Dawson drained that three pointer

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Time to start him.

[NersEllenson]

Time to start him.

I agree.  Thanks for making an intelligent post for once.

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Brew's going to love this.

[NersEllenson]

Brew's going to love this.

I'm sure Brew will....and he can once again make a ridiculous argument about how good of PG Derrick Wilson is.  Derrick is the weakest link on the team as far as how good he is with respect to the position he plays.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

I'm sure Brew will....and he can once again make a ridiculous argument about how good of PG Derrick Wilson is.  Derrick is the weakest link on the team as far as how good he is with respect to the position he plays.

I still think that honor goes to Jake.

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I still think that honor goes to Jake.

If Jake is shooting 40%+ from 3PL, he's not a weak link.

[brewcity77]

Excellent trolling, PTM. Perfectly executed, and as expected, the bait was quickly snatched up on your joke post. Tip of the cap to you, sir.

[Nevada233]

Excellent trolling, PTM. Perfectly executed, and as expected, the bait was quickly snatched up on your joke post. Tip of the cap to you, sir.

Dawson for Three!!! Its good

[MU82]

Flood took a 3 in the Fullerton game. Too bad it didn't go in, because if it did we could offer that as proof that he should be starting over Jamil!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I'm sure Brew will....and he can once again make a ridiculous argument about how good of PG Derrick Wilson is.  Derrick is the weakest link on the team as far as how good he is with respect to the position he plays.

What more does Derrick need to do to prove to you that he is a halfway decent PG? He's been great the last three games.

[ATL MU Warrior]

What more does Derrick need to do to prove to you that he is a halfway decent PG? He's been great the last three games.

Change his name to John Dawson and magically get two more years of eligibility?

[GGGG]

What more does Derrick need to do to prove to you that he is a halfway decent PG? He's been great the last three games.

His stand on this issue has nothing to do with Derrick's ability as a PG...and everything to do with Ners' inability to admit that he was wrong.

He's just doubling down.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Change his name to John Dawson and magically get two more years of eligibility?

Uhhh, I believe it's John "Magic" Dawson, FYI.

[NersEllenson]

What more does Derrick need to do to prove to you that he is a halfway decent PG? He's been great the last three games.

Derrick was very good in the ASU game.  Beyond that, I'd say he's been okay the last couple of games.  Derrick is not an attacking point guard - his assists are virtually forgetful - how many can you recall where he truly creates a great look for his teammate based off of something he does in transition or breaking a defender down of the dribbler?  So yesterday he scored 11 points, 8 of them on layups at the basket.

This MU team can be good with him running the point, simply by the sheer talent around him - but, it won't be great, nor reach its ceiling with him running the point 32 minutes a game.

The guy averages 5ppg, 4assists, 4 rebounds in playing 30 minutes per game.  So he basically assists 1 FG every 7:30 of play...

Sorry, I just don't have a hard on for the guy like some here do - he's a backup caliber point guard at a high major program.  He won't hurt you, but he isn't going to help you win any games either.

[brewcity77]

So now it's a bad thing that Derrick is scoring layups? I thought the biggest criticism was that he didn't drive to the hole? I guess whatever verbal gymnastics are necessary to fit the narrative  

[NersEllenson]

So now it's a bad thing that Derrick is scoring layups? I thought the biggest criticism was that he didn't drive to the hole? I guess whatever verbal gymnastics are necessary to fit the narrative  

Well a 5th grader could make the layups Derrick made yesterday....and of the 4 he made, only 1 did he go all the way to the basket on - the other 3 were off of cuts at the basket and others assisting him.

Listen Brew - just go watch any of the Top 15 teams in the country and watch their point guard - if you don't feel Derrick is far and away the least dynamic and creative of the bunch...don't know what to tell you.

Junior Cadougan was a hell of a lot better PG than Derrick - as I recall Junior creating many great looks in transition and the half court, as well as being able to turn the corner off of a pick and either get all the way to the basket, or pull up and hit the mid range jumper with a 50% conversion rate.

Where are our transition/fast break points this year?  Have we ever looked worse in transition?  Can you recall even 5 assists of Derrick's this year where he broke someone down off the dribble and created a nice look for a teammate?

[GGGG]

Derrick was very good in the ASU game.  Beyond that, I'd say he's been okay the last couple of games.  Derrick is not an attacking point guard - his assists are virtually forgetful - how many can you recall where he truly creates a great look for his teammate based off of something he does in transition or breaking a defender down of the dribbler?  So yesterday he scored 11 points, 8 of them on layups at the basket.

Precious. 

[jsglow]

We all know where Ners stands on this issue.  Can the mods somehow highlight threads where the 'Derrick sucks' mantra dominates the discussion in purple or something?  I'd really prefer not to have to put Ners on Ignore.   

[ATL MU Warrior]

Well a 5th grader could make the layups Derrick made yesterday....and of the 4 he made, only 1 did he go all the way to the basket on - the other 3 were off of cuts at the basket and others assisting him.

Listen Brew - just go watch any of the Top 15 teams in the country and watch their point guard - if you don't feel Derrick is far and away the least dynamic and creative of the bunch...don't know what to tell you.

Junior Cadougan was a hell of a lot better PG than Derrick - as I recall Junior creating many great looks in transition and the half court, as well as being able to turn the corner off of a pick and either get all the way to the basket, or pull up and hit the mid range jumper with a 50% conversion rate.

Where are our transition/fast break points this year?  Have we ever looked worse in transition?  Can you recall even 5 assists of Derrick's this year where he broke someone down off the dribble and created a nice look for a teammate?

This is just utter nonsense.  

[NersEllenson]

This is just utter nonsense.  

Please go ahead and rebut what I've written with evidence to the contrary...

You think we look good in transition this year?

You think Derrick is better than Junior Cadougan - who was a player widely maligned by many MU fans?

Can most 5th graders who play basketball, not make a right handed layup at the basket?

[brewcity77]

I was wrong about Vander getting drafted. I was wrong about Jake being able to hit threes at this level. I was wrong about how much JJJ will be able to contribute this year. Just a few examples of the many times I've been wrong. Admitting you are wrong is very easy and somewhat cathartic because it reminds us we are human.

Some people simply don't have the ability to admit when they are wrong. And when you refuse to admit you are wrong, it usually results in becoming more and more wrong as you try to defend a blatantly fallacious argument. From the outside, though, it is fun to watch, because the bizarre defense of the false argument simply looks more and more ridiculous as time goes on.

[Big Papi]

Listen Brew - just go watch any of the Top 15 teams in the country and watch their point guard - if you don't feel Derrick is far and away the least dynamic and creative of the bunch...don't know what to tell you.

I don't think anyone here is saying that Derrick is a great dynamic point guard.  I think the debate is who is MU's best point guard and I think Derrick is better than Dawson right now and probably will be better than Dawson at the end of the year.  Without a doubt, Dawson has a higher ceiling and I expect a great career but he is not ready to start and play 25 plus minutes at the point.

And as far as recalling assists go, I can't recall any of Dawson's assists either.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Derrick actually slowed down the transition game yesterday and was a perimeter passing PG.
We need more assists from that position.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Please go ahead and rebut what I've written with evidence to the contrary...

You think we look good in transition this year?

You think Derrick is better than Junior Cadougan - who was a player widely maligned by many MU fans?

Can most 5th graders who play basketball, not make a right handed layup at the basket?

Do we look good in transition?  We are not a team built for transition. That's not Derrick's fault.

Do I think Derrick is better than Junior?  I don't know or care.  Junior got very little credit over his career.  I ABSOLUTELY think Derrick is better than John Dawson, which is really all that matters and is your entire idiotic argument.  Try to stay on subject.  

Can 5th graders make a right handed layup?  Really???  So now that he's scoring you have to try to denigrate how he is doing it?  Stupid.  

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I don't think anyone here is saying that Derrick is a great dynamic point guard.  I think the debate is who is MU's best point guard and I think Derrick is better than Dawson right now and probably will be better than Dawson at the end of the year.  Without a doubt, Dawson has a higher ceiling and I expect a great career but he is not ready to start and play 25 plus minutes at the point.

And as far as recalling assists go, I can't recall any of Dawson's assists either.

Bingo.

Let's stay on topic.

The debate isn't Derrick vs the rest of the nation.

The "debate" is Derrick vs Dawson.

Derrick is currently leading the team in minutes (by a pretty good margin). Dawson is last, with 2 DNPs. I think that tells you where Buzz stands on the "debate".

If/when Dawson is able to contribute, he'll get minutes. I don't think this is that complicated.