Rings

[avid1010]

Let me know when you find any coach anywhere (let alone a blue blood) who has an hour long net cutting ceremony after a home loss  that clinches a conference championship tie. Please, please don't give us that "they're all douches" crap. TC is a world class douche, most others only occasionally dabble in that area.

too funny...

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

You recall incorrectly, it was the ring.

Then people changed their tune when they found out MU did it, so the new outrage was that they have them out at a public event.  When it was shown MU did the same thing at Midnight Madness, the outrage tune changed again.

You are infamous for digging up old threads. I'd like to see the threads about rings. Personally, I have zero problem with them. Something for these kids to cherish and brag about when they're old and gray. The newly constructed display case, however, was atrocious. Do they get another this year?

[keefe]

You are infamous for digging up old threads. I'd like to see the threads about rings. Personally, I have zero problem with them. Something for these kids to cherish and brag about when they're old and gray. The newly constructed display case, however, was atrocious. Do they get another this year?

I don't think anybody begrudges the kids getting rings. My only beef with the rings is that they are garish to the point that even Imelda Marcos would blush. But Crean's celebration was over the top and, not surprisingly, turned into a Tom Crean I-love-me fest. It is never about anyone but him. Unless it involves the Harbaughs which then unleashes all manner of inadequacies and bizarre humility that turn the moment into an exercise in shameless pandering.

The Air Force officer is taught that leadership asks the question, "How can I help these men?" The Bronzed Beast always asks, "How can these men help me?" What is shocking, though, is that he doesn't even attempt to hide his grasping, self-serving, mercenary avarice.

[Jay Bee]

Who actually pays for those things? The NCAA decreed players cannot have cream cheese with their pre-game bagels as that would constitute improper compensation. How then does jewelry fit into that oversight construct? The inconsistency of the NCAA is mind boggling and borders on the lunatic.

The old bagel spread thing was an interpretation based on a rule that said kids could be provided with fruit, nuts and bagels at any time. Bizarre, but I'm not sure it was really an "excess compensation" concern.

There are separate rules for "awards".  Depending on the type of award it can be given to a student-athlete (SA) by an institution, a conference or the NCAA.

In the case of MU's rings, I believe* the max value for awards they gave out this week was $375 per SA. You can give out awards for winning a conference championship (value max of $325), but those schools participating in the NCAA tourney had a $375 max.

It appears the rings doubled as Big East champs / Elite Eight rings... my understanding is that you cannot combine values (i.e., $325 + $375 = $700)... so I would think the rings were $375 or less and paid for by MU.

[keefe]

The old bagel spread thing was an interpretation based on a rule that said kids could be provided with fruit, nuts and bagels at any time. Bizarre, but I'm not sure it was really an "excess compensation" concern.

There are separate rules for "awards".  Depending on the type of award it can be given to a student-athlete (SA) by an institution, a conference or the NCAA.

In the case of MU's rings, I believe* the max value for awards they gave out this week was $375 per SA. You can give out awards for winning a conference championship (value max of $325), but those schools participating in the NCAA tourney had a $375 max.

It appears the rings doubled as Big East champs / Elite Eight rings... my understanding is that you cannot combine values (i.e., $325 + $375 = $700)... so I would think the rings were $375 or less and paid for by MU.

Thanks for the insight. I read recently that the Super Bowl ring Putin pinched from Robt Kraft was worth more than $20M. Given the price of gold these days the $375 ceiling means diamond chips, glass, and gold plate for student athletes. Still, quite an heirloom for the lads.

[Skitch]

Thanks for the insight. I read recently that the Super Bowl ring Putin pinched from Robt Kraft was worth more than $20M. Given the price of gold these days the $375 ceiling means diamond chips, glass, and gold plate for student athletes. Still, quite an heirloom for the lads.

Everything I have seen says that Kraft's ring was worth about $25,000

[keefe]

Everything I have seen says that Kraft's ring was worth about $25,000

$20M = $20,000

It's a finance convention

[Skitch]

$20M = $20,000

It's a finance convention

Gotcha. I was trying to figure out what would be in that ring to make it worth $20 mil.

[Sunbelt15]

Those rings are going to spark a lot of conversation for those guys because they are very noticeable. That blue and yellow screams, "I'm a Big Dog, come find out why"!

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Oh good, Chico's managed to turn this into a Crean thread.

Pathological

[martyconlonontherun]

I don't think anybody begrudges the kids getting rings. My only beef with the rings is that they are garish to the point that even Imelda Marcos would blush. But Crean's celebration was over the top and, not surprisingly, turned into a Tom Crean I-love-me fest. It is never about anyone but him. Unless it involves the Harbaughs which then unleashes all manner of inadequacies and bizarre humility that turn the moment into an exercise in shameless pandering.
The Air Force officer is taught that leadership asks the question, "How can I help these men?" The Bronzed Beast always asks, "How can these men help me?" What is shocking, though, is that he doesn't even attempt to hide his grasping, self-serving, mercenary avarice.

Kind of funny from the guy who brings up his accomplishments/life path in every post. We get it, you were in the Air Force and have a HBS ring.


As for the rings, I don't think a Sweet 16 team should get one, but the players love them and deserve a piece to keep for the ages.

They may be gaudy but I think they are actually pretty clean in style and well designed. They serve a very different purpose than something like a HBS ring. A HBS ring is usually worn by alumni trying to show they are in the club at professional events. These rings are meant to be put on display and not really worn. If they are worn, it is usually at an alumni event and its not like you don't see obnoxious 50-year-olds in blue/gold striped pants.

[martyconlonontherun]

Those rings are going to spark a lot of conversation for those guys because they are very noticeable. That blue and yellow screams, "I'm a Big Dog, come find out why"!

Are you talking about in the streets or on the court? I doubt they will be wearing them on the streets and most top teams have equally gaudy rings. Even 80% of MU fans won't know these rings exist.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Oh good, Chico's managed to turn this into a Crean thread.

Pathological

I'll take you seriously when you equally respond to other threads people start here with that exact intent...until then, you are a pathological hypocrite.   

[ChicosBailBonds]

You are infamous for digging up old threads. I'd like to see the threads about rings. Personally, I have zero problem with them. Something for these kids to cherish and brag about when they're old and gray. The newly constructed display case, however, was atrocious. Do they get another this year?

Here are some, you show me where display case came up   


http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=34193.msg417666#msg417666


http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=34173.0


There are others, you get the idea

Maybe you can start another thread about who is wearing Isaiah Thomas' number

[keefe]

They may be gaudy but I think they are actually pretty clean in style and well designed. They serve a very different purpose than something like a HBS ring. A HBS ring is usually worn by alumni trying to show they are in the club at professional events. These rings are meant to be put on display and not really worn. If they are worn, it is usually at an alumni event and its not like you don't see obnoxious 50-year-olds in blue/gold striped pants.

Is that right? Is that why HBS grads wear signet rings?? Thanks for clarifying that for me. By the way, what are these "professional events?" I wouldn't want to wear in an inappropriate situation or, heaven forbid, be underdressed or "out of uniform" at a "professional event."

[martyconlonontherun]

Is that right? Is that why HBS grads wear signet rings?? Thanks for clarifying that for me. By the way, what are these "professional events?" I wouldn't want to wear in an inappropriate situation or, heaven forbid, be underdressed or "out of uniform" at a "professional event."

All I'm saying is there is a difference between a ring from a business school and a sporting event. You made the comment of the HBS ring and comparing the two. I'm saying that's obviously a bad comparison. You either thought it was a good comparison or you brought up a HBS ring for absolutely no reason.

[Sunbelt15]

Are you talking about in the streets or on the court? I doubt they will be wearing them on the streets and most top teams have equally gaudy rings. Even 80% of MU fans won't know these rings exist.

They'll wear them cause they're young and it's bling!

[ChicosBailBonds]

Speaking of rings, I mentioned here a month or so ago that I have an intern working for me from Notre Dame.  Sure enough, class ring.  Made me chuckle.  Great kid, very smart. 

[real chili 83]

Speaking of rings, I mentioned here a month or so ago that I have an intern working for me from Notre Dame.  Sure enough, class ring.  Made me chuckle.  Great kid, very smart. 

Does he pick his nose?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Does he pick his nose?

I haven't caught him doing that yet, or brushing his hand through his hair.  Seriously, really good kid and smart as they come.  He'll do well...chemical engineering major with a marketing minor. 

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I haven't caught him doing that yet, or brushing his hand through his hair.  Seriously, really good kid and smart as they come.  He'll do well...chemical engineering major with a marketing minor. 

Is he approaching 15,000 posts (under one name) on the ND sites?

[forgetful]

I haven't caught him doing that yet, or brushing his hand through his hair.  Seriously, really good kid and smart as they come.  He'll do well...chemical engineering major with a marketing minor. 

Color me a bit confused why a smart chemical engineering major is working at direct tv.  Last I checked they are not that involved in industrial scale chemical production.

[keefe]

Color me a bit confused why a smart chemical engineering major is working at direct tv.  Last I checked they are not that involved in industrial scale chemical production.

When The Bail Bondsman calls to talk Summer Internship you listen

[4everwarriors]

Thanks for the insight. I read recently that the Super Bowl ring Putin pinched from Robt Kraft was worth more than $20M. Given the price of gold these days the $375 ceiling means diamond chips, glass, and gold plate for student athletes. Still, quite an heirloom for the lads.

Bet the ring turns their finger green, hey?

[ChicosBailBonds]