New Conference so far not good for recruiting

[ATL MU Warrior]

21 of the top 50 (using ESPN's list) have made commitments.  Only 1 to the new Big East (#47 Issac Copeland)

Of the teams you called out:
--UL landed ESPN #22 JaQuan Lyle, #28 Quentin Snyder and #53 Shaqquan Aaron
--SU landed ESPN #7 Chris McCullough
--UConn (not going to the ACC) has landed ESPN #17 Daniel Hamilton.
--Pitt has no ESPN top 100 recruits yet. 

As an aside, the team that seems to be leveraging its new conference situation is Maryland.  They have top top 50 2014 commits.

I think the real question is how does this compare to previous years?

[Silkk the Shaka]

21 of the top 50 (using ESPN's list) have made commitments.  Only 1 to the new Big East (#47 Issac Copeland)
Of the teams you called out:
--UL landed ESPN #22 JaQuan Lyle, #28 Quentin Snyder and #53 Shaqquan Aaron
--SU landed ESPN #7 Chris McCullough
--UConn (not going to the ACC) has landed ESPN #17 Daniel Hamilton.
--Pitt has no ESPN top 100 recruits yet. 

As an aside, the team that seems to be leveraging its new conference situation is Maryland.  They have top top 50 2014 commits.

Why cut it off at top 50?  Did it not fit your argument using top 100?

[Pakuni]

Why cut it off at top 50?  Did it not fit your argument using top 100?

Seven players among those ranked 51-100 on ESPN have committed, two of them to Big East programs (one to Villanova, one to Xavier).
That's obviously not including Malek Harris, who's expected to be in the top 100 in the final rankings (and already is top 100 in Scout and will be soon in Rivals).

FWIW, 33 of Scout's top 100 have committed, four of them to Big East schools. for comparison's sake, the Big ? has seven commitments, six of them to either Maryland or Ohio State.  The Pac 12 has four. The Big 12 has none. The SEC has three. The AAC has one.

td;lr: No reason to panic over Big East recruiting. Already landed as many or more Scout top 100 players than the Pac 12, Big 12, SEC and AAC.

[tower912]

Don't interrupt 84's narrative like that. 

[The Equalizer]

Why cut it off at top 50?  Did it not fit your argument using top 100?

I think we've seen enough evidence that the type of players that excel come from the top 50.

Vander Blue, Jamil Wilson, Junior Cadougan were top 50
Juan Anderson, Jamail Jones, Erik Williams were 50-100

If the goal is to feel good about quantity, use top 100.
If the goal is to compare quality, top 50 is a better measure in my opinion.

[The Equalizer]

Don't interrupt 84's narrative like that. 

I'd love to hear your case that you seen no qualitative or performance difference between recruits ranked 1 to 50 and those ranked 51 to 100. 

[Silkk the Shaka]

I think we've seen enough evidence that the type of players that excel come from the top 50.

Vander Blue, Jamil Wilson, Junior Cadougan were top 50
Juan Anderson, Jamail Jones, Erik Williams were 50-100

If the goal is to feel good about quantity, use top 100.
If the goal is to compare quality, top 50 is a better measure in my opinion.

Steve Taylor was in the 80's brah.

[Pakuni]

I think we've seen enough evidence that the type of players that excel come from the top 50.

Vander Blue, Jamil Wilson, Junior Cadougan were top 50
Juan Anderson, Jamail Jones, Erik Williams were 50-100

If the goal is to feel good about quantity, use top 100.
If the goal is to compare quality, top 50 is a better measure in my opinion.

Could you at least pretend to be objective?

Cameron Clark, Trey Zeigler and Mychal Parker were top 50 in 2010.
Allen Crabbe, CJ Fair and Tim Hardway Jr. were top 51-100.

See ... Marquette should only recruit players outside the top 50. Three players proves it.

[bilsu]

So getting back to the topic of the thread.  We have gotten 2 commits since the announcement of the new conference.  One a top 75 SF/PF, the other a top 60 PG/2G.  We're 2/2.  No evidence whatsoever that the conference is hurting recruiting, except the evidence that exists in badger fans' fantasies.

I think there is plenty of evidence that there may be an effect. Last year, if you include McKay, we signed 4 players ranked higher than these two commits. Furthermore, if you look at who the top 50 recruits have listed as considering on Scout practically no one ( White) are listed as considering MU. Now this does not mean it is the new conference, but it is interesting. On the flip side UW is included on two top 10 player's lists and White's, but is not listed by anyone else so the Big 10 conference is not getting players to beat down UW's door either.

[Galway Eagle]

I think we've seen enough evidence that the type of players that excel come from the top 50.

Vander Blue, Jamil Wilson, Junior Cadougan were top 50
Juan Anderson, Jamail Jones, Erik Williams were 50-100

If the goal is to feel good about quantity, use top 100.
If the goal is to compare quality, top 50 is a better measure in my opinion.

Steve Taylor, jerel McNeal, Wesley Mathews.  I understand your frustrations with the lower four stars (that's why I don't always trust the rankings) but don't forget that Erik Williams and Juan Anderson both had injuries that significantly hampered their development

[Lennys Tap]

I think there is plenty of evidence that there may be an effect. Last year, if you include McKay, we signed 4 players ranked higher than these two commits. Furthermore, if you look at who the top 50 recruits have listed as considering on Scout practically no one ( White) are listed as considering MU. Now this does not mean it is the new conference, but it is interesting. On the flip side UW is included on two top 10 player's lists and White's, but is not listed by anyone else so the Big 10 conference is not getting players to beat down UW's door either.

Last year we got a top 30-60 guy at every position except center. It's normal to have a drop off from that type of class as playing time won't be all that readily available. That we've already gotten a verbal from a top 75 and rising recruit and seem poised to land another top 100 guy (Cohen) is bullish to me. Post Al pre Buzz the best we could hope for were feast/famine recruiting cycles. No more.

[tower912]

I think we've seen enough evidence that the type of players that excel come from the top 50.

Vander Blue, Jamil Wilson, Junior Cadougan were top 50
Juan Anderson, Jamail Jones, Erik Williams were 50-100

If the goal is to feel good about quantity, use top 100.
If the goal is to compare quality, top 50 is a better measure in my opinion.

Jae Crowder, Jimmy Butler, Lazar Hayward, Davante Gardner, Dwyane Wade feel that life outside the top 50 isn't too bad.  But go on with your narrative. 

[bilsu]

Last year we got a top 30-60 guy at every position except center. It's normal to have a drop off from that type of class as playing time won't be all that readily available. That we've already gotten a verbal from a top 75 and rising recruit and seem poised to land another top 100 guy (Cohen) is bullish to me. Post Al pre Buzz the best we could hope for were feast/famine recruiting cycles. No more.

I think it is normal that there is a drop off in commitments after a good recruiting year, but is it normal to have no players considering you?

[Silkk the Shaka]

I think it is normal that there is a drop off in commitments after a good recruiting year, but is it normal to have no players considering you?

What are you talking about?  #72 Harris (committed), #90 Cohen (halfway in the bag), #32 Okonoboh considering us, #60 Ahmed Hill considering us, among others.  Not sure where this is going

[martyconlonontherun]

What are you talking about?  #72 Harris (committed), #90 Cohen (halfway in the bag), #32 Okonoboh considering us, #60 Ahmed Hill considering us, among others.  Not sure where this is going

Granted not a great year by any means, but if we constantly get 60, 72, 90 and big around 110 I'll be pretty damn happy.

I mean how many players on our team in two years will not be top 100 players?

[Silkk the Shaka]

Granted not a great year by any means, but if we constantly get 60, 72, 90 and big around 110 I'll be pretty damn happy.

I mean how many players on our team in two years will not be top 100 players?

Three years ago we would be ecstatic with a class like that, and now some are saying (not you) that it's not good enough to get a class like that IMMEDIATELY following our best class (on paper) in 30+ years?  This is maddening.

[willie warrior]

Three years ago we would be ecstatic with a class like that, and now some are saying (not you) that it's not good enough to get a class like that IMMEDIATELY following our best class (on paper) in 30+ years?  This is maddening.

Not besmirching this class, it is damn fine, but what about the class that included Key, Logterman, and McIlvane. It was pretty good. Or was that 30 years ago. Time does go by fast when you are having so much fun. And then there was the class of the three musketeers.

[willie warrior]

It is too early to say this new conference could be hurting recruiting. Better to wait a couple years.

[martyconlonontherun]

Not besmirching this class, it is damn fine, but what about the class that included Key, Logterman, and McIlvane. It was pretty good. Or was that 30 years ago. Time does go by fast when you are having so much fun. And then there was the class of the three musketeers.

That's an interesting convo. The first trio was before my time, but I think this class compares favorably against the other 3 amigos. I only say that as recruits and ranking. The 3 amigos production will be a different story and very hard to match, especially without the time available right away.

[MU82]

However, I would still be very disappointed if we failed to land either Looney (already lost him) or Stone (if KW's sources are correct,   ). Buzz has done a great job turning unheralded guys into stars, and we have seen plenty of success the past few years, but getting a 5 star top 10 player such as Looney or Stone would likely push us over the top and into Final Four territory.

I wonder how many fans of however many programs over the years have said: "If only we can land so-and-so, we'll go to the Final Four." Too bad they only let four teams go to the Final Four every year!

[wadesworld]

It is too early to say this new conference could be hurting recruiting. Better to wait a couple years.

You gotta wait 5 years bro.

[Aughnanure]

Seven players among those ranked 51-100 on ESPN have committed, two of them to Big East programs (one to Villanova, one to Xavier).
That's obviously not including Malek Harris, who's expected to be in the top 100 in the final rankings (and already is top 100 in Scout and will be soon in Rivals).

FWIW, 33 of Scout's top 100 have committed, four of them to Big East schools. for comparison's sake, the Big ? has seven commitments, six of them to either Maryland or Ohio State.  The Pac 12 has three. The Big 12 has one (#100 to Colorado). The SEC has three. The AAC has one.

td;lr: No reason to panic over Big East recruiting. Already landed more Scout top 100 players than the Pac 12, Big 12 and SEC.

Colorado is in the Pac-12.

Also, all of these conferences (cept the Big XII) have more teams in them than the Big East. Some by as much as 40% more.

[Pakuni]

Colorado is in the Pac-12.

Also, all of these conferences (cept the Big XII) have more teams in them than the Big East. Some by as much as 40% more.

D'oh.
Edited.

[Silkk the Shaka]

SEC except for Kentucky, Florida, and 1 other rotating, and Pac 12 have sucked the past few years.  It would be no shock to me if the new Big East is as good as those two or better right off the bat.  Big 12 after KU is usually nothing great either.  Since we'll basically be the UK/FL, KU, or UCLA of the NBE (along with Georgetown) for the foreseeable future, our recruiting will not be hurt one iota.  May even be helped.

[MU82]

SEC except for Kentucky, Florida, and 1 other rotating, and Pac 12 have sucked the past few years.  It would be no shock to me if the new Big East is as good as those two or better right off the bat.  Big 12 after KU is usually nothing great either.  Since we'll basically be the UK/FL, KU, or UCLA of the NBE (along with Georgetown) for the foreseeable future, our recruiting will not be hurt one iota.  May even be helped.

Kansas State is almost always very good at hoops. Iowa State and West Virginia have had plenty of outstanding seasons. Texas made the tourney 14 straight years (and 17 of 18) before struggling last season. Oklahoma State, Oklahoma and Baylor all have had very nice stretches. Losing Mizzou and a down year in 2012-13 makes them look worse than they really are as a basketball league.