Bulls shopping Deng/clearing spot for Jimmy?

[Pakuni]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/24/report-luol-deng-to-the-wizards-for-the-no-3-pick-discussed/

If true, I'd imagine the Bulls would target Ben McLemore and slide Jimmy to the three spot.

[🏀]

Ben McLemore....



If he's still there of course.

[MerrittsMustache]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/24/report-luol-deng-to-the-wizards-for-the-no-3-pick-discussed/

If true, I'd imagine the Bulls would target Ben McLemore and slide Jimmy to the three spot.

If McLemore is gone. Otto Porter would be a cheaper, Deng-like player.

[Pakuni]

If McLemore is gone. Otto Porter would be a cheaper, Deng-like player.

I think the Bulls already see Jimmy as a cheaper Deng-like player.
What they really need is a shooter who's athletic enough to stay on the court and guard NBA twos, i.e. not Marco Belinelli or Kyle Korver. McLemore could be that guy.

[MerrittsMustache]

I think the Bulls already see Jimmy as a cheaper Deng-like player.
What they really need is a shooter who's athletic enough to stay on the court and guard NBA twos, i.e. not Marco Belinelli or Kyle Korver. McLemore could be that guy.

Yes, but McLemore isn't going to be there at #3. Porter can shoot and defend and will be there at #3.

[nyg]

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/06/luol-deng-to-wizards-trade-explored-reports-say-90521.html

Another article, this one from DC.  Wizards have some options here, either get Deng or take Porter.  I'd stick and take the younger Porter. 

[Brewtown Andy]

David Aldridge is shooting this one down.

https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/349243224042385409

[Aughnanure]

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/06/luol-deng-to-wizards-trade-explored-reports-say-90521.html

Another article, this one from DC.  Wizards have some options here, either get Deng or take Porter.  I'd stick and take the younger Porter. 

Yeah, doesn't make sense. Why would you give up the #3 pick for Deng?

[Pakuni]

Yeah, doesn't make sense. Why would you give up the #3 pick for Deng?

Well, he's an all-star who plays great defense and is still 28 years old (younger than LeBron or  Carmelo Anthony).
And, if you're the Wizards, you're a very young team with no semblance of leadership that has a fan base desperate for some reason to be optimistic about at least contending for the playoffs. Oh, and your starting 3 last year was Martell Webster.
And, finally, a #3 pick is hardly a sure thing (see: Enes Kantor, Derrick Favors, OJ Mayo, Adam Morrison, Mike Dunleavy, Darius Miles).
Obviously there have been some real good #3s also (Melo, Deron Williams, Al Horford) but overall more misses than hits.

[Aughnanure]

Well, he's an all-star who plays great defense and is still 28 years old (younger than LeBron or  Carmelo Anthony).
And, if you're the Wizards, you're a very young team with no semblance of leadership that has a fan base desperate for some reason to be optimistic about at least contending for the playoffs. Oh, and you're starting 3 last year was Martell Webster.
And, finally, a #3 pick is hardly a sure thing (see: Enes Kantor, Derrick Favors, OJ Mayo, Adam Morrison, Mike Dunleavy, Darius Miles).
Obviously there have been some real good #3s also (Melo, Deron Williams, Al Horford) but overall more misses than hits.

Then why are the Bull trying to get rid of him?

I mean's he's a fine player but it would be a miscalculation to stop the youth movement in DC. You're not beating the Heat, Pacers, or Bulls anytime soon and Porter brings an already local fan favorite to the team. Is simply contending for the playoffs the goal now?

[swoopem]

He's a free agent at the end of next year so if they trade him now they can at least get something back rather than letting him walk. Also as the title of the thread suggests this move would allow Jimmy to take over that roll full time.

[Pakuni]

He's a free agent at the end of next year so if they trade him now they can at least get something back rather than letting him walk. Also as the title of the thread suggests this move would allow Jimmy to take over that roll full time.

Yes. It's almost a sure thing that the Bulls, for salary cap and roster reasons, will let Deng walk after the upcoming season unless he agrees to a massive hometown discount.
That being the case, why wouldn't the Bulls consider moving him for a relatively inexpensive asset now instead of letting him go for nothing next summer.

[setyoursightsnorth]

I've heard rumors of the Bulls packaging Jimmy, the Charlotte first round pick in the future, and our sharpshooter in Europe (Nikola Mirotic) in a trade for Kevin Love. We'll have plenty of cap room (Deng might be gone, Boozer's huge contract will be a gone). But we'll see what happens. I love Jimmy, but I think he is a huge trading chip now because of his fantastic season. Very interesting situation he's in.

[Pakuni]

Then why are the Bull trying to get rid of him?

I mean's he's a fine player but it would be a miscalculation to stop the youth movement in DC. You're not beating the Heat, Pacers, or Bulls anytime soon and Porter brings an already local fan favorite to the team. Is simply contending for the playoffs the goal now?

Beyond the salary cap issues mentioned below, Otto Porter is as likely to be another Josh Childress or Jared Jeffries as he is another Lu Deng.
Fans tend to overvalue draft picks and undervalue proven players. You're just as likely (maybe more likely) to miss with a top 5 pick than hit.

[Pakuni]

I've heard rumors of the Bulls packaging Jimmy, the Charlotte first round pick in the future, and our sharpshooter in Europe (Nikola Mirotic) in a trade for Kevin Love. We'll have plenty of cap room (Deng might be gone, Boozer's huge contract will be a gone). But we'll see what happens. I love Jimmy, but I think he is a huge trading chip now because of his fantastic season. Very interesting situation he's in.

I'd be stunned if the Bulls give up that much for an injury-prone player who's a free agent in two seasons.

[Lennys Tap]

Fans tend to overvalue draft picks and undervalue proven players. You're just as likely (maybe more likely) to miss with a top 5 pick than hit.

So true. Same is true about the incoming players versus the returnees in college. The unknown is generally overvalued - the triumph of hope over reality.

[LAZER]

*If* this report is true, I'm wondering if the Bulls are interested in Oladipo as well.  Most mocks I've seen are split with Oladipo and McLemore in the 2 and 5 spots.

[icheights]

IMO Deng is not a $14 million dollar player. 

[nyg]

*If* this report is true, I'm wondering if the Bulls are interested in Oladipo as well.  Most mocks I've seen are split with Oladipo and McLemore in the 2 and 5 spots.

Some mocks have changed in past two days, including the ESPN NBA guys.  Noel is falling look a rock right now, with Alex Len from Maryland moving up to #1.  Should be interesting.

[jesmu84]

IMO Deng is not a $14 million dollar player. 

Ironically, that trade also involved Chicago taking Emeka Okafor who is due $14.5 million next season

[Sunbelt15]

It's sad when you lose your spot by getting hurt.

[buckchuckler]

It's sad when you lose your spot by getting hurt.

Who lost their spot to injury here?  Also that isn't always true.  It is much better for baseball that Gehrig got his job.  Same for football with Tom Brady.  It is worse when tenure keeps a better player on the bench. 

[Silkk the Shaka]

Ironically, that trade also involved Chicago taking Emeka Okafor who is due $14.5 million next season

Expiring contract yo.  Some valuable ish right there.

[g0lden3agle]

Who lost their spot to injury here?  Also that isn't always true.  It is much better for baseball that Gehrig got his job.  Same for football with Tom Brady.  It is worse when tenure keeps a better player on the bench. 

While those examples were great for their respective teams/sports, I'm pretty sure Sunbelt was referring to being the one losing the job, not the team/sport itself.

[GGGG]

It's sad when you lose your spot by getting hurt.

If you are referring to Noel, he was an early entrant.  He didn't have to be.

And if he was on top of the mock drafts before...and is falling now...I am not sure the injury is the reason.