It isn't rocket science...

[brewcity77]

What exactly has Derrick done?

Literally nothing.

If it helps, I'm starting to get bored answering this incredibly repetitive and moronic question. Especially when so many of you broad-brushed this kid before the first game of the season and will place all the blame on Derrick when Todd, Jamil, and Davante can't hit a shot.

Honestly, this site is starting to make me ashamed of Marquette fans. The vitriol so many of you are spewing toward this kid is disturbing. I hope he doesn't spend much time on this board. I'll tell you what Derrick has done. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DESERVE THE GOD-AWFUL TREATMENT HE IS GETTING.

For that matter, nor has Jake. Some guy in the student section was heckling him on and off all night last night. At least I can chalk that up to him being a stupid kid. Most of you on here don't have the same excuse.

They aren't perfect players. That doesn't mean they don't have positive attributes and haven't earned the positions and playing time they are getting. And it also doesn't mean they aren't the best options Buzz has on this team. The sooner you all accept that the easier and more enjoyable this team will be to watch. Look at them for what they are, not what you wish they could be.

[PGsHeroes32]

You just wrote a 3 paragraph essay and the question still stands

What has Derrick done?

It's actually really open ended. Just list the 1,000 negative things and technically you answer my question.

[tower912]

When Jamil quits missing dunks and open lay ups, when Gardner gets his head right and plays hard every possession and makes his free throws, when Juan hits his first  trail 3, when STjr sees a ball go through the hoop, when Jake hits his first two 3's of a game,  all of this goes away.   Right now, the shooting problem is firmly between their ears.   DeWilson isn't the problem.   He isn't the solution either, but neither is Dawson at this point. 

[brewcity77]

You just wrote a 3 paragraph essay and the question still stands

What has Derrick done?

It's actually really open ended. Just list the 1,000 negative things and technically you answer my question.

If you could read, you'd see it has been discussed ad nauseum. People keep asking the same question, it keeps getting answered, and then they ask again. It's like the kid in the back seat asking "Are we there yet?"

[Windyplayer]

If it helps, I'm starting to get bored answering this incredibly repetitive and moronic question. Especially when so many of you broad-brushed this kid before the first game of the season and will place all the blame on Derrick when Todd, Jamil, and Davante can't hit a shot.

Honestly, this site is starting to make me ashamed of Marquette fans. The vitriol so many of you are spewing toward this kid is disturbing. I hope he doesn't spend much time on this board. I'll tell you what Derrick has done. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DESERVE THE GOD-AWFUL TREATMENT HE IS GETTING.

For that matter, nor has Jake. Some guy in the student section was heckling him on and off all night last night. At least I can chalk that up to him being a stupid kid. Most of you on here don't have the same excuse.

They aren't perfect players. That doesn't mean they don't have positive attributes and haven't earned the positions and playing time they are getting. And it also doesn't mean they aren't the best options Buzz has on this team. The sooner you all accept that the easier and more enjoyable this team will be to watch. Look at them for what they are, not what you wish they could be.

Vitriol and awful treatment? We've all been deeply disappointed in him, but we're not tearing the kid down as a person. He's just terrible. It is what it is. He plays high level D-I baskebtall, if he can't handle the critique go DIII. He doesn't need you to defend him, he's a big boy and I'm sure he's doing everything he can to get better--and I hope he does. But the criticism on this board is warranted.

[CTWarrior]

Derrick Wilson is taking a bigger share of the blame than he deserves, for sure, but that doesn't mean he isn't a problem.  The real question becomes, if not Derrick, then who?  He will get a lot of minutes against ASU (more than he did against UNH) because they have a big-time scorer in the backcourt. 

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

You just wrote a 3 paragraph essay and the question still stands

What has Derrick done?

It's actually really open ended. Just list the 1,000 negative things and technically you answer my question.

Your question is stupid because you literally don't know how to use the word literally.

And yes, Derrick has played poorly. But, realistically, he's an average player playing poorly. J. Wilson and Gardner are good players who are playing poorly. If we getting the pitchforks and torches out (figuratively), start with those guys.

[GGGG]

Ummm thank you....not a chance to get into any kind of flow in that limited time.  I still liked what I saw from John...even though his 2nd time in he was playing off the ball with Jamil being at the 1.  Didn't get to see John run the point much.  As for his missed 3's - one was totally rushed at end of the shot clock, 1 was right on target, the other was a miss.  His form looks much better than Derrick's does - and I just like what way Dawson accelerates the pace of the game - as looking to push/advance the ball up court quickly off of defensive rebounds.

Here we go again...

This year's version of "If only Buzz knew what I know about <insert player here>.  We would be so much better."

There is a reason Dawson had limited time.  It wasn't because of loyalty.  It was because the head basketball coach, who sees these players a lot more than we do, doesn't think he deserves more time.

Clearly he was searching for another option at point.  But we need to stop thinking that a few positive minutes against SWAC teams means Dawson is ready for extended runs against future teams.

[brewcity77]

He doesn't need you to defend him,

No, but apparently you think he does need you to say he's terrible. And you can't figure out what vitriol I'm talking about? Really?

[Windyplayer]

There is a reason Dawson had limited time.  It wasn't because of loyalty.  It was because the head basketball coach, who sees these players a lot more than we do, doesn't think he deserves more time.

I think a lot of us have a hard time believing that Dawson doesn't deserve more time given Wilson's total lack of production and inability to run the offesne. Dawson would just have to be GOD AWFUL in practice to keep him off the court. I honestly think this is Buzz riding out a plan for as long as he can before realizing that he has to blow it up and start over. He started the process last night.

[GGGG]

I think a lot of us have a hard time believing that Dawson doesn't deserve more time given Wilson's total lack of production and inability to run the offesne. Dawson would just have to be GOD AWFUL in practice to keep him off the court. I honestly think this is Buzz riding out a plan for as long as he can before realizing that he has to blow it up and start over. He started the process last night.

My guess.  Derrick and Dawson are marginally equal offensively.  Derrick is light years ahead defensively.  (And that last point isn't really a guess.)

[Windyplayer]

but apparently you think he does need you to say he's terrible.

I don't think MU players need us to say anything nor should they. It's for the MUScoop community.

I don't expect Wilson to take anything I say to heart. I hope he stays in a positive mindset and makes the best of a difficult situation, but on the sidelines, I'll express my opinion.  

[4everwarriors]

Why isn't anyone rippin' on JJJ's shootin' form?

[Windyplayer]

Derrick is light years ahead defensively. 

Definitely.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I think a lot of us have a hard time believing that Dawson doesn't deserve more time given Wilson's total lack of production and inability to run the offesne. Dawson would just have to be GOD AWFUL in practice to keep him off the court. I honestly think this is Buzz riding out a plan for as long as he can before realizing that he has to blow it up and start over. He started the process last night.

Then Buzz Williams should be fired.

If the guy who is in practice everyday with these kids can't figure out that John Dawson is a significant upgrade over Derrick Wilson, he should be fired immediately. Let Jerry take the reigns. If he plays Wilson, fire him too.

The problem is, we are internet dorks, and see these kids for 1% of the time that Buzz does. If Buzz isn't playing JD, then kid isn't ready (yet). Kids who are ready/good, will force their way into a line-up. Steve Taylor did it. Vander did it. Gardner did it. etc. etc.

[4everwarriors]

There are things far more difficult than rocket science.

[madtownwarrior]

Brew is right that the vitriol should not be aimed at Derrick.  He is not a high D1 cailber PG being asked to play one.   The question should be to Buzz as to why there is not a better option at PG.   Was he counting on Vander to be the PG this year?   Was he counting on Duane Wilson?   Did he expect Derrick to improve more?

Dawson has upside - maybe that is why people are calling for Dawson over Derrick.   Derrick does not appear to have much upside.   Build around the future and upside versus struggle with the known.

If it helps, I'm starting to get bored answering this incredibly repetitive and moronic question. Especially when so many of you broad-brushed this kid before the first game of the season and will place all the blame on Derrick when Todd, Jamil, and Davante can't hit a shot.

Honestly, this site is starting to make me ashamed of Marquette fans. The vitriol so many of you are spewing toward this kid is disturbing. I hope he doesn't spend much time on this board. I'll tell you what Derrick has done. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DESERVE THE GOD-AWFUL TREATMENT HE IS GETTING.

For that matter, nor has Jake. Some guy in the student section was heckling him on and off all night last night. At least I can chalk that up to him being a stupid kid. Most of you on here don't have the same excuse.

They aren't perfect players. That doesn't mean they don't have positive attributes and haven't earned the positions and playing time they are getting. And it also doesn't mean they aren't the best options Buzz has on this team. The sooner you all accept that the easier and more enjoyable this team will be to watch. Look at them for what they are, not what you wish they could be.

[GGGG]

Then Buzz Williams should be fired.

If the guy who is in practice everyday with these kids can't figure out that John Dawson is a significant upgrade over Derrick Wilson, he should be fired immediately. Let Jerry take the reigns. If he plays Wilson, fire him too.

The problem is, we are internet dorks, and see these kids for 1% of the time that Buzz does. If Buzz isn't playing JD, then kid isn't ready (yet). Kids who are ready/good, will force their way into a line-up. Steve Taylor did it. Vander did it. Gardner did it. etc. etc.

And the problem is the collective Scoop always has excuses for why Buzz doesn't do what they think he should do.

Vander only played because he had an ego and would transfer...he only plays Derrick out of loyalty...

[brewcity77]

It's for the MUScoop community.

And that's a big part of the problem. This community thinks it exists in a vacuum. It doesn't.

[MerrittsMustache]

I think Buzz has a habit, for better or worse, of rewarding players too much for whatever reason (seniority, playing hard in practice, etc.). Sometimes it backfires. In this case, I think we have a case of seniority and Buzz not wanting to back down from his pre-season plan of having De Wilson be "the guy" at point.

Care to site an example of this?

[Windyplayer]

Care to site an example of this?

No, Buzz would never come out and say it. But based on his interviews and anecdotes, he puts a lot of emphasis on the way guys practice as far as intensity and we know for a fact that he doesn't like playing freshmen as often as other coaches might. So yes, there is an inference here, but it's by no means, far fetched.

[Windyplayer]

And that's a big part of the problem. This community thinks it exists in a vacuum. It doesn't.

OK. This isn't the New York Times.

[MU82]

Then Buzz Williams should be fired.

If the guy who is in practice everyday with these kids can't figure out that John Dawson is a significant upgrade over Derrick Wilson, he should be fired immediately. Let Jerry take the reigns. If he plays Wilson, fire him too.

The problem is, we are internet dorks, and see these kids for 1% of the time that Buzz does. If Buzz isn't playing JD, then kid isn't ready (yet). Kids who are ready/good, will force their way into a line-up. Steve Taylor did it. Vander did it. Gardner did it. etc. etc.

Excellent post.

We have asked, "What has Derrick done?" or "What has Dawson done?" or even "What has Gardner done?"

The best question is: "What has Buzz done to earn our trust?"

Isn't the answer: "A whole hell of a lot!"?

Can't we trust that Buzz actually knows what he's doing? It's not asking for blind trust, as it might have been in his first year on the job. The man has a pretty darn good track record at Marquette of winning games, recognizing talent, developing players, etc., doesn't he?

Six years in, with an Elite Eight, two Sweet 16s and several NBA players on his resume, there are still some here who don't trust that he's an OK coach?

And while I'm on this, let's go back to Derrick ...

I DO trust Buzz. And he benched his starting PG -- and supposedly one of his favorite players ever at MU -- to use a power forward at PG in the final minutes of a close game.

No matter what any of us here says to criticize Derrick Wilson, it will be less of an indictment than that.

I like to think even Derrick's staunchest defenders can see that.

[PGsHeroes32]

Then Buzz Williams should be fired.

If the guy who is in practice everyday with these kids can't figure out that John Dawson is a significant upgrade over Derrick Wilson, he should be fired immediately. Let Jerry take the reigns. If he plays Wilson, fire him too.

The problem is, we are internet dorks, and see these kids for 1% of the time that Buzz does. If Buzz isn't playing JD, then kid isn't ready (yet). Kids who are ready/good, will force their way into a line-up. Steve Taylor did it. Vander did it. Gardner did it. etc. etc.

Lol you comment on the use of literally?

Alright so we see these kids 1%. Of the time Buzz does?

Well two games a week is 4 hours. So 1% would be 400 hours. Sadly I don't think buzz " sees these kids" 17 days in a 7 day week

You are LITERALLY an idiot tehehehe

[brewcity77]

Lol you comment on the use of literally?

Alright so we see these kids 1%. Of the time Buzz does?

Well two games a week is 4 hours. So 1% would be 400 hours. Sadly I don't think buzz " sees these kids" 17 days in a 7 day week

You are LITERALLY an idiot tehehehe

The difference is, Guns never used the term "literally" in his post, whereas you did. When you don't use the word literally, you are entitled to some hyperbole. You, on the other hand, are only painting yourself deeper and deeper into the idiot corner.