Only a liar and an idiot would suggest I did. That would be you.

This is your typical modus operandi. You make up things that people never said then call those same people idiots for saying them. And when you piss off people enough with your insults and made up BS that they respond angrily in kind you whine like a little boy.

We've covered all the things you claimed I said that I never said - now here's what I did say:

Davidson didn't piss there pants and give us the game. They scored 5 points in their final 4 possessions. We (Jamil and Vander in particular) took the game by playing flawlessly (11 points in our last 4 possessions). They were the heroes, and I said that from the jump.

[ChicosBailBonds]

How clever.  As if you don't know exactly what you are doing.  Every single one of your 'compliments' is a disguised insult.  Nobody knows why but you have an agenda and it couldn't be more transparent.  That's what happens when you post obsessively and with such an obvious bias.  You create a profile.

You know what can be enlightening?  Self-awareness.  Try it.

No agenda.  We got lucky, that's ok.  Buzz knew it, every sportswriter in America knew it, most fans knew it.  I don't know why people are so afraid to embrace it.  Hell, sometimes you get a little lucky and win a game.  Nothing to be ashamed of, and certainly no agenda.  

If we had lost a game on a full court shot that was pure luck, would you say we didn't lose on a lucky shot?  If we lost a game the way Davidson did, would you say Davidson won the game or we lost the game....be honest.  Try it.  I'll bet 90% of this board would say we lost it. Let's make it even more interesting....if IU lost a game the way Davidson did, I'd bet 99.999% would say IU choked it. Or UW-madison. If IU had won the game the we did against Davidson, I'd bet 99.999% would say IU got lucky to win it. Or insert ND or UW-madison.  Be honest...try it.  All the people here saying we took it, or we won it, would be 180 degrees on the opposite side of the ledger if one of those other teams was in that situation. 

Funny how what team does what changes the perspective...perspective is the name of this thread....see how I tied that all up in a bow for you?