Jake Thomas at Arizona State: Sit 'em or Bench 'em?

[79Warrior]

Jake has had a number in rhythm this year and hasn't hit them.  Let's not pretend that Jake would be a sniper with better passing.

He hits two wide open shots against a team with three guys that fouled out and everyone is wetting their pants.

[AirPunches]

If Jake Thomas and Derrick Wilson see extended minutes against high major teams, MU will likely get blown out. Their defensive ability doesn't come close to offsetting their offensive inefficiencies. Unless things change drastically in the next few days expect another very ugly performance from the team.  

[Lighthouse 84]

It's a Boers & Bernstein fantasy football segment.

No wonder.  It's the one time I turn them off during their show.  Thanks

[chapman]

He hits two wide open shots against a team with three guys that fouled out and everyone is wetting their pants.

Sadly that seems to be two more wide open shots than anyone else hit with three guys fouled out of a team expected to have an RPI in the 300's.

[GGGG]

If Jake Thomas and Derrick Wilson see extended minutes against high major teams, MU will likely get blown out. Their defensive ability doesn't come close to offsetting their offensive inefficiencies. Unless things change drastically in the next few days expect another very ugly performance from the team.  

So what are the options?

I don't think the freshmen are the answer by any means.  Playing Jamil more at point is probably the best of them.

[Lighthouse 84]

So what are the options?

I don't think the freshmen are the answer by any means.  Playing Jamil more at point is probably the best of them.

I think Buzz is feeling that too. He gave Jamil a decent amount of time there tonight and DeWil on the bench.

[79Warrior]

So what are the options?

I don't think the freshmen are the answer by any means.  Playing Jamil more at point is probably the best of them.

That is the question. What are the options. I agree the frosh are not the answer. JJ was 0-3,Dawson 0-3 against a bunny.

I think OJ Mayo needs to start with Thomas coming off the bench. Where was Steve Taylor tonight. JA to me is an offensive stiff.

Perhaps the answer is we don't have an answer. Sad but might be true.

[LAZER]

So what are the options?

I don't think the freshmen are the answer by any means.  Playing Jamil more at point is probably the best of them.

I think Mayo has to take the bulk if the minutes at the 2.  I think that's the best option at this point. As for PG, I have no clue. You probably hope the rest of the scoters pick it up an Wilson can go back to doing his thing.

[PistolPete]

I think Mayo has to take the bulk if the minutes at the 2.  I think that's the best option at this point. As for PG, I have no clue. You probably hope the rest of the scoters pick it up an Wilson can go back to doing his thing.

The lineup that I'd love to see is:

PG Jamil
SG Mayo
SF Juan
PF Steve
C Gardner/Otule

[forgetful]

+1 Both 1st half misses were easy looks - in rhythm.

And he shot 50% from 3 today...that's pretty solid.

[wadesworld]

Having Derrick and/or Juan won't lead to automatic loses against other high majors as long as a large majority of their minutes don't come together.

Jamil at point guard is helpful because it allows for the best 5 players to be on the court at once. It also gives us an extra scoring threat on the court and someone who looks to attack the basket and put pressure on the defense more. This makes sense to me and then when Duane gets healthy you see if he can provide more of the same and slide Jamil back into the switchable/wind role for some minutes.

Time will tell. Buzz will figure it out.

[PistolPete]

And he shot 50% from 3 today...that's pretty solid.

40%

[forgetful]

40%

Thanks for the correction, I missed his last 3 attempt.  Still fairly solid.

[brewcity77]

So what are the options?

I don't think the freshmen are the answer by any means.  Playing Jamil more at point is probably the best of them.

It really felt like the offense ground to a halt when DeWil wasn't out there. Just tough to find rhythm without him. Dawson had one nice pass but most of his were off the mark, and with Jamil it just didn't seem smooth. I hope it gets better with time, but we really need someone to prove they can give Derrick a breather.

[Lighthouse 84]

It really felt like the offense ground to a halt when DeWil wasn't out there. Just tough to find rhythm without him. Dawson had one nice pass but most of his were off the mark, and with Jamil it just didn't seem smooth. I hope it gets better with time, but we really need someone to prove they can give Derrick a breather.

I couldn't disagree more.  When DeWil was in, he stood around the perimeter, passed the ball when it came to him, was no threat to shoot and didn't penetrate.  Not sure how the offense was clicking when he was in.  I'm not a DeWil hater by any stretch but his defense just doesn't outweigh his offensive struggles enough to justify 30+ minutes.

[brewcity77]

  I couldn't disagree more.  When DeWil was in, he stood around the perimeter, passed the ball when it came to him, was no threat to shoot and didn't penetrate.  Not sure how the offense was clicking when he was in.  I'm not a DeWil hater by any stretch but his defense just doesn't outweigh his offensive struggles enough to justify 30+ minutes.

Quite simply, because he doesn't turn the ball over. He doesn't make bad passes. He puts the ball in a place where guys can get it and stay in motion. He's the only guy at the point that does that. I'd love to see Jamil develop something similar, and I'm sure in the next year or two it will come with Dawson, but it's certainly not there yet. He's a long, long way from Magic Johnson, that's for damn sure.

[Newsdreams]

So if you look at the box score per minutesplayed of the starters only Otule was good followed by Jake.....
Marquette Golden Eagles
STARTERS   MIN   FGM-A   3PM-A   FTM-A   OREB   DREB   REB   AST   STL   BLK   TO   PF   PTS
Jamil Wilson, F   30   2-9   0-4   5-9   0   5   5   2   3   2   3   2   9
Juan Anderson, F   25   1-5   0-4   0-0   4   1   5   3   3   0   4   2   2
Chris Otule, C   23   6-7   0-0   4-7   2   0   2   0   0   0   0   3   16
Jake Thomas, G   19   2-6   2-5   0-0   1   2   3   0   0   0   0   3   6

look at Jamil 2/9 & 0/4 treys!!!

[Boone]

The primary reason why Derrick doesn't turn the ball over is b/c once he makes his first pass he rarely sees the ball again during that possession.

[brewcity77]

The primary reason why Derrick doesn't turn the ball over is b/c once he makes his first pass he rarely sees the ball again during that possession.

That is patently false.

[Boone]

You're full of sh*t.

[NersEllenson]

  I couldn't disagree more.  When DeWil was in, he stood around the perimeter, passed the ball when it came to him, was no threat to shoot and didn't penetrate.  Not sure how the offense was clicking when he was in.  I'm not a DeWil hater by any stretch but his defense just doesn't outweigh his offensive struggles enough to justify 30+ minutes.

Good luck getting Brew to back off his continued praises of Derrick Wilson - it's almost comical...now Derrick is the only point guard who can "put the ball in a place where guys can stay in motion???"  I mean where does Brew come up with this crap??  

And he doesn't make bad passes??  Well, it's pretty easy to deliver a safe cross court pass over and over and over and over again.  Let me see Derrick break someone down off the dribble and create a good look for a teammate...or hell even run an effective fast break.  This team has ZERO transition game with Derrick at the point....he's not confident with the ball moving at an ultra fast pace....that's what I loved about Dawson...he played with a lot more pace, acceleration, decisiveness than Derrick has.  It's easy to never commit a turnover, when you never force the action or create anything for teammates, and only make safe pass after safe pass after safe pass.

[Newsdreams]

You're full of sh*t.

Wow what a great answer!!

[Boone]

And 'that is patently false' is a more insightful answer? 

[Newsdreams]

And 'that is patently false' is a more insightful answer? 

Really?

[Nevada233]

So if you look at the box score per minutesplayed of the starters only Otule was good followed by Jake.....
Marquette Golden Eagles
STARTERS   MIN   FGM-A   3PM-A   FTM-A   OREB   DREB   REB   AST   STL   BLK   TO   PF   PTS
Jamil Wilson, F   30   2-9   0-4   5-9   0   5   5   2   3   2   3   2   9
Juan Anderson, F   25   1-5   0-4   0-0   4   1   5   3   3   0   4   2   2
Chris Otule, C   23   6-7   0-0   4-7   2   0   2   0   0   0   0   3   16
Jake Thomas, G   19   2-6   2-5   0-0   1   2   3   0   0   0   0   3   6

look at Jamil 2/9 & 0/4 treys!!!

Jamil should easily be a leader on this team..... hes playing like a frosh