How Did IU Not Win The Championship

[4everwarriors]

Two of the first 4 picks, wow.

[tower912]

Ran up against a zone.   

[keefe]

The problem is, of course, that the sanguine will see tonight's draft as some form of perverse validation of the quality of mentorship resident in Bloomington. Hopefully, continued underperformance between the white lines will enable the palpable to become more evident to the deceived.

[MU82]

The problem is, of course, that the sanguine will see tonight's draft as some form of perverse validation of the quality of mentorship resident in Bloomington. Hopefully, continued underperformance between the white lines will enable the palpable to become more evident to the deceived.

One could argue it's the exact opposite. Crean had two of the four best players in college basketball, as judged by NBA scouts, and yet couldn't get to the Final Four. It's like when Lou Piniella had Griffey, A-Rod, Big Unit, Edgar and Buhner, won 116 regular-season games and STILL couldn't win the pennant.

On ESPN, Battier tried really hard to get Oladipo to give Crean mucho credit, but Oladipo, after a quick word of praise, immediately turned the subject to his AAU and high school coaches. Interesting.

[ChicosBailBonds]

How did the Miami Heat need a fluke rebound and 3 point shot with 5 seconds left just to win game 6 and force a game 7 when they have the best player in the world? Plus Ray Allen.  Plus Dwyane Wade?  Plus Chris Bosh...they had 3 of the top 5 players drafted in the 2003 draft on the same team.  How did they need 7 games and that miracle to win?  Let alone need 7 games the series before to beat Indiana?

LOL

Pretty simple gents, one game crapshoot anything can happen.  Last I checked it took 12 players, and 5 on a court at one time, not two players and youngsters for most of the depth.  IU ran against a zone, and lost...we ran into the same zone after playing it year after year after year and scored 39 points despite all the practice we've had against it.  College basketball, that's what makes it great. 

Crazy what can happen in one game. 

5 years ago, IU had one player on the team that had played a total of 19 minutes.  5 years later, two kids drafted in the top 5, a bunch of guys on Academic All Big Ten, players graduating, Big Ten title....I'd say he's more than turned things around.  Haters keep on hating.  I heard Crean was fired last year. 

[forgetful]

How did the Miami Heat need a fluke rebound and 3 point shot with 5 seconds left just to win game 6 and force a game 7 when they have the best player in the world? Plus Ray Allen.  Plus Dwyane Wade?  Plus Chris Bosh...they had 3 of the top 5 players drafted in the 2003 draft on the same team.  How did they need 7 games and that miracle to win?  Let alone need 7 games the series before to beat Indiana?

LOL

Pretty simple gents, one game crapshoot anything can happen.  Last I checked it took 12 players, and 5 on a court at one time, not two players and youngsters for most of the depth.  IU ran against a zone, and lost...we ran into the same zone after playing it year after year after year and scored 39 points despite all the practice we've had against it.  College basketball, that's what makes it great. 

Crazy what can happen in one game. 

5 years ago, IU had one player on the team that had played a total of 19 minutes.  5 years later, two kids drafted in the top 5, a bunch of guys on Academic All Big Ten, players graduating, Big Ten title....I'd say he's more than turned things around.  Haters keep on hating.  I heard Crean was fired last year. 

Easy, everyone knows the NBA is rigged and they needed the drama and a game 7.

[ChicosBailBonds]

How did the Houston Texans not win or even make the Super Bowl with the most pro bowlers of any AFC team....must have been Crean coaching the Texans.

How did the 49ers not win the Super Bowl with the most pro bowlers of any NFC team...must have been Crean coaching San Francisco....Harbaugh's brother CREAN!!

How did Kentucky, with 2 first rounders tonight not even make the NCAA tournament.....CREAN!

How did the Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox and Angels not win the World Series last year...three of those teams didn't even make the baseball playoffs despite having the top 4 payrolls?  CREAN!!!

How does the USA with the best military in the world lose to a third world country in a war like Vietnam?  CREAN

And on and on.  It's funny, and so predictable....told my IU next door neighbor this would be the verbiage of the hate crowd.  You can write this stuff years in advance.  If they lose, Crean.  If they win, players did it.  Pretty simple formula. 

[keefe]

How does the USA with the best military in the world lose to a third world country in a war like Vietnam?  CREAN

We did not lose. We were not allowed to win. And Jane Fonda.

[mugrad99]

How did the Miami Heat need a fluke rebound and 3 point shot with 5 seconds left just to win game 6 and force a game 7 when they have the best player in the world? Plus Ray Allen.  Plus Dwyane Wade?  Plus Chris Bosh...they had 3 of the top 5 players drafted in the 2003 draft on the same team.  How did they need 7 games and that miracle to win?  Let alone need 7 games the series before to beat Indiana?

LOL

Simple, Miami was outcoached by San Antonio. See how that works 

[mugrad99]

And on and on.  It's funny, and so predictable....told my IU next door neighbor this would be the verbiage of the hate crowd.  You can write this stuff years in advance.  If they lose, Crean.  If they win, players did it.  Pretty simple formula. 

Directly from Crean's mouth...they lost because of Cody Zeller. Cody was told to shoot the free throw line jumper against Syracuse whenever he received that pass... but he was too hesitant. This was said to a number of people on the private flight from Indiana to Omaha last week. Crean, Glass, and a number of big donors were on the flight. Crean could not stop yapping about it.

[4everwarriors]

Crean sucks.

[hairy worthen]

How did the Houston Texans not win or even make the Super Bowl with the most pro bowlers of any AFC team....must have been Crean coaching the Texans.

How did the 49ers not win the Super Bowl with the most pro bowlers of any NFC team...must have been Crean coaching San Francisco....Harbaugh's brother CREAN!!

How did Kentucky, with 2 first rounders tonight not even make the NCAA tournament.....CREAN!

How did the Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox and Angels not win the World Series last year...three of those teams didn't even make the baseball playoffs despite having the top 4 payrolls?  CREAN!!!

How does the USA with the best military in the world lose to a third world country in a war like Vietnam?  CREAN

Hey, you are finally catching on. You forgot global warming, hurricanes, big oil, and terrorist attacks,  all the fault of Crean.

[Lennys Tap]

We did not lose. We were not allowed to win. And Jane Fonda.

We did not lose a single battle yet still lost the war. I'm with you on this, Keefe.

[ChicosBailBonds]

[Lennys Tap]

Directly from Crean's mouth...they lost because of Cody Zeller. Cody was told to shoot the free throw line jumper against Syracuse whenever he received that pass... but he was too hesitant. This was said to a number of people on the private flight from Indiana to Omaha last week. Crean, Glass, and a number of big donors were on the flight. Crean could not stop yapping about it.

But Cody is an academic AA. How was he unable to understand his coach's simple instructions? LOL. Their will be only a few people on this board surprised to hear that TC threw one of his guys under the bus to explain a loss in which his players looked totally confused and I'll prepared. That's who he is.

[Golden Avalanche]

Directly from Crean's mouth...they lost because of Cody Zeller. Cody was told to shoot the free throw line jumper against Syracuse whenever he received that pass... but he was too hesitant. This was said to a number of people on the private flight from Indiana to Omaha last week. Crean, Glass, and a number of big donors were on the flight. Crean could not stop yapping about it.

The typical people will jump all over this but.......Crean's right. That's why you play a stretch 5 against Cuse. No shock our Cookie Monster looked his best against the Orange. Zeller was in position during that game time and time again. That written, people seem to forget that Jimmy had his professionals playing their best basketball of the season against Indiana which continued into their decimation of Marquette. In a one game playoff tournament, that equals failure.

[ChicosBailBonds]

But Cody is an academic AA. How was he unable to understand his coach's simple instructions? LOL. Their will be only a few people on this board surprised to hear that TC threw one of his guys under the bus to explain a loss in which his players looked totally confused and I'll prepared. That's who he is.

Crean threw a player under the buss in a private conversation.  Classic.  I wonder if Buzz has ever said anything in private to someone about a player that was equally and brutally honest, but hasn't come to light yet.

You're kidding if you don't think that is the case.  That's what private conversations are....private.  You don't thrown anyone under the buss in private, the defies the definition of it.

Crean is exactly right and Zeller admitted as much last month when talking about the game plan and how HE didn't execute it properly.

Crean's team won the Big Ten title, that's what you do over the longhaul with a very good team and a couple of studs, because an off night is equaled out by the many good nights....all teams have them.  In a one game scenario, anything can happen.  

And yes, GoldenAvalanche, the "typical people" do jump all over this because that's what they do.  The same "typical people" that to this day still haven't acknowledged getting to the Final Four, only the Final Four loss.  It's amazing.

[Lennys Tap]

How did the Houston Texans not win or even make the Super Bowl with the most pro bowlers of any AFC team....must have been Crean coaching the Texans.

How did the 49ers not win the Super Bowl with the most pro bowlers of any NFC team...must have been Crean coaching San Francisco....Harbaugh's brother CREAN!!

How did Kentucky, with 2 first rounders tonight not even make the NCAA tournament.....CREAN!

How did the Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox and Angels not win the World Series last year...three of those teams didn't even make the baseball playoffs despite having the top 4 payrolls?  CREAN!!!

How does the USA with the best military in the world lose to a third world country in a war like Vietnam?  CREAN

Come up with all the bad analogies and apples to pomegranates comparisons you want, here are the FACTS. Nine (9) teams before the Hoosiers had 2 players go in the top 5 of the NBA draft. Every single one of them made it to the Elite 8 and 7 of the 9 made the final four.

So, continue with the crapshoot BS but pardon the rest of us for calling it what it was - failure - unprecedented and epic.

[ChicosBailBonds]

A couple of things.

If someone here posted Buzz said something in private on a plane people here would demand a link or proof.  People would go ape crap crazy if that was posted.  Maybe such a conversation happened where a MU booster asked Buzz what the 39 point game plan was...who knows.

Context is also important.  Did someone ask what the game plan was against Syracuse and he said if was to have Cody pop from the stripe, penetrate and kick, etc, but Cody didn't take the opportunities?  Who knows, but easy enough to find out. I reached out to Fred this morning since supposedly he was on the plane. I'm curious to his reaction to what was said, how it was said and perhaps he may want to have a chat with those who were on the plane. 

So we'll see what Fred has to say.  Always found him to be a standup person.

[swoopem]

Chicos I guess you didn't see this so here it is again

Come up with all the bad analogies and apples to pomegranates comparisons you want, here are the FACTS. Nine (9) teams before the Hoosiers had 2 players go in the top 5 of the NBA draft. Every single one of them made it to the Elite 8 and 7 of the 9 made the final four.

So, continue with the crapshoot BS but pardon the rest of us for calling it what it was - failure - unprecedented and epic.

[Lennys Tap]

A couple of things.

If someone here posted Buzz said something in private on a plane people here would demand a link or proof.  People would go ape crap crazy if that was posted.  Maybe such a conversation happened where a MU booster asked Buzz what the 39 point game plan was...who knows.

Context is also important.  Did someone ask what the game plan was against Syracuse and he said if was to have Cody pop from the stripe, penetrate and kick, etc, but Cody didn't take the opportunities?  Who knows, but easy enough to find out. I reached out to Fred this morning since supposedly he was on the plane. I'm curious to his reaction to what was said, how it was said and perhaps he may want to have a chat with those who were on the plane. 

So we'll see what Fred has to say.  Always found him to be a standup person.

Sorry, Chicos. I've seen TC do this in public before. "Our plan was perfect but the players didn't execute" is an oft heard mantra.

[Pakuni]

How did it take you all of two minutes after Zeller was drafted to start this thread?
You're clearly off your game.

[mugrad99]

The two donors who told me in separate conversations know my feelings about Crean (I actually like the guy when I have met him). Both were pretty peeved at Crean's continually harping on this point that he had the gameplan to beat Syracuse, just Cody did not do what he was told to do.  How about just saying we got beat by a better team on that day (their words, not mine).

What sucks is because of that loss, IU lost the CapitalOne Cup.

[Lennys Tap]

How did it take you all of two minutes after Zeller was drafted to start this thread?
You're clearly off your game.

Are you suggesting that 4ever has lost a step? Blasphemy!

[keefe]

Come up with all the bad analogies and apples to pomegranates comparisons you want, here are the FACTS. Nine (9) teams before the Hoosiers had 2 players go in the top 5 of the NBA draft. Every single one of them made it to the Elite 8 and 7 of the 9 made the final four.

So, continue with the crapshoot BS but pardon the rest of us for calling it what it was - failure - unprecedented and epic.

Lenny

You forgot shameful, loathsome, and despicable.