Jesuits and Warriors as part of their tradition

[ChicosBailBonds]

I was struck in the other thread about Jesuits and Warriors.  http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=38803.msg495588#msg495588   Hards had stated "To build on that, I think they would probably shy away from anything with the word "War" in it.  Personally, I love the name Warriors, but I am surprised that a Jesuit University even considered "Warrior" as a nickname because all Jesus preached was peace."

I did this video back in 2005 during the debate, so it's old and cheesy 8 years later, but the point was that Jesuits and Warriors have a long history. The video went a bit viral back then, this was before YouTube and such but it was linked in a number of areas and the Journal Sentinel linked it on their site.

Saint Ignatius Loyola was actually labeled the Catholic Warrior and when he founded the Jesuits he called them the "warriors for Christ".   The video shows the warrior references in the bible and to Jesuits in particular.  Warriors have a strong association with not only Catholicism, but with Jesuits history in particular.


https://www.youtube.com/v/_4mkJJOEmBw&list=UUMjx6VCvI1pZ69C0yAQt_2g&index=1

[Coleman]

Ok....

[keefe]

Hards had stated "To build on that, I think they would probably shy away from anything with the word "War" in it.  Personally, I love the name Warriors, but I am surprised that a Jesuit University even considered "Warrior" as a nickname because all Jesus preached was peace."

"Hards" may have heard of Loyola, Augustine, and Aquinas but he clearly is not familiar with their works. I am astounded at the hubris of so many.

[EnderWiggen]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscular_Christianity

[Avenue Commons]

Yawn.

[real chili 83]

In before the lock. 

[GGGG]

Surreal.

First, why the hell do you keep dredging up this debate Chicos?  This is the second thread you have started on the topic in a week...and the first one was locked.

Second, the problem with "Warriors" was always the native imagery that was historically used with it.  Not the actually name itself.  That is why your Rainbow Warriors thread was misguided and your video with a bunch of Old Testament quote was too.

Third, MU isn't going to change the name.  Some say they can't change it back.  They won't change it back.

[Jay Bee]

That video went viral? Yeesh, glad cats have come to the rescue.

Nonetheless, excellent points on "Warriors". Maybe we should push for it again... as the last of the "true Warriors" are now nearing 40 years old, we may want to move on it now.

Also, Hards reminds me that some people are something that rhymes with fiberal facko.

[Hards Alumni]

That video went viral? Yeesh, glad cats have come to the rescue.

Nonetheless, excellent points on "Warriors". Maybe we should push for it again... as the last of the "true Warriors" are now nearing 40 years old, we may want to move on it now.

Also, Hards reminds me that some people are something that rhymes with fiberal facko.

I am?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Surreal.

First, why the hell do you keep dredging up this debate Chicos?  This is the second thread you have started on the topic in a week...and the first one was locked.

Second, the problem with "Warriors" was always the native imagery that was historically used with it.  Not the actually name itself.  That is why your Rainbow Warriors thread was misguided and your video with a bunch of Old Testament quote was too.

Third, MU isn't going to change the name.  Some say they can't change it back.  They won't change it back.

I believe the first one was locked because it went into politics

Second, if we started to eliminate threads of things that will never change, then a lot of threads would never happen here.

Third, the problem with Warriors was that people are incapable of being creative

[ChicosBailBonds]

That video went viral? Yeesh, glad cats have come to the rescue.

Nonetheless, excellent points on "Warriors". Maybe we should push for it again... as the last of the "true Warriors" are now nearing 40 years old, we may want to move on it now.

Also, Hards reminds me that some people are something that rhymes with fiberal facko.

As much as videos could go viral back then....having it linked by the Journal Sentinel 8 years ago was kind of cool.  I just thought the comment that the Jesuits and Warriors don't mix to be so completely wrong it needed to be addressed. When the founder of the Jesuits was a Warrior and started the Jesuits with the name "New Warriors for Christ", well a little history lesson was in order.  Happy to help out a fellow MU alum....the Jesuits are all about education.   

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Learned something today. Didn't know Jesuits used to be "manly men"

[GGGG]

I believe the first one was locked because it went into politics

Second, if we started to eliminate threads of things that will never change, then a lot of threads would never happen here.

Third, the problem with Warriors was that people are incapable of being creative

No Chicos...it isn't a creativity problem.  It's an issue that MU may very well have promised not to reinstate it...and even if they could they don't want to. 

And I will also say this, when I see dumbass students on television dressed up in corny native american headresses that say "Warriors" on them, it simply sets everything back further.

[keefe]

That video went viral? Yeesh, glad cats have come to the rescue.

Nonetheless, excellent points on "Warriors". Maybe we should push for it again... as the last of the "true Warriors" are now nearing 40 years old, we may want to move on it now.

Also, Hards reminds me that some people are something that rhymes with fiberal facko.

Does closed minded, self-righteous lunatic fringe rhyme with fiberal facko?

[Jay Bee]

And I will also say this, when I see dumbass students on television dressed up in corny native american headresses that say "Warriors" on them, it simply sets everything back further.

I'm picturing Sultan pissed off, writing a letter to television stations... "your damn broadcasters called Marquette the "Warriors" again! They should stop it at once! This sets the nation back several decades. You oughta be ashamed of yourselves!"

I could handle the "Jesuit Warriors" as a nickname. Jesuit Hilltop Warriors.

[GGGG]

I'm picturing Sultan pissed off, writing a letter to television stations... "your damn broadcasters called Marquette the "Warriors" again! They should stop it at once! This sets the nation back several decades. You oughta be ashamed of yourselves!"

I could handle the "Jesuit Warriors" as a nickname. Jesuit Hilltop Warriors.

Heh...no I actually would love a return to the Warriors.

It's just that when the students use the native imagery, all it does is reinforce in many people's eyes why we had to drop the name.  I meant that it sets the idea of bringing Warriors back further.

[Hards Alumni]

I really don't know what I said that leads you two to believe I'm a liberal wacko.

Keefe, the reason I don't bother arguing with you about your politics is because I prefer to follow the rules around here regarding those topics.  On the other hand, you like to pontificate to an absent audience.  I assure you, I've heard every argument from both sides and I am not going to change my mind because you think you've won an argument in which I wasn't even participating.  So go ahead, call me names; pat yourself on the back.  Its what you're best at, and you sure have earned it.

[ChicosBailBonds]

No Chicos...it isn't a creativity problem.  It's an issue that MU may very well have promised not to reinstate it...and even if they could they don't want to. 

And I will also say this, when I see dumbass students on television dressed up in corny native american headresses that say "Warriors" on them, it simply sets everything back further.

Yes, it is and remains a creativity problem.  Many images for Warriors that are not native American.  Lack of creativity and incredible lack of spine.  Not surprising based on recent studies, especially those that came out a few days ago from Aarhus.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Does closed minded, self-righteous lunatic fringe rhyme with fiberal facko?

I believe you just described yourself

[77ncaachamps]

Many Jesuits in this crowd then..

[keefe]

I really don't know what I said that leads you two to believe I'm a liberal wacko.

Keefe, the reason I don't bother arguing with you about your politics is because I prefer to follow the rules around here regarding those topics.  On the other hand, you like to pontificate to an absent audience.  I assure you, I've heard every argument from both sides and I am not going to change my mind because you think you've won an argument in which I wasn't even participating.  So go ahead, call me names; pat yourself on the back.  Its what you're best at, and you sure have earned it.

My politics are actually pretty neutral. I have voted for both sides of the aisle at all levels. In terms of winning arguments? Please. Much of what I say is tongue in cheek.

You are a liberal, though. Nothing wrong with that. Diversity is our greatest strength.

[WarriorHal]

I think Marquette went from being the Hilltoppers to the Warriors in the early to mid 50s after the Braves moved from Boston to Milwaukee.  It didn't have anything to do with Ignatius Loyola being the Catholic Warrior. It was all about the popularity of the Braves and capitalizing on the "Indian" thing.  

[AlienWarrior]

The problem is that most people are bought and sold clones of political correctness.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Anybody upset about his group being displayed as a proud image of an institution needs to get a life.

[wildbill sb]

I think Marquette went from being the Hilltoppers to the Warriors in the early to mid 50s after the Braves moved from Boston to Milwaukee.  I didn't have anything to do with Ignatius Loyola being the Catholic Warrior. It was all about the popularity of the Braves and capitalizing on the "Indian" thing. 

Bingo!