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ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: Bleuteaux on August 19, 2013, 02:59:31 PM
I know it doesn't gel with your stir the pot MO, but Buzz aint goin nowhere

Wasn't stirring the pot at all, just reciting facts about MU coaches and their stay in Milwaukee.  I hope he stays...if I had a nickel for every fan that said their "coach isn't going anywhere" I'd be a rich man.  Every fan base says this.


Sheriff

What would this list look like if it were for coaches under 48?

PVMagic

While I love the pub for Buzz, it is a bit annoying that both of the selected quotes for this "Candid Coaches" series focused on what he could do elsewhere.

Galway Eagle

For the record Buzz Williams makes over 400,000 more than Rick Barnes and I highly doubt that the state of Texas would approve shelling out more for a bball coach as when Barnes got his last increase if was a BFD and ticked a lot of people off.
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

Atticus

Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 19, 2013, 09:24:17 PM
For the record Buzz Williams makes over 400,000 more than Rick Barnes and I highly doubt that the state of Texas would approve shelling out more for a bball coach as when Barnes got his last increase if was a BFD and ticked a lot of people off.

UT operates in the black. They only have 18 varsity sports (Boston College has 29). The AD wrote a check for $6M to the general scholarship fund. $400,000? Im petty sure they'll find that in the coach cushions. Then they'll splash the pot with with another cool mill and check out for nap time.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: Atticus on August 19, 2013, 09:33:39 PM
UT operates in the black. They only have 18 varsity sports (Boston College has 29). The AD wrote a check for $6M to the general scholarship fund. $400,000? Im petty sure they'll find that in the coach cushions. Then they'll splash the pot with with another cool mill and check out for nap time.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/texas-longhorns/20110512-rick-barnes_salary-increase-criticized-by-texas-state-senators.ece
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

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Atticus


ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 19, 2013, 09:24:17 PM
For the record Buzz Williams makes over 400,000 more than Rick Barnes and I highly doubt that the state of Texas would approve shelling out more for a bball coach as when Barnes got his last increase if was a BFD and ticked a lot of people off.

What's the state income tax in Wisconsin doing to that $400k?  What's the lack of a state income tax in Texas do?  

Of course all of this is dependent upon the salary mentions and other compensatory notes actually being accurately reported to begin with....often they are not.

Dawson Rental

You actually have a degree from Marquette?

Quote from: muguru
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

forgetful

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 19, 2013, 10:35:36 PM
What's the state income tax in Wisconsin doing to that $400k?  What's the lack of a state income tax in Texas do?  

Of course all of this is dependent upon the salary mentions and other compensatory notes actually being accurately reported to begin with....often they are not.

Do NCAA basketball coaches get taxed based on their home-state or is it divided amongst the states where they play their games similar to NBA players and golfers?

Galway Eagle

Quote from: Atticus on August 19, 2013, 10:07:39 PM
I don't know what your point is. If they fired Barnes tomorrow and Coach K called, do u think the UT AD would say he can only pay him as much as they paid Barnes? Ha

No my point is more along the lines of Barnes has 2 sweet 16s 2 elite 8s and a Final Four under his belt meanwhile Buzz has two sweet 16s and an elite 8.  I highly doubt that they'd pay more for a coach who has less to boast on his resume than the coach they had just fired. 
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: forgetful on August 19, 2013, 11:42:24 PM
Do NCAA basketball coaches get taxed based on their home-state or is it divided amongst the states where they play their games similar to NBA players and golfers?

Great question...it's one of the silliest taxes out there and started by my lovely state of California in 1991 when the Bulls beat the Lakers for the NBA title.  The fine taxation folks in California hit up the Bulls players and coaches for work in So. Cal.  Fundamentally unfair, in my opinion, because there is no representation.  These guys don't get to vote for or against any of the politicians in California, yet they are taxed there for their work...total money grab.

At any rate, I doubt Buzz is hit with the "jock tax" as they call it.  I believe it is confined to professional athletes, but I'm not 100% sure. 

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Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 19, 2013, 10:35:36 PM
What's the state income tax in Wisconsin doing to that $400k?  What's the lack of a state income tax in Texas do?  

Of course all of this is dependent upon the salary mentions and other compensatory notes actually being accurately reported to begin with....often they are not.
$30k difference on that additional $400k
"Half a billion we used to do about every two months...or as my old boss would say, 'you're on the hook for $8 million a day come hell or high water-.    Never missed in 6 years." - Chico apropos of nothing

Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown

Not bowled over by the analysis for. Those quoted here...


On Stevens: "After he gets fired and collects $22 million from the Celtics, he will come back to whatever school he wants and win a national championship."

Agree Stevens will likely return to NCAA but just chalking him up for a NC... That seems ridiculous for any coach to predict.

Look at how long it took Pitino to get back there with insane talent at Louiseville.

This is a bullshit puffer peice.... Happy out coach is sought after and respected; not going to let others' compliments ruin the ride.
"Half a billion we used to do about every two months...or as my old boss would say, 'you're on the hook for $8 million a day come hell or high water-.    Never missed in 6 years." - Chico apropos of nothing

WarriorInNYC

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 20, 2013, 01:11:11 AM
Great question...it's one of the silliest taxes out there and started by my lovely state of California in 1991 when the Bulls beat the Lakers for the NBA title.  The fine taxation folks in California hit up the Bulls players and coaches for work in So. Cal.  Fundamentally unfair, in my opinion, because there is no representation.  These guys don't get to vote for or against any of the politicians in California, yet they are taxed there for their work...total money grab.

At any rate, I doubt Buzz is hit with the "jock tax" as they call it.  I believe it is confined to professional athletes, but I'm not 100% sure. 

I travel for work almost the whole year doing consulting work and have to log each state I work in for my hours.  I get taxed in each state I work in and have to file returns for each one based on their requirements, so this isn't just limited to athletes.  Over the last three years, I've had to file returns in 12 different states.

dbwarriors

Quote from: WarriorInDC on August 20, 2013, 07:28:41 AM
I travel for work almost the whole year doing consulting work and have to log each state I work in for my hours.  I get taxed in each state I work in and have to file returns for each one based on their requirements, so this isn't just limited to athletes.  Over the last three years, I've had to file returns in 12 different states.

Same here with traveling all year and having to file in multiple states...it's not limited to pro athletes.

StillAWarrior

Quote from: dbwarriors on August 20, 2013, 08:10:12 AM
Same here with traveling all year and having to file in multiple states...it's not limited to pro athletes.

Honest question:  are you guys self-employed and filing on that basis?  Or are you employed by someone else and still required to file in each of the states in which you work and earn?
Never wrestle with a pig.  You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

WarriorInNYC

Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 20, 2013, 08:19:31 AM
Honest question:  are you guys self-employed and filing on that basis?  Or are you employed by someone else and still required to file in each of the states in which you work and earn?

I am employed by a consulting firm, so we have to log time on an hourly basis and required to file in each of the states.  If I log time in a different state than the one which I am working in, I get a friendly email reminding me to fix my state code.

I do know a few people who travel a lot for work in other industries where they do not keep track of this and only file in the state which they live in.

Jay Bee

Quote from: forgetful on August 19, 2013, 11:42:24 PM
Do NCAA basketball coaches get taxed based on their home-state or is it divided amongst the states where they play their games similar to NBA players and golfers?

Home-state. The "jock taxes" are at this point aimed mostly at specific leagues (NBA, NHL for example).
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dbwarriors

Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 20, 2013, 08:19:31 AM
Honest question:  are you guys self-employed and filing on that basis?  Or are you employed by someone else and still required to file in each of the states in which you work and earn?

I'm employed by a consulting firm as well...required to file in each of the states in which I work in any given year.

Strokin 3s

Quote from: dbwarriors on August 20, 2013, 09:01:36 AM
I'm employed by a consulting firm as well...required to file in each of the states in which I work in any given year.

I work for a large energy company and we just recently were required to start logging our hours worked in different states and filing individual state tax returns for time worked there.

bilsu

Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 20, 2013, 12:26:18 AM
No my point is more along the lines of Barnes has 2 sweet 16s 2 elite 8s and a Final Four under his belt meanwhile Buzz has two sweet 16s and an elite 8.  I highly doubt that they'd pay more for a coach who has less to boast on his resume than the coach they had just fired. 
That is rational thinking. Coaches salaries are not rational.

bilsu

I am not worried about Texas. What I would be worried about is Buzz not getting some decent bigmen in this class to keep his success here going. I feel as long as Buzz is able to successfully recruit here he will stay. As soon as he finds he cannot get recruits to maintain or improve on the level of success he has had here almost any other school in Big Ten, ACC, Big 12 or Pac 10 becomes a threat to us. Buzz is smart enough to know that his value goes down (see Barnes) if he starts losing and he knows he cannot win for long without some type of size to play his switchables around. Getting commitments from Lammers and Miller would make me feel very secure for a couple more years.

Atticus

Quote from: bilsu on August 20, 2013, 09:38:39 AM
I am not worried about Texas. What I would be worried about is Buzz not getting some decent bigmen in this class to keep his success here going. I feel as long as Buzz is able to successfully recruit here he will stay. As soon as he finds he cannot get recruits to maintain or improve on the level of success he has had here almost any other school in Big Ten, ACC, Big 12 or Pac 10 becomes a threat to us. Buzz is smart enough to know that his value goes down (see Barnes) if he starts losing and he knows he cannot win for long without some type of size to play his switchables around. Getting commitments from Lammers and Miller would make me feel very secure for a couple more years.

His value wouldnt go down at MU if he started to struggle for whatever reason?  ?-(

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