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Hards Alumni

UGLY.

JT taking a bad shot, and DW getting abandoned with two big guys in front of him.

That is on Buzz.

chapman

We can work with tonight's play and build something off of it.  Though indeed, what Buzz calls the "special teams", the OOB and end of clock plays, have always been brutal despite the emphasis.  Even most of our game winners in recent years have been something made after the original play broke down.

mu_hilltopper

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on November 25, 2013, 10:15:49 PM
UGLY.

JT taking a bad shot, and DW getting abandoned with two big guys in front of him.

That is on Buzz.

Co-sign.  Terrible last two.  Waiting for Buzz on Homer's show to say explain the patheticness of those last 40 seconds.

MerrittsMustache

#3
On the final play, they were running a play for Jake to come off a double screen from Otule and Gardner for a top-of-the-key 3 attempt. Derrick likely had the option to run that play or take it to the rim depending on the D. Jake was defended well and DW had a step so he made the proper read (IMO). However, I'd rather see Jamil with the ball in that situation (EDIT: I realize he had fouled out). Derrick was great tonight but he didn't have much of chance to get that shot over the 7-footer.

GoldenWarrior11

Worst two possessions were not the last two.  Thomas and Johnson rushed two really bad, ugly shots that could have taken league with a few minutes left in the game (2:00 minutes left?  3:00?).  Buzz's reaction on the sideline said it all.

JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on November 25, 2013, 10:41:58 PM
Worst two possessions were not the last two.  Thomas and Johnson rushed two really bad, ugly shots that could have taken league with a few minutes left in the game (2:00 minutes left?  3:00?).  Buzz's reaction on the sideline said it all.

JJJ played well, but he did that twice today. Tried to rush it which turned into a 2 second possession.
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jtrash37

Jamil also took a few shots on possessions down the stretch that could have given MU the lead.

All in all, a solid game once the team got their feet under them.  Looking forward to the growth we all know is coming this season.

muhoops1

If they could have had one of those put backs fall w/ a little over a min left they win by 2 or 3.  Much better than I ever expected honestly with how poorly they've played of late.

New team to hate ASU.

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Jake's shot was not good, but I'm going to give Derrick more slack on the last shot for the following reasons.

1.) Jamil Wilson had just fouled out, leaving Jake Thomas as the only credible perimeter threat. As such, Thomas was in position quickly during a second free throw that very well could have gone in, and Thomas accordingly attracted ALL the ASU defense's attention. He was not going to sneak up on anybody.

2.) Davante Gardner is not running the length of the floor to score in 6 seconds without committing an offensive foul. He is not the answer there.

3.) Derrick Wilson had gotten underneath that 7'2" Goliath a couple times in the game. At the very least, maybe you can draw a foul and go to the line? As unlikely as a buzzer-beating foul call on the road is going to be, it's even less likely on a jump shot.

4.) Give ASU credit. They had pretty much everybody covered. The only open player was on the complete opposite side of the basket, out behind the three-point line (Jajuan? Deonte?) That would have been a hell of a pass through the land of the giants, would have eaten up a second of clock, and would have found the ball in the hands of a freshman with a low-percentage shot.
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Quote from: muhoops1 on November 25, 2013, 10:45:11 PM
If they could have had one of those put backs fall w/ a little over a min left they win by 2 or 3.  Much better than I ever expected honestly with how poorly they've played of late.

New team to hate ASU.

Naw.  If anything, after tonight I like them.  Jahii Carson is a badass.

ChicosBailBonds

I'd like to have the non goaltending block called about now

Hards Alumni

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 25, 2013, 10:56:40 PM
I'd like to have the non goaltending block called about now

+1000 that was a really bad non call.

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 25, 2013, 10:56:40 PM
I'd like to have the non goaltending block called about now

I didn't think it was going to hit the rim. Looked way short on the replay too.  Definitely was on the way down, but that call didn't bother me.

brewcity77

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 25, 2013, 10:56:40 PM
I'd like to have the non goaltending block called about now

There was another missed when an ASU guy grabbed net while the ball was still on the rim, though we had one of those non-calls in the first half as well. Bachynski's was by far the most egregious.

MUDPT

Derrick needs to develop the Cordell Henry floater.  If they are going to back off of him that far, he needs to be able to dribble as far as possible at the defender and pull up.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

I didn't like the deep two by Thomas, because by definition I think deep twos are pointless. But he did have the open look and several bigs in postition to grab the rebound if it missed. That Canadian tree just wanted it more.
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Quote from: MUDPT on November 25, 2013, 11:15:18 PM
Derrick needs to develop the Cordell Henry floater.  If they are going to back off of him that far, he needs to be able to dribble as far as possible at the defender and pull up.

Whoa ... I'm just glad he made more than half his free throws and looked aggressive on offense. Baby steps.
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Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 25, 2013, 11:58:40 PM
I didn't like the deep two by Thomas, because by definition I think deep twos are pointless. But he did have the open look and several bigs in postition to grab the rebound if it missed. That Canadian tree just wanted it more.

That kid will get an NBA paycheck...good hands and pretty quick off his feet...good shot blocking skills...may not see another big of his caliber this year.

Thought Jake got off a decent look, and he'd been hot in the 2nd half, so no qualms with him taking that shot.
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Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 25, 2013, 11:58:40 PM
I didn't like the deep two by Thomas, because by definition I think deep twos are pointless. But he did have the open look and several bigs in postition to grab the rebound if it missed. That Canadian tree just wanted it more.

I agree completely.  Don't like the idea of the long two, but the play was designed that way and he had an open look with under 10 to play.

Would have preferred to see us set up for Jamil on the wide post.  Don't think we could go to Gardner as he struggled straight up in the post (most points out side the paint or feeds after big drawn away).  

Dr. Blackheart

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Anyone wonder why Herb didn't foul at the end? He had one to give.  Also thought he waited way too long to call a time out on MU's run back in the 2nd.

tower912

Jake got a decent look, he just missed.   DeWilson decided to be the man.   I would have loved him to give the ball up, but with 7 seconds and no timeouts, sometimes you just get what you get.   
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Quote from: forgetful on November 26, 2013, 12:09:15 AM
I agree completely.  Don't like the idea of the long two, but the play was designed that way and he had an open look with under 10 to play.

Would have preferred to see us set up for Jamil on the wide post.  Don't think we could go to Gardner as he struggled straight up in the post (most points out side the paint or feeds after big drawn away).  
You must have forgotten that Jamil had fouled out at that point.....

I thought Jake had a good look on his shot, though I think he shot it a little early.  They could have moved the ball into the paint and then back out again.   On the last play, DeWill should have gone to his left and found someone open to shoot.  Even though he had a great game to that point, I wouldn't have been comfortable with him at the line to make both to tie had he been fouled on that play.
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I thought they should have gone small with JJJ on the offensive end.  But Buzz's set plays have always been a bit "interesting."

forgetful

Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on November 26, 2013, 08:26:40 AM
  You must have forgotten that Jamil had fouled out at that point.....

I thought Jake had a good look on his shot, though I think he shot it a little early.  They could have moved the ball into the paint and then back out again.   On the last play, DeWill should have gone to his left and found someone open to shoot.  Even though he had a great game to that point, I wouldn't have been comfortable with him at the line to make both to tie had he been fouled on that play.

I was referencing the 2nd to last possession (sorry didn't make it clear)...the last possession to some extent is a crap shoot, you run a play and take what the defense gives you.  For some reason I was thinking that Jamil fouled out on the rebound on that possession...sorry for my mistake.  Don't love the shot over a 7'2" guy, but if that is the option, you take it.

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Quote from: Hards_Alumni on November 25, 2013, 10:51:42 PM
Naw.  If anything, after tonight I like them.  Jahii Carson is a badass.

I agree. Felt like I was watching Aaron Hutchins. Carson is better, but similar style and attitude.

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