YES to televise "up to 10" Big East games

[ChicosBailBonds]

What's the difference between "Outer market" and "out of market".  Location of another team?

A team's designated are is often segmented like a concentric circle, or think of a target for an archer or marksman.

The inner market is the center circles and the outer market are the outside circles.  Both the inner and outer market are both team territories, but they typically drive much different rates for television distributors.

As a concrete example, the Yankees in market territory would likely be NYC, surrounding suburbs, and perhaps 100 miles from Yankee stadium...this is just for illustrative purposes.  I actually have maps on all this stuff, but let's just roughly.  The outer market might be roughly mile 101 to mile 400 (again, illustrative...in many team areas it is nothing like this....Arizona Diamondbacks for example have most of the state of New Mexico as their outer market).  In that outer market area, the rate or cost to the distributor is lower than the in market rate, but its also a territory that the distributor may not carry.  The argument being that there aren't a lot of Nets fans in certain zip codes that are 400 miles away, for example.

Out of Market is anything not defined as "in market" or "outer market".  So for a Nets or Yankees team, that would be Nebraska or California or Florida or you name it.  Outside all of those circles.  All games are blacked out in those areas unless you buy a Out of Market sports package like MLB Extra Inning or NBA League Pass.  Without those out of market packages, the games cannot be seen in those areas.  Conversely, if you did live in NYC and bought MLB Extra Innings, the game would be blacked out on that package and the viewer would have to watch the game "locally" on YES.

Hope that makes sense.

[ChicosBailBonds]

apparently Milwaukee has never been YES territory since I've only got YES when buying the Sports pack

Correct.

Here is a simple tool you can use, just put in your zip code and it will tell you what RSN is attached to your territory.

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPageIF.jsp?assetId=3450006

[dayton flyers]

Wouldn't matter in Chicago anyways. It is a waste of a channel for games anyways, since any time Marquette happened to be playing the game would always be blacked out.  

I don't understand this, why would Marquette games on YES be blacked out in Milwaukee?

I understand the concept of a blackout, but here in Cincinnati, Xavier home games on Fox Sports Ohio don't get blacked out.

The only time sporting events in Cincinnati get blacked out are when the Bengals don't sell out their home games.

I guess I didn't realize that college basketball games also get blacked out.

[dayton flyers]

So, I assume that if a Xavier game was on YES, then that game would be blacked out in Cincinnati?

This seems more to be a policy of the individual school rather than YES, correct?

I assume that if Fox Sports Ohio airs Xavier homes games in Cincinnati, then Xavier games on YES would not be blacked out in Cincinnati.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I don't understand this, why would Marquette games on YES be blacked out in Milwaukee?

I understand the concept of a blackout, but here in Cincinnati, Xavier home games on Fox Sports Ohio don't get blacked out.

The only time sporting events in Cincinnati get blacked out are when the Bengals don't sell out their home games.

I guess I didn't realize that college basketball games also get blacked out.

Could be blacked out in Milwaukee on YES, but picked up on the local Time Warner Sports Net.  So it's not really blacked out, just on another channel....the catch is you have to have Time Warner Sports Net and not all systems have it.  Basically it means Time Warner bought out a territory of exclusivity and they want the locals to watch it on their air, with their advertisers instead of watching it on YES.  Prior to Time Warner Sports getting involved a few years ago, the game would not be blacked out on YES (or SNY, MSG, etc in years of the old Big East deal).

[ChicosBailBonds]

So, I assume that if a Xavier game was on YES, then that game would be blacked out in Cincinnati?

This seems more to be a policy of the individual school rather than YES, correct?

I assume that if Fox Sports Ohio airs Xavier homes games in Cincinnati, then Xavier games on YES would not be blacked out in Cincinnati.

Actually, no.  This only has to do with the local rights purchase of Marquette games.  All this being said, I'm going off what was the situation under the old Big East deal, I don't know what Time Warner's rights are with the new deal or with Fox \ YES, for that matter.  I'm just guessing. 

The Xavier example wouldn't be impacted unless FSO has a deal with Xavier that would tie in with the games on YES.  Essentially they're trying to protect the local affiliate (I'm using that term loosely because FSO or TWC aren't an affiliate by the normal definition) and allow them to monetize the viewership and advertising eyeballs in the local area for which they purchased those rights.

[Spotcheck Billy]

so even if I subscribed to the Sports pack on D*, if TWC has their way it will still be blacked out on YES here

[ChicosBailBonds]

so even if I subscribed to the Sports pack on D*, if TWC has their way it will still be blacked out on YES here

Maybe, but based on the last few years it is possible.  We'll have to see what the deal is this year. 

[dgies9156]

I'd like to see some games on Disney. They do well with basketball programming.

Yea, if they live in Palos Verdes for real, they are different! Their Daddy or Mommy or both has/have seven figure incomes!

[ChicosBailBonds]

Yea, if they live in Palos Verdes for real, they are different! Their Daddy or Mommy or both has/have seven figure incomes!

If they live at the bottom of the hill (Rancho Palos Verdes) you could get by with two six figure incomes. 

[dgies9156]

If they live at the bottom of the hill (Rancho Palos Verdes) you could get by with two six figure incomes. 

Barely.

Best thing about Palos Verdes is proximity to LAX

[ChicosBailBonds]

Barely.

Best thing about Palos Verdes is proximity to LAX

You would be surprised.  A lot of people from our office live in RPV and do it on a 6 figure income with one stay at home....most are the bottom of the hill but still considered RPV.  Get to the top or over to Rolling Hills Estates, much more difficult.  I know one guy at work that is renting over there just to get the kids in RPV schools.